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09-10-2013, 04:55 AM
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Hockey's Future - Make your own grades

Guys, I'm a little bored right now, so I thought it might be fun to see how you all see our prospects individualy. And because the HF grades are generally bad IMO, I think we should use their grading system, but give everybody the right grades

Do ensure, that everybody uses their own opinion, please make your gradings, before you read the rest of the thread. And to further make this list better, mark everybody in red, you think you don't know enough about to make a grade (for example, you have never read nor seen anything about a special player).
And at the end, you might say what you think are our strenghts and what are our weaknesses.
So basically make a complete HF depth chart of the Lightnings prospect pool.

So here is the list off all our prospects. Feel free to Copy & Paste it

Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe
Jaroslav Janus Europe
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro
Adam Wilcox NCAA

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro
Richard Panik Pro
Adam Erne CHL
Danick Gauthier Pro
Joel Vermin Europe
Brian Hart NCAA
J.T. Brown Pro
Drew Olson Pro

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL
Alex Killorn Pro
Nikita Gusev Europe
Ondrej Palat Pro
Henri Ikonen CHL
Philippe Paradis Pro

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro
Tanner Richard Pro
Matthew Peca NCAA
Cedric Paquette Pro
Jimmy Mullin NCAA
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA
Saku Salminen Europe

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro
Slater Koekkoek CHL
Mark Barberio Pro
Dylan Blujus CHL
Andrej Sustr Pro
Nikita Nesterov Pro
Dmitry Korobov Pro
Artem Sergeev Pro
Luke Witkowski Pro
Charles Landry Pro
Daniel Milan Pro
Jake Dotchin CHL

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Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 8.5C
Jaroslav Janus Europe 7.0C
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 6.5C
Adam Wilcox NCAA 6.5C

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 8.5C
Richard Panik Pro 7.5B
Adam Erne CHL 7.0C
Danick Gauthier Pro 6.5C
Joel Vermin Europe 7.5E (not sure if there is E grade but I don't see him as a NHL player but he has potential)
Brian Hart NCAA 6.5C
J.T. Brown Pro 6.5C
Drew Olson Pro 5.0C

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0D
Alex Killorn Pro 7.5B
Nikita Gusev Europe 7.0D
Ondrej Palat Pro 7.0B
Henri Ikonen CHL 6.5C
Philippe Paradis Pro 5.5C

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 7.0B
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7.5C
Tanner Richard Pro 7.0C
Matthew Peca NCAA 6.0C
Cedric Paquette Pro 6.0C
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6.5C
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA 6.0C

Saku Salminen Europe 7.0D

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7.0B
Slater Koekkoek CHL 7.5C
Mark Barberio Pro 7.0B
Dylan Blujus CHL 6.5C
Andrej Sustr Pro 7.5C
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7.0C
Dmitry Korobov Pro 6.5C
Artem Sergeev Pro 5.5C
Luke Witkowski Pro 6.0C
Charles Landry Pro 5.5C
Daniel Milan Pro 5.0C
Jake Dotchin CHL 6.0D

I feel like I overrated them a bit but oh well. Our wingers are definitely our biggest strength followed nicely by our goalies. Defense is solid and I feel like our center depth isn't the greatest as I'm much more comfortable with Richard playing wing. He's two-way game is very good but he just is playing better when he's playing wing.

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Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 8.5B
Jaroslav Janus Europe 7.0B
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 6.5 C
Adam Wilcox NCAA 8.0 D

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 8.5C
Richard Panik Pro 8.0C
Adam Erne CHL 8.0C
Danick Gauthier Pro 6.5C
Joel Vermin Europe 6.5C
Brian Hart NCAA 7.0C
J.T. Brown Pro 7.5C
Drew Olson Pro 6.0C

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0C
Alex Killorn Pro 7.5B
Nikita Gusev Europe 7.5D
Ondrej Palat Pro 7.0B
Henri Ikonen CHL 7.0C
Philippe Paradis Pro 6.0B

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 8.0C
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7.5B
Tanner Richard Pro 7.5C
Matthew Peca NCAA 7.0C
Cedric Paquette Pro 6.5C
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6.5C
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA 6.0C
Saku Salminen Europe 6.0C

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7.0B
Slater Koekkoek CHL 8.0C
Mark Barberio Pro 7.5C
Dylan Blujus CHL 7.0C
Andrej Sustr Pro 7.5C
Nikita Nesterov Pro 6.5B
Dmitry Korobov Pro 7.0C
Artem Sergeev Pro 6.5C
Luke Witkowski Pro 6.0B
Charles Landry Pro 6.0C
Daniel Milan Pro 6.0D
Jake Dotchin CHL 6.5C

