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09-05-2013, 06:08 PM
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Still, the solution is not Mashinter and Asham.
I think the solution is Jamal Mayers.

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09-05-2013, 06:13 PM
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Then a good idea would be to get better, not tougher.
The Bruins were clearly not as good as the Hawks at the skill side of hockey, but they showed a way you can beat a team that is more skilled than you is to out physical them. Out tough them. And that sort of a thing is a lot easier to address than the skill side of things. We're not about to fall ass backwards into a decade of top five picks like a lot of the top skill teams today did.

Edit: Obviously the Bruins didn't win, but you play out that series 100 times I can't imagine anyone would say the Bruins lose every single time.

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09-05-2013, 06:16 PM
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No other fanbase in the NHL is as obsessed with "toughness" as ours is.

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09-05-2013, 06:16 PM
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If the team lacked shot blockers, or puck possession, or speed, these are all things that would be considered relevant and addressable on a specific level in adding to the roster. A team can be strong in some areas and need improvement in others.

Consequently, I'm not certain why addressing team toughness is always considered tantamount to weakening the overall ability of the roster.

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09-05-2013, 06:25 PM
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Edit: Obviously the Bruins didn't win, but you play out that series 100 times I can't imagine anyone would say the Bruins lose every single time.
No, but I think both teams would be very tired by the end.

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If the team lacked shot blockers, or puck possession, or speed, these are all things that would be considered relevant and addressable on a specific level in adding to the roster. A team can be strong in some areas and need improvement in others.

Consequently, I'm not certain why addressing team toughness is always considered tantamount to weakening the overall ability of the roster.
I just think it's the last thing any team should be targeting. Shot blocking, puck possession and skating are attributes that contribute to winning.

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09-05-2013, 06:25 PM
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09-05-2013, 06:29 PM
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I just think it's the last thing any team should be targeting.
I think having a bottom 6 including Dubinsky, Boyle, Prust, Fedotenko, and Rupp had at least some impact to the success of the 2011-2012 roster. I'm not talking about goons, but what would be considered blue-collar players with the mix of forechecking, hard hitting, and board play.

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09-05-2013, 06:43 PM
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Edit: Obviously the Bruins didn't win, but you play out that series 100 times I can't imagine anyone would say the Bruins lose every single time.
I'd probably say the Hartford Wolfpack wouldnt lose 100 straight times.

Boston is pretty damn skilled.

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09-05-2013, 07:16 PM
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I think having a bottom 6 including Dubinsky, Boyle, Prust, Fedotenko, and Rupp had at least some impact to the success of the 2011-2012 roster. I'm not talking about goons, but what would be considered blue-collar players with the mix of forechecking, hard hitting, and board play.
Agree. The best teams have a good mix of different elements. As far as talent goes we're not going to match the Penguins. The Rangers need talent to be good but to beat a team like the Penguins they're going to have to have an edge in other areas besides overall talent. That is basically what the Bruins have done. Take the Pens two top centers Malkin and Crosby and match them against Krejci and Bergeron--there's no contest--and still the Bruins destroyed them in the playoffs--worse than what they did to us. Rangers top 2 centers are not as developed as the two Bruins but they're comparable players.

I like what we've done in the off season. We addressed the depth issue. We have a number of younger players who should be good players on the cusp as well. Size on the wing and toughness are two issues that other teams can exploit us with and they will if it works. Teams that are tougher do realize they are tougher and will use it whenever and however possible because it can give them an edge--that is the nature of competitive sport--you exploit when you have an edge.

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09-05-2013, 07:37 PM
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Boston is pretty damn skilled.
Agreed. I think their "toughness" factor is overrated. I'd say that them having a ton of size both up front and on the back end is what automatically makes people consider the Bruins so "tough". Their truly nasty players include Lucic, Thornton, and McQuaid. Chara is big and tough but I never thought of him as a bully like a Lucic/Thornton/McQuaid.

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09-05-2013, 07:42 PM
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I do wonder if we will see Powe in the conversation for the lineup at all this season.

He brought good energy and pking at times, but it's hard to keep your job as a forward with a big goose egg in points over 42 games.

