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09-05-2013, 11:56 AM
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Lets just say that Burke is a hell of a lot better at his job than Lowe...so yes, I think he can do better than Mr 6 rings at acquiring a decent veteran goaltender to help with a rebuild.
And he has done that so many times before, right?

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09-05-2013, 11:57 AM
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Except there's no real basis for this other than the usual Lowe bashing.
History is the basis. Thats pretty real.

Tell me what positive things Lowe has done for this team the past 7 years?

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And he has done that so many times before, right?
Congrats...that would be correct.

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09-05-2013, 11:58 AM
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Then why the hell are Monahan being considered on the Flames.

He sure as hell hasn't arrived.
True enough but I am willing to bet that he becomes an impact player in less then 3 full seasons.

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09-05-2013, 11:59 AM
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Eberle stalled last year when he got fat.
30 goal, 65 point pace - easily outpacing every Flame (including Jarome Iginla) - with a broken finger for a good portion of the season.

Hardly call that stagnation.

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Eberle stalled last year when he got fat.
That's the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while. Thanks for that.

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Congrats...that would be correct.
I don't see any examples. Perhaps you could provide some?

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True enough but I am willing to bet that he becomes an impact player in less then 3 full seasons.
People would have and did say the same as Paajarvi. Eberle actually did.

Your criteria is lopsided.

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09-05-2013, 12:00 PM
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None of these players (excpet maybe Dubnyk) is a legit NHL player.

Just goes to show how bare the cupboards were for the Oilers back then.

Calgary is in a much better position now.




Agree on that but I think they will get it done about 3 years quicker in their rebuild than than it takes the Oilers to complete their rebuild.
How is CGY in better position they are banking on all prospects. You also say Monahan is 3 year from impact and went back to 2010 for Reinhart, so it's not like CGY rebuild is a whole lot faster.

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09-05-2013, 12:02 PM
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How is CGY in better position they are banking on all prospects. You also say Monahan is 3 year from impact and went back to 2010 for Reinhart, so it's not like CGY rebuild is a whole lot faster.
While conveniently ignoring the two first round picks the Oilers made preceding their rebuild.

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I don't see any examples. Perhaps you could provide some?
You are just as capable of looking up what Burke has done...the Leafs and the Canucks are 2 examples.

The Leafs are a pretty good team and thats entirely due to what Burke accomplished there. Burkes impact on making the Canucks roster into a contender is pretty obvious.

I will ask it again...what has Lowe done the last 7 years with this team?

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09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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While conveniently ignoring the two first round picks the Oilers made preceding their rebuild.
It's funny we can't start our rebuild the tdd before we drafted Hall, but CGY gets to start this off-season for some reason.

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09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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Eberle stalled last year when he got fat.
Was that after he played most of the season with a broken finger that made it almost impossible to hold a stick?

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How is CGY in better position they are banking on all prospects. You also say Monahan is 3 year from impact and went back to 2010 for Reinhart, so it's not like CGY rebuild is a whole lot faster.
I am not saying that Monahan is 3 years away from impact. I said that he will be an impact player within 3 years.

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I am not saying that Monahan is 3 years away from impact. I said that he will be an impact player within 3 years.
Ah so longer than the players that we drafted when we started the rebuild.

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09-05-2013, 12:07 PM
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Calgary's ascent will expose Lowe's rebuild as sheer incompetence. Oiler fans looking for a lottery pick for Calgary will be disappointed. Their supporting cast is quite good, and if Ramo doesn't bust, they won't be in our rear view for long.
Burke was general manager of the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS for the last FIVE YEARS. Where his accomplishments have been greatly exaggerated and made more than a few questionable moves.

FIVE YEARS AND ZERO PLAYOFF APPEARANCES.

They squeek into the playoffs last year, in a short season, with some serious over achieving.

People are giving this move far more credit than it deserves.

I would say the flames are in slightly better shape than Toronto was 6 years ago but Calgary's predicted dead last place finish this year and potentially for the next few years isn't going to change much just cause they got Brain Burke.