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Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 8,5 C
Jaroslav Janus Europe 7,0 C
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 7,0 C
Adam Wilcox NCAA 7,0 C

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 8,0 C
Richard Panik Pro 7,5 C
Adam Erne CHL 7,5 C
Brian Hart NCAA 7,0 B
J.T. Brown Pro 7,0 C
Joel Vermin Europe
Danick Gauthier Pro 6,0 C
Drew Olson Pro 5,5 C

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9,0 C
Alex Killorn Pro 7,5 B
Nikita Gusev Europe 7,5 D
Ondrej Palat Pro 7,0 B
Henri Ikonen CHL 6,5 C
Philippe Paradis Pro 6,0 C

Centers:
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7,5 B/C
Tyler Johnson Pro 7,5 C
Tanner Richard Pro 7,0 C
Matthew Peca NCAA 7,5 D/E
Cedric Paquette Pro 6,5 B
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6,5 D
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA
Saku Salminen Europe


Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7,5 C
Slater Koekkoek CHL 7,5 C
Mark Barberio Pro 7,5 C
Andrej Sustr Pro 7,5 D
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7,5 D
Dmitry Korobov Pro 6,5 B
Dylan Blujus CHL 7,0 D
Artem Sergeev Pro 7,0 D
Luke Witkowski Pro 6,0 C
Charles Landry Pro 6,0 D
Daniel Milan Pro 5,5 C
Jake Dotchin CHL 5,5 C

Strength:
-Great goalie depth and talent
-High talent at every position

Weaknesses:
-This ONE defense prospect misses (a Kucherov esque defender)
-Not enough big bodied energy guys and no agitator.

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Wow already some grades that I would really like to see the reasoning behind (not at all saying they are falls, but because I thought the completl different way).
I tried to not sound that I am right and you are wrong, but I have the feeling I was unsuccessfull a t it, so please don't feel offended, it is absolutly not meant that way.
It's amazing to see how different people can see the same player and I love to know why. Thats why I am asking

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Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0D
Matthew Peca NCAA 6.0C

Defensemen:
Artem Sergeev Pro 5.5C
Drouin: Why a D grading? D generally means the prospect is not expected to hit his potential. So do you think that Drouin will not come close/ hit his potential as a possible All-Star (which 9,0 means IMO) ?
Peca: I always though of Peca as a highly skilled, fast-passed scoring forward. But you have him in terms of talent more in the grinder future. Do you see him more as a energy type pf guy going into the future?
Sergeev: Why a relativly low talent level? I personally thought of him more as a very smart and talented defender, but am absolutly not sure that he will hit his potential.

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Goaltenders:
Adam Wilcox NCAA 8.0 D

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 8.0C
Tanner Richard Pro 7.5C

Defensemen:
Nikita Nesterov Pro 6.5B
Dmitry Korobov Pro 7.0C
Wilcox: What makes you feel that he has decent starter potential?
Johnson: Same, do you see that much talent in him?
Richard: and same as well
Nesterov: I always though of him as highly-talented, but he isn't the biggest and all, so questionable if he can become so good in the NHL
Korobov: Less talent, but great team guy and very adaptive style, so I thought of him as a highly likely bottom pairing guy. You seem to think the opposite, why?

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Drouin: Why a D grading? D generally means the prospect is not expected to hit his potential. So do you think that Drouin will not come close/ hit his potential as a possible All-Star (which 9,0 means IMO) ?
Peca: I always though of Peca as a highly skilled, fast-passed scoring forward. But you have him in terms of talent more in the grinder future. Do you see him more as a energy type pf guy going into the future?
Sergeev: Why a relativly low talent level? I personally thought of him more as a very smart and talented defender, but am absolutly not sure that he will hit his potential.
I didn't want to give Drouin a 9.0C because I see lots of question marks in his game (size, skating, can he keep up his play in pro level). I think Drouin is very boom or bust guy - he's either first line or bust IMO.

From what I've seen from Peca he's gritty, goes hard on forecheck etc. He has talent but I find his grit, hockey sense and defensive game much on another level than his offensive game so I think he'll be better fit as third liner than top-6.

Sergeev tends to make a lot of dumb plays with the puck and is soft; talent is there, he's a great skater, has good shot and positioning is solid. I thought of giving him like 7.0D as I can see him being a good second pairing D but I doubt that he'll get there. He has lots of potential but if can't get tougher and stop the panicing with the puck I don't see him as NHL player.

