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09-04-2013, 08:40 AM
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http://http://prohockeytalk.nbcsport...g-bridge-deal/

What do you guys think? Problem here or just posturing?

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09-04-2013, 09:10 AM
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http://http://prohockeytalk.nbcsport...g-bridge-deal/

What do you guys think? Problem here or just posturing?
We have discussed this in the other thread all summer. The McKenzie tweet was just confirming stuff already reported. Stepan will have to accept a bridge contract. If you look at the Rangers contracts,they go with a 2 year deal almost every time with McDonagh and Staal being the exceptions. Stepan has no arb rights and the NYR don't have the space to give Stepan almost $5M in a $64.3M cap. Stepan said he expects to be in camp when it opens. The Rangers and Blues like the 2 year bridge contract for players exiting entry level. When the cap is $75M in two years,Stepan will get his big $$$

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2 Days until camp, I guess stepan is still holding out. If he sits the entire season, he still has the RFA status starting 2014-15 too, right?

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2 Days until camp, I guess stepan is still holding out. If he sits the entire season, he still has the RFA status starting 2014-15 too, right?
Yep. But only a Ranger fan would think about that.

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09-10-2013, 11:18 AM
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No deal imminent. Stepan set to miss the first day of camp tomorrow per Brooks article today.

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I don't understand why we demote Asham, Powe, and Johnson, then give Step $4M/year... We still have $600,000 in cap space, and thats counting Callahan and Hagelin on the roster. Who knows what will happen before they come back.

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/32014

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09-10-2013, 11:58 AM
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I don't understand why we demote Asham, Powe, and Johnson, then give Step $4M/year... We still have $600,000 in cap space, and thats counting Callahan and Hagelin on the roster. Who knows what will happen before they come back.

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/32014
Because you need at least some wiggle room during the season for various injuries that do not require LTIR. Otherwise you could run into a Devils situation from a few seasons ago where they only dressed like 18 skaters.

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09-10-2013, 12:02 PM
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Because you need at least some wiggle room during the season for various injuries that do not require LTIR. Otherwise you could run into a Devils situation from a few seasons ago where they only dressed like 18 skaters.
You can't do that anymore.

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I don't understand why we demote Asham, Powe, and Johnson, then give Step $4M/year... We still have $600,000 in cap space, and thats counting Callahan and Hagelin on the roster. Who knows what will happen before they come back.

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/32014
Cause we don't have to give him 4M.

If he wants to lose money and not play hockey, thats on him.

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09-10-2013, 12:32 PM
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Cause we don't have to give him 4M.

If he wants to lose money and not play hockey, thats on him.
Stepan thinks he's Darelle Revis. Sorry buddy but you need to put in a bit more time, that's just how it works

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09-10-2013, 12:38 PM
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He lost half his salary last year, you'd think he'd want to sign a contract so that doesn't happen this year.

New coach in camp, new system to learn

If you want that big contract down the line, it would serve him pretty well to get in camp now and not miss any time.

But I guess its all about him.

I don't get how anyone can EVER be pro player in this, lockouts, etc.

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He lost half his salary last year, you'd think he'd want to sign a contract so that doesn't happen this year.

New coach in camp, new system to learn

If you want that big contract down the line, it would serve him pretty well to get in camp now and not miss any time.

But I guess its all about him.

I don't get how anyone can EVER be pro player in this, lockouts, etc.
There's no moral or ethical right or wrong in these situations. It's just two sides trying to gain dollars.

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09-10-2013, 01:31 PM
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He lost half his salary last year, you'd think he'd want to sign a contract so that doesn't happen this year.

New coach in camp, new system to learn

If you want that big contract down the line, it would serve him pretty well to get in camp now and not miss any time.

But I guess its all about him.

I don't get how anyone can EVER be pro player in this, lockouts, etc.
How anyone can be pro-James Dolan in anything, ever, is even more mind-boggling.

It's a business. On both ends. The players want to make as much money as possible, as do the teams. No sense getting bent out of shape about it, since neither party gives one damn about you, the fan.

I'm sure Slats will end up getting Stepper at a number that's fair for both parties.

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09-10-2013, 01:56 PM
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How anyone can be pro-James Dolan in anything, ever, is even more mind-boggling.
Has nothing to do with James Dolan. He's making out like a bandit, he has the same fixed salary costs as 29 other teams but probably about 5 times the revenue as the average club. It has to do with putting the best team on the Ice, which is why he was saying you can't be pro-player on this, which I agree with

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Has nothing to do with James Dolan. He's making out like a bandit, he has the same fixed salary costs as 29 other teams but probably about 5 times the revenue as the average club. It has to do with putting the best team on the Ice, which is why he was saying you can't be pro-player on this, which I agree with
The statement I quoted wasn't limited to the Stepan situation--it was extended to lockouts and other player/owner disputes. The sentiment I was trying to express is that sports ownership in general is just as rapacious and self-interested as any player. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Dolan specifically, who doesn't seem to give two ***** about anything.

And my overall point was that it's pointless to take sides in these negotiations, as neither party is affected by our support. In the interest of having a successful hockey team, I obviously want Stepan there ASAP; however, I can't "fault" him for handling this like a business procedure (as that's exactly what it is for both parties).