The flames have not made the playoffs for the last four years. Just judging on their roster and prospects I would easily say they have a minimum of another 4 years without a playoff appearance. Even with Burke. I would think 5 years is much more likely.

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It's funny we can't start our rebuild the tdd before we drafted Hall, but CGY gets to start this off-season for some reason.
Whats funny is that after failing Oiler management decided to publically announce that they were rebuilding (after they failed at putting together a competitive team) right around the time they looked to be drafting 1st overall.

Calgary sold most of its veteran players last season which made it clear (based on their actions) that they were rebuilding. No public announcement before the fact. So yes Calgary is rebuilding starting this year.

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09-05-2013, 12:08 PM
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Ah so longer than the players that we drafted when we started the rebuild.
Huh?

The Oilers have been rebuilding for how long now?

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Whats funny is that after failing Oiler management decided to publically announce that they were rebuilding (after they failed at putting together a competitive team) right around the time they looked to be drafting 1st overall.

Calgary sold most of its veteran players last season which made it clear (based on their actions) that they were rebuilding. No public announcement before the fact. So yes Calgary is rebuilding starting this year.
And ours started with Hall, or guys made an impact quicker than you are projected the Flames guys. So how are the Flames going to cut the rebuild down so much?

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09-05-2013, 12:10 PM
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You are just as capable of looking up what Burke has done...the Leafs and the Canucks are 2 examples.

The Leafs are a pretty good team and thats entirely due to what Burke accomplished there. Burkes impact on making the Canucks roster into a contender is pretty obvious.

I will ask it again...what has Lowe done the last 7 years with this team?
You are dodging the question. What decent veteran goalies has Burke acquired for any of the past teams he was employed by? And if khabibulin is so bad, why did Chicago pick him up?

Lowe isn't the greatest but Burke hasn't had a team make the playoffs while he was still employed by them in a number of years. It took 3 years for the leafs to make the playoffs in a hopelessly incompetent eastern conference.

But suddenly he's going to turn the flames around super quickly with exactly one stud prospect.

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09-05-2013, 12:11 PM
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Whats funny is that after failing Oiler management decided to publically announce that they were rebuilding (after they failed at putting together a competitive team) right around the time they looked to be drafting 1st overall.

Calgary sold most of its veteran players last season which made it clear (based on their actions) that they were rebuilding. No public announcement before the fact. So yes Calgary is rebuilding starting this year.
Instead Feaster decided to go on the radio and blast the Oilers and announce he would never be part of a rebuild.

If we're counting 2007-2009 as rebuilding years for the Oilers (they're not), then count 2010-2013 for Calgary. Just because a team missed the playoffs doesn't mean they are rebuilding. Look at 2006-07, 2007-08, 2008-09, and even half of the 2009-10 season and find any moves the Oilers made that were done with a rebuild in mind.


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And ours started with Hall, or guys made an impact quicker than you are projected the Flames guys. So how are the Flames going to cut the rebuild down so much?
The Oilers havent been anywhere close to the playoffs since Hall and company played their first games.

I think thats in large part due to the incompetence of Oiler management because the roster has been so imbalanced.

I think the Flames will do better than that with Burke on their Management team.

Time will tell.

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You are dodging the question. What decent veteran goalies has Burke acquired for any of the past teams he was employed by? And if khabibulin is so bad, why did Chicago pick him up?
This is pretty interesting.

Because Vancouver and Toronto both suffered through their Burke years with that hole in goal from the time of his hiring to the time of his firing.

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Huh?

The Oilers have been rebuilding for how long now?
According to you when we drafted Hall.

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09-05-2013, 12:13 PM
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The Oilers havent been anywhere close to the playoffs since Hall and company played their first games.
The point isn't how long is the Oilers rebuild taking, it's how on earth you could justify how much shorter the Flames rebuild will be given what's there. Monahan is not and likely never will be Taylor Hall. In terms of timeline comparison, he would be their Magnus Paajarvi pick, no?

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I think thats in large part due to the incompetence of Oiler management because the roster has been so imbalanced.

I think the Flames will do better than that with Burke on their Management team.

Time will tell.
Burke has managed one balanced team in his entire tenure. It lasted two seasons, if that.

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