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Wilcox: What makes you feel that he has decent starter potential?
Johnson: Same, do you see that much talent in him?
Richard: and same as well
Nesterov: I always though of him as highly-talented, but he isn't the biggest and all, so questionable if he can become so good in the NHL
Korobov: Less talent, but great team guy and very adaptive style, so I thought of him as a highly likely bottom pairing guy. You seem to think the opposite, why?
Wilcox -> Had an amazing season in the NCAA, the potential is there.
Johnson -> Yes, I think he's the kind of guy that will succeed in all levels, I doubt he reaches the 8.0 potential though, but I think he has the potential.
Richard -> I like him, very talented, great play-making skills and two-way game, but I doubt he reaches the 7.5 potential, so that's why the C
Nesterov -> I don't see him as more than a bottom pair defender, not a very big fan of his, hope he proves me wrong
Korobov -> I think like you, just think that maybe he could evolve into a top-4 shut-down d-man, but I doubt to be honest, I also think he will be a very good bottom pair defender.

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Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 9.0
Jaroslav Janus Europe 8.0
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 7.5
Adam Wilcox NCAA 7.0

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 9.0
Richard Panik Pro 8.0
Adam Erne CHL 7.5
Danick Gauthier Pro 7.0
Joel Vermin Europe 6.0
Brian Hart NCAA 6.5
J.T. Brown Pro 7.0
Drew Olson Pro 6.5

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0
Alex Killorn Pro 8.0
Nikita Gusev Europe 7.5
Ondrej Palat Pro 7.5
Henri Ikonen CHL 7.0
Philippe Paradis Pro 6.5

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 8.0
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7.5
Tanner Richard Pro 7.0
Matthew Peca NCAA 6.5
Cedric Paquette Pro 6.5
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6.5
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA 6.0
Saku Salminen Europe 6.5

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7.5
Slater Koekkoek CHL 7.5
Mark Barberio Pro 7.0
Dylan Blujus CHL 7.5
Andrej Sustr Pro 7.0
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7.5
Dmitry Korobov Pro 7.0
Artem Sergeev Pro 7.0
Luke Witkowski Pro 6.5
Charles Landry Pro 6.0
Daniel Milan Pro 6.0
Jake Dotchin CHL 6.5

Top three think should be top 10 prospects in world at this time so think a 9.0 ranking is fair. Think honestly drouin is number one prospect at this time vasi is top 5 and kucherov is top 10. Think worst case scenario would be kucherov to become a vanek like of sniper so dont see how he can fail at all. I really though predict he keeps getting better at all around game and becomes a federov when federov was great.

The panik johnson gudas killorn are already proven gave 8.0 except gudas who gave 7.5. Basically am unsure he will have the offense to move up to an 8.0 but he has everything else and really see him in a top four role. Palat also gave a 7.5 but he is as close to 8.0 as you can get.

Janus think is elite I seriously doubt he comes over though once vasi decides to come so think we might as well just take him off list. He is 7.5 to 8.0 goalie prospect though a little ahead of gudlevski

Guy who I have seen the least of is Odonnell why he has a 6.0 I expect him to step it up this year with more time etc.. The others at 6.0 are the same not enough seeing them. Odonnell has a good size so of them think he has biggest chance to make it in NHL. Paradis think has skills so gave a 6.5 but also need to see more of him.

The rest of 6.5 is a skill level think have seen enough at this time but also all of them can jump up higher as others have done. 2 years ago had palat as a 6.5 so he is now an 7.5 close to an 8.0 that is 7th round pick so is possible for a big movement of course even after kids get older or hit 24 say.

A guy I see moving a bunch or a flyer would be a jimmy mullin. Think he can move up and compete with gusev and peca. Brian hart is another sleeper who I think moves up to 8.0 at one point but is years off. Defense wise like dotchin a lot. Think he brings everything to table and is only going to continue to get better and surprise a lot.

Going to add connolly I honestly think he is our fourth best prospect if was still considered a prospect and see him on second line for many years unless we trade for a defender of equal value with him. I can see us moving him because of contract for that type of deal where someone would not want a malone or purcell and would want a connolly instead. I give connolly a 7.5 but is as close to 8.0 as it gets. I think offensively he out performs everyone but drouin and kucherov in long term. By 10 goals and probably 5 points at the least. Meaning 30 goal scorer with 70 points type of player at one point in NHL.