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09-10-2013, 03:30 PM
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I'm not great at the legal/contracty side of hockey, but bare with me for a minute if you want...

Hypothetically speaking, if Stepan gets offer sheeted by a bottom feeder and we get compensatory first and third round picks, would we still have a shot at winning the draft lottery with the hypothetical bottom feeder's pick?

If so, is McDavid draft eligible next year, and in a perfect world where all the stars aligned, isn't giving up Stepan absolutely worth it if we can get McDavid and a third round pick out of it?

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I'm not great at the legal/contracty side of hockey, but bare with me for a minute if you want...

Hypothetically speaking, if Stepan gets offer sheeted by a bottom feeder and we get compensatory first and third round picks, would we still have a shot at winning the draft lottery with the hypothetical bottom feeder's pick?

If so, is McDavid draft eligible next year, and in a perfect world where all the stars aligned, isn't giving up Stepan absolutely worth it if we can get McDavid and a third round pick out of it?
Yes, the pick we received would be treated as if it was still the property of the team that dealt it. McDavid isn't eligible until 2015. The top-3 next year, at least right now, appear to be Sam Reinhardt, William Nylander, and Aaron Ekblad.

Now, all three should be very good NHLers, and on a "pure upside" perspective, all three might eventually top Stepan. However, they're not going to help the Rangers until the fall of next year at best, and for a team that's trying to win now, it's too big of a risk to take. Those players could very well end up washing out of the NHL, or, perhaps worse, Stepan could push the team he goes to into a better position and we end up losing a potential 70 point, two-way center who is captain material for the #10 and #70 picks in a giant crap shoot.

So sure, if, say, the Flames offer-sheeted Stepan and the compensation was two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, and we walked away with back-to-back first overall picks (McDavid being one of them), it would be a huge win in the long run, but it hurts us in the short term and the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero.

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09-10-2013, 04:36 PM
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If Stepan gets offer sheeted, be ready for your number 1 center Brad Richards!

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Yes, the pick we received would be treated as if it was still the property of the team that dealt it. McDavid isn't eligible until 2015. The top-3 next year, at least right now, appear to be Sam Reinhardt, William Nylander, and Aaron Ekblad.

Now, all three should be very good NHLers, and on a "pure upside" perspective, all three might eventually top Stepan. However, they're not going to help the Rangers until the fall of next year at best, and for a team that's trying to win now, it's too big of a risk to take. Those players could very well end up washing out of the NHL, or, perhaps worse, Stepan could push the team he goes to into a better position and we end up losing a potential 70 point, two-way center who is captain material for the #10 and #70 picks in a giant crap shoot.

So sure, if, say, the Flames offer-sheeted Stepan and the compensation was two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd, and we walked away with back-to-back first overall picks (McDavid being one of them), it would be a huge win in the long run, but it hurts us in the short term and the likelihood of that happening is virtually zero.
Ahh that's a bummer, can't believe I got McDavid's draft year wrong. I'm personally of the belief that we don't have the tools to be a serious contender for the cup this year anyways but I know management thinks otherwise. But yeah, giving up Stepan for a chance at a prospect that's not McDavid doesn't sit well at all. Thanks for the info.

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If Stepan gets offer sheeted, be ready for your number 1 center Brad Richards!
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The statement I quoted wasn't limited to the Stepan situation--it was extended to lockouts and other player/owner disputes. The sentiment I was trying to express is that sports ownership in general is just as rapacious and self-interested as any player. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Dolan specifically, who doesn't seem to give two ***** about anything.

And my overall point was that it's pointless to take sides in these negotiations, as neither party is affected by our support. In the interest of having a successful hockey team, I obviously want Stepan there ASAP; however, I can't "fault" him for handling this like a business procedure (as that's exactly what it is for both parties).
Players contracts are market driven within the context of the rules their union agreed to, end of story.

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Ahh that's a bummer, can't believe I got McDavid's draft year wrong. I'm personally of the belief that we don't have the tools to be a serious contender for the cup this year anyways but I know management thinks otherwise. But yeah, giving up Stepan for a chance at a prospect that's not McDavid doesn't sit well at all. Thanks for the info.
It's tough because even if the team isn't ready to compete --which obviously the org thinks it is -- Stepan is the kind of young talent you want to build your team around.

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Stepan thinks he's Darelle Revis. Sorry buddy but you need to put in a bit more time, that's just how it works
Agree 100%. He should just sign the bridge deal and get his ass into camp. He still has a lot to prove in my eyes!

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Stepan thinks he's Darelle Revis. Sorry buddy but you need to put in a bit more time, that's just how it works
Stepan doesn't think he's the best at his position. Nor is he holding out while under contract. I don't understand why you're making the comparison.

RFAs that aren't arbitration-eligible have one tool for leverage. He's exercising it. Just like Subban. It happens. It's not an ego thing. Strictly business.

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Stepan doesn't think he's the best at his position. Nor is he holding out while under contract. I don't understand why you're making the comparison.

RFAs that aren't arbitration-eligible have one tool for leverage. He's exercising it. Just like Dubinsky. Just like Subban. It happens. It's not an ego thing. Strictly business.
How well did it work out for Dubinsky?

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