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09-06-2013, 12:13 PM
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Weird. I have an older Samsung plasma that I've been watching hockey on for years and I've never had an issue.

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So the important thing to check before buying a TV is whether ABL or CATS can be turned off?
Well the important thing to check is if the plasma that you are interested in even has the FBr issue at all. And if so if there is a solution. As you can see from the responses below there are many plasma's that do not have the issue.
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I have a 48' samsung plasma and have had NO issues with watching HD games.
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As mentioned in a previous post, I have a Samsung Plasma and I do not experience anything similar to what is shown in both of those toutube clips.

I feel bad for you guys. That would kill my watching experience.
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Weird. I have an older Samsung plasma that I've been watching hockey on for years and I've never had an issue.
Yes, there are many plasmas, especially older ones without all the new ambient light processing that do not get FBr. Or their owners are smart enough not to watch on "standard" settings and use custom ones. The plasma buyer these days is usually an informed purchaser as the market is really a niche market these days.

I would say anyone in the market for a new tv should do some research before they buy one regardless of it's Plasma or LCD.


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09-06-2013, 05:34 PM
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I have a LED Samsung 46U7000 I picked up two years ago and the picture was beautiful. Really enjoyed the motion as well as the color. However I just had problems with green lines vertical on my screen. Called Samsung and they replaced the panel a week ago. I was watching TV Monday morning and 5 minutes into my show the TV went white (like seeing white light when you die in the movies). They are sending the repair guy again to my house tomorrow. I was so fed up my wife said why don't we look at the Labor Day sales at Best Buy. My wife talked me into going from Samsung 55" 7000 series to Samsung 60" 7500 and then to my new baby Samsung 60" 8000 series. I was watching highlights from my DVR last night from the playoffs and it was just beautiful. Plasma are nice but there is pixilation that burns out. They are a little bigger and heavier (not that much). But if you buy an LED then you want a higher end model. The LED 4K (9000 Samsung series) blow plasma out of the water. The TV is by far one if not the top TV out. But it is also over $4000.

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09-06-2013, 10:55 PM
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As mentioned in a previous post, I have a Samsung Plasma and I do not experience anything similar to what is shown in both of those toutube clips.

I feel bad for you guys. That would kill my watching experience.
What settings are you using on your Plasma?

I've definitely turned off all Eco-settings and use Movie mode, but it still happens..

Maybe your settings can help?

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09-07-2013, 03:39 AM
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Panasonic Plasma. Refresh Rate is a factor when watching sports, especially hockey. If you have an LCD TV, the refresh rate is almost definitely less than that of a Plasma, so the puck will be blurry when moving at high speeds.
I watch hockey games on my 32 inch Samsung LCD and they look great. Granted, they look better on my 56 inch Panasonic Viera (not sure if it's plasma or LCD/LED) but IMO it's only because the TV is bigger. I love my 32 inch.

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I watch hockey games on my 32 inch Samsung LCD and they look great. Granted, they look better on my 56 inch Panasonic Viera (not sure if it's plasma or LCD/LED) but IMO it's only because the TV is bigger. I love my 32 inch.
I have a 32 inch Sharp LCD and I've watched hockey on it before. The quality is nice, but I've noticed that the puck can be slightly blurry when watching at high speeds. If your Panasonic is a Plasma, the reason why the quality is better is because the refresh rate is higher and Plasma TVs just have better overall quality than LCDs. LEDs, on the other hand, are beautiful but I don't have one and I've never compared them.

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Anything Vizio.

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My 42 inch Panasonic Viera, which I've had since 2008, is amazing. Love it for hockey and have had no issues with brightness, white lines or anything.

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I have a 32 inch Sharp LCD and I've watched hockey on it before. The quality is nice, but I've noticed that the puck can be slightly blurry when watching at high speeds. If your Panasonic is a Plasma, the reason why the quality is better is because the refresh rate is higher and Plasma TVs just have better overall quality than LCDs. LEDs, on the other hand, are beautiful but I don't have one and I've never compared them.
Yeah luckily no blurriness here. And I'm not sure what my big TV is.... could be a plasma but for some reason I don't think it is.