I dont see our guys below him including killorn palat johnson etc.. being more than low 20's goal scorers at low 60's. But basically see all these guys fighting for second line minutes killorn panik johnson palat connolly namestnikov etc.. and think the best guys will drop down to third line roles while we have marty and valtteri.

Good news is really can see people like killorn johnson palat-panik be a very dangerous third line energy checking type line with offensive upside

I know a lot of you think namestnikov needs to be second line or bust type I dont agree. Think we will have team mentality and have high energy on third and fourth line good two way players who will provide punch and have scoring ability.

NOTE THIS IS ALL TOP END not giving a b c d grades. This is what I think their top rating is. I give killorn panik johnson 8.0's cause proved they belong in NHL. Not saying they will be top two lines but ALL COULD BE I believe after what I have seen. They are not going to hold top two lines here because we are going to be better than that On other teams? Yeah they would probably make top two lines on majority of teams in NHL that is why high grades

I again think some guys will wind up lower lines not meaning they cannot be great players and make higher lines just means we have a better player ahead of them. We have deepest stacked pool I ever recall seeing. 35 years of hockey and dont remember having so many options so many great kids who play two way games so many skilled guys at certain things etc..

Is pretty amazing hope the D prospects step up and some become in that category of the 8.0's


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Some things I don't agree with:

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Joel Vermin Europe 6.0
Saku Salminen Europe 6.5
Come on, you're telling me that this is those guys maximum potential? I don't think that either will be NHL players but both have top-6 potential for sure. Vermin is highly skilled and Salminen is big, good skater with good playmaking ability. There are things in their game that I don't like but for sure at best they could become top-6 forwards.

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Brian Hart NCAA 7,0 B
Andrej Sustr Pro 7,5 D
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7,5 D
I don't know that much about Hart at all so could you explain why you think he's a surefire third-liner with second line potential?
Also what are there that you don't like in Sustr's and Nesterov's game that makes you give them D's? Okay, with Nesterov I can see the problem being he's size mixed with the fact that he isn't the greatest skater but he makes it up with his hockey sense. What about Sustr? He's hockey sense isn't the greatest and his skating style is pretty raw but he moves well and has nice offensive tools mixed with good size that he can also use.

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Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 8.5B
Adam Erne CHL 8.0C

Why do you think that Vasilevskiy is a surefire #1 goalie? I do think that he'll definitely be that but goalie prospects are hard to predict so what makes him that special?
Also what makes you think that Erne has that much potential? I could be wrong but I'd be very happy if he turns out to be a second line power forward who can score 50 points.

Hope I didn't sound too offensive, just want to know your reasoning behind these things.

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Why do you think that Vasilevskiy is a surefire #1 goalie? I do think that he'll definitely be that but goalie prospects are hard to predict so what makes him that special?
Also what makes you think that Erne has that much potential? I could be wrong but I'd be very happy if he turns out to be a second line power forward who can score 50 points.

Hope I didn't sound too offensive, just want to know your reasoning behind these things.
He's the best prospect goalie I've seen (granted I've not been following the NHL for so many years, only since 04 lockout), he has such technique, agility for his size. Composure in big moments, he already looks good playing in the KHL, against some of the best competition in the world, and he looks determined to come here and give his best for TB.

I think he has a lot of potential, I saw him play in Quebec a few times and he's very very skilled, I think he will be a 1st-2nd liner guy that will reach 40-65 points per season, but he has potential to be even a bit better, really a lot of skill and he really seems commited to work hard.

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To Hedman.

I thought I explained very well. The 6.0 guys were guys basically I need to see more of.

For Saku Salmminen he is same can only go by scrimmages for WJC which he did actually quite well not as well as Henri Ikonen.

I always have a floating list. These are the newer guys just drafted.

I said people can move up. Mentioned some guesses. These are two guys I figure in next few years move up etc..

Who becomes the next johnson? the next palat? Late round guys or guys not drafted?

I have guys 8.0 who I actually think wind up on OUR TAMPA'S third LINES or even FOURTH!!


I said doesnt mean that on half the nhl teams they wouldnt be second line guys or even first KILLORN anyone? I really think he winds up on 3rd line!! Not this year but for us when connolly and kucherov are both up? He would have proven he can hold his own on first line lol.

We are just too deep too talented

Again 6.0 and 6.5 are where started these guys most of them. Some have moved up quickly others take longer. When someone makes it to TAMPA proves they belong and can play top two lines etc.. they become an 8.0 to me. Even though some are gonna play on 3rd or 4th lines.