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09-05-2013, 08:01 PM
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Too bad the Hawks are twice as good as we are!
Must be because of that toughness Carcillo gave to their lineup...o wait

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Kreider is a beast.

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I do wonder if we will see Powe in the conversation for the lineup at all this season.

He brought good energy and pking at times, but it's hard to keep your job as a forward with a big goose egg in points over 42 games.
Doubt it, I can't think of the last Ranger whose hands were as terrible as his.

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Doubt it, I can't think of the last Ranger whose hands were as terrible as his.
I'd rather kept Rupp. Both players stink.

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09-05-2013, 08:57 PM
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I think the solution is Jamal Mayers.
Imagine if Sather offers him a tryout. He is an upgrade over Powe.

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09-05-2013, 09:14 PM
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I brought this up earlier in the off-season. The team lacks bite and the ability to either change momentum or stand up for themselves with a fight. Dorsett better be ready because he is going to be challenged almost every night because teams know he is alone.

Fighting unto itself is useless. The Orr's and Scott's of the league are sideshows at this point and a waste of a roster spot. However, fighting and intimidation is going to be a factor in this sport for a long time and this team lacks that ability.

But I will most likely be ostracized for my thoughts because it can't be backed up by stats. It's unfortunate because I do consider my thoughts to a level-headed approach.

I would love if the Rangers could add a Clutterbuck or Neil or Nystrom. They need another middle weight at the least IMO.

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09-05-2013, 09:31 PM
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I brought this up earlier in the off-season. The team lacks bite and the ability to either change momentum or stand up for themselves with a fight. Dorsett better be ready because he is going to be challenged almost every night because teams know he is alone.

Fighting unto itself is useless. The Orr's and Scott's of the league are sideshows at this point and a waste of a roster spot. However, fighting and intimidation is going to be a factor in this sport for a long time and this team lacks that ability.

But I will most likely be ostracized for my thoughts because it can't be backed up by stats. It's unfortunate because I do consider my thoughts to a level-headed approach.

I would love if the Rangers could add a Clutterbuck or Neil or Nystrom. They need another middle weight at the least IMO.
Clutterbuck isn't much of a fighter. He ia a big hitter/ agitator. Was pissed when he got dealt to Islanders.

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09-05-2013, 10:06 PM
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Pyatt for Chimera would be a dream deal, or Pyatt for any winger with a bit more physicality to his game.

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09-05-2013, 10:27 PM
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And before I'm called DINO or goon lover I love our D but just wish I had more snarl and McIlrath goes a long way to fixing that.When things get nasty around Hank after the whistle this group is only good for a shove or dirty look.Hank has been on his own for years and that sucks
totally agree. and a goon doesnt fix this. it's just overall team toughness top to bottom. they need to stick up for henrik. he is the crown jewels. they can establish this early in the season.

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Still, the solution is not Mashinter and Asham.
I couldn't agree more!

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09-05-2013, 10:35 PM
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I'd probably say the Hartford Wolfpack wouldnt lose 100 straight times.

Boston is pretty damn skilled.
Exactly. I think some people are missing the point regarding the "toughness issue.". It's really more about big bodied, skilled players who win board battles, take up space and create legit screens in front of goalies.

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09-05-2013, 10:46 PM
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Someone should unleash a teenage bear on Pyatt to get that side out of him. If Kreider, Nash, Pyatt, Boyle could just do 25% more with their size, it would resolve this eeshew.

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Someone should unleash a teenage bear on Pyatt to get that side out of him. If Kreider, Nash, Pyatt, Boyle could just do 25% more with their size, it would resolve this eeshew.

It's either in you or it isn't. A leopard can't change it's spots; apply that logic to the above 4 players.

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Pyatt for Chimera would be a dream deal, or Pyatt for any winger with a bit more physicality to his game.
Damn right it'd be, but why would WSH do that?

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Someone should unleash a teenage bear on Pyatt to get that side out of him. If Kreider, Nash, Pyatt, Boyle could just do 25% more with their size, it would resolve this eeshew.
The bear would just get lost in his eyes.

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