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RW Evgeny Kuznetsov (2010, 26th overall, Washington)

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08-04-2013, 10:19 AM
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From his interview on going to the NHL

"There’s no money that could keep me in Russia. I could make 30 times less but I’ll feel what it’s like to live in a different country and play against the best players in the world. KHL develops swiftly, but sometimes there are like 800 people in attendance in Sokolniki [Spartak's arena], and there are like 18 thousand at each and every game in the NHL."

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks...or-kovalchuk/"

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08-04-2013, 05:48 PM
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He is better than Nail Yakupov, Mikhail Grigorenko, Vladimir Tarasenko and Valeri Nichuskin.
I think so too. I don't really know who has the highest ceiling of these players, but right now in my estimation Kuznetsov is the best.

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08-04-2013, 06:15 PM
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He's not a lock for Sochi because Coach Bill seems to favour defensive forwards more. It is a travesty to play defensive hockey with the talent he has, because it's not Russia's strong side... He seems to try to cover that weakness by using more defensive-minded players but I think he'd be better off trying to play to his teams strengths.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=677926
Masisak's roster is what should be (except for Mozyakin). Malamud's is what, unfortunately, will be.

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09-04-2013, 03:57 PM
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Evgeni Kuznetsov "Fears Stagnation in Russia"

Washington Prospect Kuznetsov Fears Stagnation in Russia

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If I dont leave, I might stop developing as a player, Kuznetsov said. I still need to learn a lot and I understand that if I dont go there now, then it would be difficult to leave.

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09-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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He needs to poop or get off the pot. I'm so tired of this ballet of "oh I don't want to leave mother Russia but I wants to win Cup Stanoslav"

He should be here in Hershey

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09-04-2013, 04:14 PM
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He needs to poop or get off the pot. I'm so tired of this ballet of "oh I don't want to leave mother Russia but I wants to win Cup Stanoslav"

He should be here in Hershey
What a display of cultural awareness and sensitivity! Don't flatter yourself now.

He's been pretty transparent about it the whole time, in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm really excited to watch him alongside Ovechkin. That's going to be lethal. I really do think he was ready as an 18 year old, so I do indeed expect him to be a well above average top 6 forward immediately.

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09-04-2013, 04:17 PM
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He needs to poop or get off the pot. I'm so tired of this ballet of "oh I don't want to leave mother Russia but I wants to win Cup Stanoslav"

He should be here in Hershey
His career. His life.

Why should he be in Hershey? Ride on a bus or make millions at home?

Kuznetsov has stated time and again he's staying in Russia till after the olympics. Guess what? The Olympics haven't happened yet, thus what has been repeatedly said at ad nauseum cannot be contradicted yet.


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09-04-2013, 04:34 PM
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I read the title and thought "Wow, who knew Kuz was an economist!?".

Although I would fear Putin and the KGB if i was a natural citizen speaking out against "his" economy.

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He needs to poop or get off the pot. I'm so tired of this ballet of "oh I don't want to leave mother Russia but I wants to win Cup Stanoslav"

He should be here in Hershey
Ignorant post. Give me 3 good reasons any sane man would play in Hershey in his situation.

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09-04-2013, 06:28 PM
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His head is too big. He played poorly last playoffs, had a terrible game today, check out the abysmal backcheck on the Babenko goal. He needs to shut his mouth and play hard, quit excusing himself. He can't find the next gear, until he does or wins something in Russia, then he can talk like this. Just get used to his talk though, he is always saying something stupid in the media. Im surprised his agent doesn't try to put a plug in him.

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09-04-2013, 06:46 PM
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He says things to get a reaction like a child. I don't care where he plays, he should shut his mouth and play there instead of holding his KHL team and his NHL team hostage by playing them against one another.

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09-04-2013, 08:31 PM
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Ignorant post. Give me 3 good reasons any sane man would play in Hershey in his situation.
You seriously believe he would be playing in Hershey?

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He says things to get a reaction like a child. I don't care where he plays, he should shut his mouth and play there instead of holding his KHL team and his NHL team hostage by playing them against one another.
I agree. All of the hype is going to his head.

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09-04-2013, 11:13 PM
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He needs to poop or get off the pot. I'm so tired of this ballet of "oh I don't want to leave mother Russia but I wants to win Cup Stanoslav"

He should be here in Hershey
Heh, "Cup Stanoslav." Thanks for the laugh.