I hope that explains things better. I factor in a lot more than HFBOARDS or HOCKEYS FUTURE in regards to these kids. I do this differently than either of them.

I factor in AGE, time in chl or equivalent and ahl etc.. NHL time too.

So usually 7.0 and 7.5 is a prospect in top couple of rounds. 6.5 is a guy later rounds but can work his way up. Palat was a 6.5 for me when drafted and is now a 7.5 and almost an 8.0.

I dont think he has proven to be a top two line guy YET. Think he will be a third line guy can he take that next step? Hell yes he has proven a lot in AHL last year

Hope this makes sense again I don't think I have same thought process as most on the boards and am not doing my rankings based on how a hockeys future would base theirs

Is just my own views and beliefs and how I grade players

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Thanks, missed that part of your post where you said you don't know enough about 6.0's. I can definitely see why you think their max potential is where you put them at; it's very unlikely neither to become top-9 players so I was kinda overreacting in my earlier post. So thanks for clarifying.

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He's the best prospect goalie I've seen (granted I've not been following the NHL for so many years, only since 04 lockout), he has such technique, agility for his size. Composure in big moments, he already looks good playing in the KHL, against some of the best competition in the world, and he looks determined to come here and give his best for TB.

I think he has a lot of potential, I saw him play in Quebec a few times and he's very very skilled, I think he will be a 1st-2nd liner guy that will reach 40-65 points per season, but he has potential to be even a bit better, really a lot of skill and he really seems commited to work hard.
I didn't know anything about Erne's work ethic tbh so it's good to know that the guy is a hard worker. I don't think that Vasilevskiy is the best goalie prospect I've seen but I've been very high on Markström for long; I'd say though that I haven't seen a 19 year goalie playing like Vasilevskiy is playing. I'm excited to see him playing in KHL this season as it seems like he's going to be in 1A/1B situation with Tarkki. Thanks again for explaining these things.

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Thanks, missed that part of your post where you said you don't know enough about 6.0's. I can definitely see why you think their max potential is where you put them at; it's very unlikely neither to become top-9 players so I was kinda overreacting in my earlier post. So thanks for clarifying.



I didn't know anything about Erne's work ethic tbh so it's good to know that the guy is a hard worker. I don't think that Vasilevskiy is the best goalie prospect I've seen but I've been very high on Markström for long; I'd say though that I haven't seen a 19 year goalie playing like Vasilevskiy is playing. I'm excited to see him playing in KHL this season as it seems like he's going to be in 1A/1B situation with Tarkki. Thanks again for explaining these things.
Thank you and see am jealous of you am sure you see more of an ikonen and kucherov vasilevski salmminen etc than us based over here in NA I actually read pretty much everything you say on guys cause think people overseas have a lot better understanding of these kids especially the late rounders than we do in NA


Again easiest base for me is start guys top two rounds drafted at the 7.0 category. Start lower drafted at 6.0 or 6.5. Ikonen is above Saku because have seen him more Is just that simple lol. Might be fair might not be fair but till get him over here cant put him as more or unless he goes off like kucherov did in wjc etc..

I probably have Vasi too high at a 9.0 but man have never seen a kid that size that age more composed with that type of dexterity and movement when he needs to use it. Just flat out AMAZING.

Drouin had as good as RNH. Means a 9.0 and really think kucherov becomes federov and that means another 9.0. Think like said worst case he is elite sniper which still makes him a top line 8.0 lol.

The Markstrom thing you get to see him more He is very impressive though I would have given him a 9.0 too though I know have only seen him though in wjc and at florida last year though. He seems to be the real deal for sure.

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I didn't know anything about Erne's work ethic tbh so it's good to know that the guy is a hard worker. I don't think that Vasilevskiy is the best goalie prospect I've seen but I've been very high on Markström for long; I'd say though that I haven't seen a 19 year goalie playing like Vasilevskiy is playing. I'm excited to see him playing in KHL this season as it seems like he's going to be in 1A/1B situation with Tarkki. Thanks again for explaining these things.
There were some reports on Erne about his attitude last year but from what I've seen and read since he has been drafted he looks like a boy that works very hard and looks commited.

