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09-09-2013, 02:43 PM
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Oilers don't have room for Coburns cap hit now either.

If Philly wants to move cap hit out, they can't take cap hit back. Coburn is not happening.
N.Schultz to Ottawa would sure as hell help. Sounds like OTT could be looking for a vet, as per conversation on Lowetide's show with guy out of Ottawa.

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09-09-2013, 02:45 PM
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N.Schultz to Ottawa would sure as hell help. Sounds like OTT could be looking for a vet, as per conversation on Lowetide's show with guy out of Ottawa.
Or maybe Ottawa just goes straight to the source and gets Coburn ?

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still rumblings about Flyers bringing in Dan Cleary on PTO, but now the rumblings say they may sign him. doesnt make sense to me

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Cleary will give you 15/18 goals and Cup experience vet. But a trade to lose salary has to happen and a young player will lose ice time

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again, what i am hearing is that flyers were talking about 1-2 yr deal w/Cleary which advances from a PTO

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Three years for Cleary (34) really cuts into some young player getting shafted. That would be a bad deal for the Flyers

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Or maybe Ottawa just goes straight to the source and gets Coburn ?
Coburn might be too much salary to take on for them and their internal cap.

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Lol, now STL wants Barker.

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I get the impression Holmgren just goes out and makes deals ...

... and worries about the consequences later.

There's probably some bean-counter in the Flyers' head office pulling his hair out as we speak.

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09-09-2013, 02:53 PM
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I get the impression Holmgren just goes out and makes deals ...

... and worries about the consequences later.

There's probably some bean-counter in the Flyers' head office pulling his hair out as we speak.
Holmgren is still operating like there is some sort of loophole to hide players in the AHL.

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Early yet... but does anyone (besides certain people who made their opiinion known early) think Marc Roy could make the team this years... I mean he pretty much is Lander today... but is three years younger more skilled and maybe even better two way

Cannot think of better way to break the kid in than to give him Smyth Jones as teachers on fourth line...

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Easy minutes... give him PP time where I think he would do good... especially with RNH out a bit early... and let him learn... better I think than 100 points in the Q... 20-25 points in NHL at this age improving his skills against big league guys... could be huge for him

(or maybe he is really suited for ECHL)

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Holmgren is still operating like there is some sort of loophole to hide players in the AHL.
Hey he signed Pronger thinking the 35 over rule did not apply... he is pretty much the most clueless GM... well except for that guy down south who could have lost picks on a guy who would have went on waivers anyway...

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With Philly, do they get some salary relief with Pronger being a long-term injured player?

If insurance covers his salary, it's possible that his salary won't work against the cap. I'm not sure how it works right now after the new CBA

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Early yet... but does anyone (besides certain people who made their opiinion known early) think Marc Roy could make the team this years... I mean he pretty much is Lander today... but is three years younger more skilled and maybe even better two way

Cannot think of better way to break the kid in than to give him Smyth Jones as teachers on fourth line...

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Smyth-Roy-Jones

Easy minutes... give him PP time where I think he would do good... especially with RNH out a bit early... and let him learn... better I think than 100 points in the Q... 20-25 points in NHL at this age improving his skills against big league guys... could be huge for him

(or maybe he is really suited for ECHL)
Not a chance.

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Early yet... but does anyone (besides certain people who made their opiinion known early) think Marc Roy could make the team this years... I mean he pretty much is Lander today... but is three years younger more skilled and maybe even better two way

Cannot think of better way to break the kid in than to give him Smyth Jones as teachers on fourth line...

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Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
?-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Roy-Jones

Easy minutes... give him PP time where I think he would do good... especially with RNH out a bit early... and let him learn... better I think than 100 points in the Q... 20-25 points in NHL at this age improving his skills against big league guys... could be huge for him

(or maybe he is really suited for ECHL)
Oh heck no that would be a great way to wreck our only prospect that has offensive top 6 potential in the future.

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Early yet... but does anyone (besides certain people who made their opiinion known early) think Marc Roy could make the team this years... I mean he pretty much is Lander today... but is three years younger more skilled and maybe even better two way

Cannot think of better way to break the kid in than to give him Smyth Jones as teachers on fourth line...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
?-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Roy-Jones

Easy minutes... give him PP time where I think he would do good... especially with RNH out a bit early... and let him learn... better I think than 100 points in the Q... 20-25 points in NHL at this age improving his skills against big league guys... could be huge for him

(or maybe he is really suited for ECHL)
At best and this is even a stretch he gets a couple games while RNH is out, but I suspect he is back to the Q early so he can be with his team. Looking good in a tourney like the Penticton one means nothing.
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Hey he signed Pronger thinking the 35 over rule did not apply... he is pretty much the most clueless GM... well except for that guy down south who could have lost picks on a guy who would have went on waivers anyway...
That is true.

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With Philly, do they get some salary relief with Pronger being a long-term injured player?