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Yeah luckily no blurriness here. And I'm not sure what my big TV is.... could be a plasma but for some reason I don't think it is.
Are you sure the Samsung is an LCD? Maybe it's an LED? Or maybe the refresh rates and overall quality have just gotten better over time. My LCD is quite old compared to today's TVs.

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Anything Vizio.
Funny, a lot of people hate Vizio. Personally I got a 47" 1080p LCD a few years ago for around $550. It's served me nicely, have a young daughter who inevitably gets hand marks on the screen which is why I didn't want to get anything too expensive.

Otherwise I watch a lot of games on the PC and overall the quality is exceptional with GCL, or through the PS3, and occasionally I'll hook the PC up to the TV and watch a VLC stream.

One tip at least something that works for me is to remain oblivious to certain aspects of tv viewing, do your research, but don't go overboard because you'll start worrying about things that had you not known about them wouldn't really affect your viewing.

I think I am starting to get some backlight bleed, but it isn't very obvious and won't bug me too much, the next tv will probably be a little more elaborate.

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Yeah luckily no blurriness here. And I'm not sure what my big TV is.... could be a plasma but for some reason I don't think it is.
Most plasmas will have a glossy hard panel while LCD's are duller.

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Funny, a lot of people hate Vizio. Personally I got a 47" 1080p LCD a few years ago for around $550. It's served me nicely, have a young daughter who inevitably gets hand marks on the screen which is why I didn't want to get anything too expensive.

Otherwise I watch a lot of games on the PC and overall the quality is exceptional with GCL, or through the PS3, and occasionally I'll hook the PC up to the TV and watch a VLC stream.

One tip at least something that works for me is to remain oblivious to certain aspects of tv viewing, do your research, but don't go overboard because you'll start worrying about things that had you not known about them wouldn't really affect your viewing.

I think I am starting to get some backlight bleed, but it isn't very obvious and won't bug me too much, the next tv will probably be a little more elaborate.
I only buy Vizio at this point. They're middle of the market price range, but their TVs hold up so well. I have one from 2006, 1080i 32" that's still great. I have a more recent 1080p 32" lcd from 2009 that's still serving me well. Play video games on it every day

My brother has a 26" from about 4 years ago still holding up. In our kitchen, we have a 22" that's taken a beating over the years we've had it, and is still chugging along.

I have nothing but great things to say about Vizio. I can't wait to make some money and buy one of their laptops

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I would say anyone in the market for a new tv should do some research before they buy one regardless of it's Plasma or LCD.
That's why it took so long for me to buy one. I purposely did not buy a newly introduced model. I'm not sure if this is still done but usually they bring out the new models for Christmas. I waited until about June and then went onto Amazon and read the reviews to see which models were having problems. And a lot of them were. Sony had just introduced Bravia. I was leaning towards that because at that time Sony was still a much more reliable brand name than Samsung. But the early Bravia's were a disaster and the comparable Samsung model had an overwhelmingly positive response and it's been great. Because that worked out so well I now read Amazon reviews for all prospective appliance and electronic purchases and if possible delay purchases of models I'm interested in until there are enough reviews to judge.

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Ill throw in my vote for a Samsung LED

I hate how they calibrate them in stores and how they come out of the box, but if you tone down the ridiculous backlight and take some time to dial in the settings it's pretty awesome.

I couldn't be happier with mine

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I only buy Vizio at this point. They're middle of the market price range, but their TVs hold up so well. I have one from 2006, 1080i 32" that's still great. I have a more recent 1080p 32" lcd from 2009 that's still serving me well. Play video games on it every day

My brother has a 26" from about 4 years ago still holding up. In our kitchen, we have a 22" that's taken a beating over the years we've had it, and is still chugging along.

I have nothing but great things to say about Vizio. I can't wait to make some money and buy one of their laptops
I've always had good luck with off brands, Vizio is bigger now but still not huge. I have a Hannspree monitor that has been excellent. The thing with LCD products is that for the most part the panels come off the same assembly line.