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09-05-2013, 01:15 AM
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Whenever I watch Kuznetsov, the thing that blows me away is how effortless it all looks like to him. He's a big man at 6 3", but the way he can change gears is remarkable. Such a good mind for the game too, always seems to be arriving in open ice at the right time to create an offensive opportunity. And then you're right, you sprinkle in elite vision, sublime passing, finishing, and shooting skills...

Honestly, he looks a lot like a young Malkin to me, with a bit of Datsyukian mixed in. Less physical dominance than Geno, better skater, more elusiveness. His skill is at the same level. He's that good.
I see him as more Semin-level than Malkin-level personally, which is still outstanding. Should be a quality top 6 forward the minute he steps on NHL ice.

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09-05-2013, 07:46 AM
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Sounds like the Caps have another dressing-room basket-case on their hands.

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Sounds like the Caps have another dressing-room basket-case on their hands.
other than semin (allegedly) who was the basket-case?

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other than semin (allegedly) who was the basket-case?
"Another" just implies more than one. So he's saying Semin is one and now Kuznetsov.

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09-06-2013, 12:21 AM
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"Another" just implies more than one. So he's saying Semin is one and now Kuznetsov.
well i don't believe semin was a head case. people are continually wrong about him, first people thought he was a defensive liability, than people thought he was a cancer, than he was supposed to go to the khl, and so on.

i said other than semin because i was looking for a legit answer. the only answer that would have been acceptable/ based on nothing is ribeiro but he was only here for half a year and had no problems in DC.

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I see him as more Semin-level than Malkin-level personally, which is still outstanding. Should be a quality top 6 forward the minute he steps on NHL ice.
I wouldn't actually expect a lot from Kuznetsov at the beginning, and this is why I'm not a fan of his idea of coming to the NHL after the KHL season.

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09-06-2013, 08:43 AM
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again with the back and forth with this guy SI.com EVEGENY KUZNETSOV- ID STAY IN THE KHL FOR THE RIGHT CONTRACT... article basically says if the KHL ponies up a 5-7 year deal he'd strongly consider it. LINK- http://nhl.si.com/2013/09/04/evgeny-...sct=nhl_bf2_a5

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Whenever I watch Kuznetsov, the thing that blows me away is how effortless it all looks like to him. He's a big man at 6 3", but the way he can change gears is remarkable. Such a good mind for the game too, always seems to be arriving in open ice at the right time to create an offensive opportunity. And then you're right, you sprinkle in elite vision, sublime passing, finishing, and shooting skills...

Honestly, he looks a lot like a young Malkin to me, with a bit of Datsyukian mixed in. Less physical dominance than Geno, better skater, more elusiveness. His skill is at the same level. He's that good.
At 21, with 4 full years of KHL experience, you can't be comparing him to Malkin when he can't crack PPG or score at even .5PPG in the playoffs. I don't care what he looks like, the results are simply not even in the same tier as Malkin.

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At 21, with 4 full years of KHL experience, you can't be comparing him to Malkin when he can't crack PPG or score at even .5PPG in the playoffs. I don't care what he looks like, the results are simply not even in the same tier as Malkin.


Guess who only had 10 points in 26 games in 2005-06 in the KHL and then went on to have 73 in 77 games in the NHL?

Also looks like we'll be seeing Kuznetsov right after the Olympics. Traktor really sucks.

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Guess who only had 10 points in 26 games in 2005-06 in the KHL and then went on to have 73 in 77 games in the NHL?
Semin? Who is not even in the same tier as Malkin... So...

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At 21, with 4 full years of KHL experience, you can't be comparing him to Malkin when he can't crack PPG or score at even .5PPG in the playoffs. I don't care what he looks like, the results are simply not even in the same tier as Malkin.
The results are there. If you compare Kuznetsov and Malkin's 18, 19, and 20 year old seasons in the KHL you see they are very similar.

Malkin

18 years old- 34 games played, 12 points
19 years old- 52 games played, 32 points
20 years old- 46 games played, 47 points


Kuznetsov

18 years old- 35 games played, 8 points
19 years old- 44 games played, 32 points
20 years old- 49 games played, 41 points

Malkin left as a 21 year old and had an excellent rookie year in the NHL. Kuznetsov has stayed longer but what's to say he won't have a similar impact when he comes to the NHL? I do think Malkin was a better prospect than Kuz but I still think Kuz has elite potential.

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