If insurance covers his salary, it's possible that his salary won't work against the cap. I'm not sure how it works right now after the new CBA
If they are at the max cap, then they are allowed to go over the cap by the amount of Pronger's salary.

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Roy isn't anything spectacular. He's a skilled, speedy forward from the Q. there are many players who can score near-ppg and will never be NHL players. He is far away from getting serious consideration.

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Roy has about a .00001% chance of making the oilers imo.

When is the last time a 2nd rounder in his draft year made the roster for the Oilers?

Lander, Arcobello, Acton, Miller are all ahead of Roy on the C depth chart currently and I'd even guess someone like Pitlick (although very unlikely he'll see any time either) would get a cup of coffee before Roy would. I doubt Roy signs a contract before next season. He'll have another year in the Q and then the Oilers will have an even better idea how he's developing.

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Ralphs new position in the organization. I bet they regress too.


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Ralphs new position in the organization. I bet they regress too.

They are quite bad already, I don't really understand the point of having them. Sure they are decent to look at sometimes, but once they start dancing the pit stains come out in full force.

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Roy has about a .00001% chance of making the oilers imo.

When is the last time a 2nd rounder in his draft year made the roster for the Oilers?

Lander, Arcobello, Acton, Miller are all ahead of Roy on the C depth chart currently and I'd even guess someone like Pitlick (although very unlikely he'll see any time either) would get a cup of coffee before Roy would. I doubt Roy signs a contract before next season. He'll have another year in the Q and then the Oilers will have an even better idea how he's developing.
Patrice Bergeron, PK Subban, and Andrew Shaw was like a 5th rounder that did that(order player though)

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There are several teams with too many bodies on their rosters (over the 23 max) so it will be interesting to see who ends up on waivers.

Oilers have the 7th picking spot on the waiver wire so the potential is there to possibly pick up a "semi-decent" forward that's discarded by a team with a lot of depth. Of course the Oilers already have a lot of bodies of their own on D and on LW/RW so they'll be playing the waiver game themselves.

Should be interesting seeing teams alter their lineups with PTO contracts and rookies making the teams over the next 3 weeks... plus several teams having to make minor moves to all become cap compliant.

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Ralphs new position in the organization. I bet they regress too.

They are all thinking "Who cares? I'm a F***ING CHEERLEADER!" Then you get the odd one saying "What's hockey?" while curling their hair with their finger...

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By not inviting a forward to training camp, the Oilers are saying

1) We are fine without RNH for a month

2) We don't need anymore forward competition

3) We have internal options that can fill roles

I don't agree with any of those really

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Patrice Bergeron, PK Subban, and Andrew Shaw was like a 5th rounder that did that(order player though)
PK Subban was drafted in 2007 and only played 2 regular season games in 09/10.

Bergeron is a good example as he played a full season right after he was drafted (of course he's not an Oiler either which was my original comment. ).

Shaw was drafted in 2011 and played 37 NHL games in his draft year BUT he was also 20 years old at the time as well and played in the AHL that season also.

Roy is still just 18 and I highly, highly doubt he jumps from the 2nd round of this draft immediately onto the Oilers. I guess he could be the 2nd coming of Bergeron... but I doubt it.

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Early yet... but does anyone (besides certain people who made their opiinion known early) think Marc Roy could make the team this years... I mean he pretty much is Lander today... but is three years younger more skilled and maybe even better two way

Cannot think of better way to break the kid in than to give him Smyth Jones as teachers on fourth line...

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Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
?-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Roy-Jones

Easy minutes... give him PP time where I think he would do good... especially with RNH out a bit early... and let him learn... better I think than 100 points in the Q... 20-25 points in NHL at this age improving his skills against big league guys... could be huge for him

(or maybe he is really suited for ECHL)
Right now, I'm just hoping they invite him to main camp. Give him a good look and then send him back to the Q. Seems like his coach there is doing a great job with him.

K-Lowe can then pull some strings and get him invited to the Canadian Junior Camp. That would be the best thing for him.

Lander is going to get his shot this year, and rightfully so.

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There are several teams with too many bodies on their rosters (over the 23 max) so it will be interesting to see who ends up on waivers.

Oilers have the 7th picking spot on the waiver wire so the potential is there to possibly pick up a "semi-decent" forward that's discarded by a team with a lot of depth. Of course the Oilers already have a lot of bodies of their own on D and on LW/RW so they'll be playing the waiver game themselves.

Should be interesting seeing teams alter their lineups with PTO contracts and rookies making the teams over the next 3 weeks... plus several teams having to make minor moves to all become cap compliant.
I have a feeling CGY is going to end up taking guys that we might want.

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By not inviting a forward to training camp, the Oilers are saying

1) We are fine without RNH for a month

2) We don't need anymore forward competition

3) We have internal options that can fill roles

I don't agree with any of those really
Or what has been said by MacT, a lot of guys don't want to sign PTO's.

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Has a winger transitioning to Center like... ever worked out well?

Honest question. I cant think of any off the top of my head.

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