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Interesting article on LCD TV refresh rates, introducing the "Soap Opera Effect". Essentially, higher refresh rate LCD TVs have an effect that smooths the video by inserting additional frames. This feature can be turned off:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...-opera-effect/

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This motion "whatever" was ostensibly developed to help decrease apparent motion blur on LCDs. All LCD TVs have difficulty with motion resolution. Which is to say, any object onscreen that's in motion will be less detailed (slightly blurry) compared with that same object when stationary. High-refresh-rate LCDs (120Hz and 240Hz) were developed to combat this problem. Check out "What is refresh rate" for a more in-depth description of this. The short version: in order for high-refresh-rate TVs to be most effective, they need new, real frames to insert in-between the original frames.

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Up until recently SOE has been an LCD-only "issue." In the effort to make plasmas more competitive in a retail store, motion smoothing circuitry has found its way into plasmas. Because plasma TVs don't suffer from the motion blur problems that LCDs have (or at least, not to the extent), motion smoothing is largely superfluous. For that matter, plasmas aren't increasing their refresh rates to insert new frames, so all that's really happening is the TV is creating new frames to insert in-between the film frames, just to make the motion smoother.

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I bought a 52" Samsung LCD about 4 or 5 years ago. I got it strictly for MSG HG and my video game consoles. I paid $2500 for it and was so happy I finally had one...then 6 months later, comparable TV's were selling for almost half price. GRRRRR

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Interesting article on LCD TV refresh rates, introducing the "Soap Opera Effect". Essentially, higher refresh rate LCD TVs have an effect that smooths the video by inserting additional frames. This feature can be turned off:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...-opera-effect/
I'm kind of an ass and tech elitist to friends. If I come over your place to watch the game or a movie or show and I notice you have "auto motion plus, aquomotion, smooth motion, trumotion, clearframe, clearscan" or whatever else they call the setting, I immediately ask them to turn it off. If they argue how much better it looks with it on I leave. Same thing goes for dynamic/vivid setting watchers (usually SOE and dynamic viewers go hand in hand).

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I'm kind of an ass and tech elitist to friends. If I come over your place to watch the game or a movie or show and I notice you have "auto motion plus, aquomotion, smooth motion, trumotion, clearframe, clearscan" or whatever else they call the setting, I immediately ask them to turn it off. If they argue how much better it looks with it on I leave. Same thing goes for dynamic/vivid setting watchers (usually SOE and dynamic viewers go hand in hand).
You leave? I get that it's often hard for those of us who feel our display is better than everyone else's (we know) to enjoy watching outside of our own home. But you definitely take the cake. I'm sure they say great things about you after you walk out. lol

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You leave? I get that it's often hard for those of us who feel our display is better than everyone else's (we know) to enjoy watching outside of our own home. But you definitely take the cake. I'm sure they say great things about you after you walk out. lol
Like I said i'm an a-hole. But I was exaggerating a bit. Most of my friends are techy too, so it's only happened a few times and it's more like an empty threat of leaving, and i'll just shake my head pout and head to the kitchen to grab a drink. And then be "that guy" who forces his will and makes everything a teaching moment. Like I said I know i'm an a-hole so I fully expect them to say **** about my incessant need to have everyone else watch tv "properly."

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I'm kind of an ass and tech elitist to friends. If I come over your place to watch the game or a movie or show and I notice you have "auto motion plus, aquomotion, smooth motion, trumotion, clearframe, clearscan" or whatever else they call the setting, I immediately ask them to turn it off. If they argue how much better it looks with it on I leave. Same thing goes for dynamic/vivid setting watchers (usually SOE and dynamic viewers go hand in hand).
I never knew what the name of the effect was called, but I've noticed it on different TVs before. Personally, I hate it. Same thing with the randomly adjusting brightness. Annoys the hell out of me. It seems like a quirky workaround to smooth motion on LCD TVs.

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Bummer to hear this because in my experience, when it comes to watching fast action and sports (especially hockey) plasma can't be topped. There are advantages/disadvantages with both plasma and LED, but for watching fast action, the 600hz refresh rate is the way to go.

Trey upgrading firmware maybe?

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And I also highly recommend using a calibration kit to get the right picture. If not, I'd stick with the cinema modes.

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