Yeah, I hope that he is able to steal Tarkki's job.
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It was a really hard task for me to rate all this prospect pool, but here's something:

Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 9.0 B //yes, I do believe that Vasya has NHL All-Star goalie potential
Jaroslav Janus Europe 8.0 C
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 7.0 C
Adam Wilcox NCAA 7.5 D

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 9.0 C
Richard Panik Pro 7.5 B
Adam Erne CHL 7.5 C
Danick Gauthier Pro 6.5 C
Joel Vermin Europe 7.5 D
Brian Hart NCAA 6.5 C
J.T. Brown Pro 7.0 C
Drew Olson Pro 6.0 C

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0 B/C
Alex Killorn Pro 7.5 C
Nikita Gusev Europe 7.5 D
Ondrej Palat Pro 7.0 B
Henri Ikonen CHL 7.0 C
Philippe Paradis Pro 6.5 B

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 7.5 C
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7.5 B
Tanner Richard Pro 7.0 B
Matthew Peca NCAA 7.0 C
Cedric Paquette Pro 6.5 C
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6.5 C
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA 6.0 C
Saku Salminen Europe 7.0 C

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7.5 B
Slater Koekkoek CHL 8.0 C
Mark Barberio Pro 7.5 C
Dylan Blujus CHL 7.0 C
Andrej Sustr Pro 7.5 C
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7.5 B
Dmitry Korobov Pro 7.0 B
Artem Sergeev Pro 7.0 C
Luke Witkowski Pro 6.5 C
Charles Landry Pro 6.0 C
Daniel Milan Pro 6.0 C
Jake Dotchin CHL 6.0 B

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Everyone has Mark Barberio as 7.5 pretty much C.

I have lower and think he is too small gets pushed around by bigger guys not physical enough and dont see him at top four defender EVER.

Now saying all of this am I missing something? Yep has some skill to be power play guy but from what I understand a 7.5C would be top four D man correct?

I dont see it I have always thought was over rated. I guess I am harsh. I do not see him as a top four guy though in NHL?

Am I missing something or is 7.5C not a top four guy? Just asking you guys cause is unanimous so far

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Everyone has Mark Barberio as 7.5 pretty much C.

I have lower and think he is too small gets pushed around by bigger guys not physical enough and dont see him at top four defender EVER.

Now saying all of this am I missing something? Yep has some skill to be power play guy but from what I understand a 7.5C would be top four D man correct?

I dont see it I have always thought was over rated. I guess I am harsh. I do not see him as a top four guy though in NHL?

Am I missing something or is 7.5C not a top four guy? Just asking you guys cause is unanimous so far
7.5 means upside to be #3 D-man from what I understand. 7.5C means that could drop to 6.5B (#5D) or 5.5A (#7/#8D). He certainly has upside to be a top-4 PMD but he could also be another MAB.

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7.5 means upside to be #3 D-man from what I understand. 7.5C means that could drop to 6.5B (#5D) or 5.5A (#7/#8D). He certainly has upside to be a top-4 PMD but he could also be another MAB.
I can see bottom pairings and power play specialist but do not see him being a top four PMD even second pairing now or in future. I am harsh on him a friend who has seen a lot of him tells me but I just think he misses something vital into being that guy lol.

Not sure can even explain it but have all those others nesterov after barely seeing anything of him as having more to offer and koekoek is in another world if was going by what they can offer do etc..

I think if you limit his minutes and give him power play etc.. he is suitable for lower lines and as a specialist. I do not like his D at all for bigger tougher guys forwards etc.. I think he panics is not sound in positioning etc.. on d side. Love his offensive upside but that is also not as great as a truly good PMD say BOYLE lol.

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He certainly has upside to be a top-4 PMD but he could also be another MAB.
DING DING DING!!!!

Really hope it's the former, really worried it's the latter....

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I would give Gusev a 8.5K . Where is K is stay in the KHL

Amazing skilled, but tiny, and only suited to top 6. My guess KHL lifer.

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I don't know that much about Hart at all so could you explain why you think he's a surefire third-liner with second line potential?
Also what are there that you don't like in Sustr's and Nesterov's game that makes you give them D's? Okay, with Nesterov I can see the problem being he's size mixed with the fact that he isn't the greatest skater but he makes it up with his hockey sense. What about Sustr? He's hockey sense isn't the greatest and his skating style is pretty raw but he moves well and has nice offensive tools mixed with good size that he can also use.
Well, I follow Hart as close as possible, but there is really not much staff about him.
Things that make me belief he is likely to become a top9 forward:
He is extremly commited to training and is just a sports machine overall (NCAA soccer offers,...).
He is a very complete player and does in every hockey case look like Killorn. And that makes me belief he will at least pan out as a poor mans Killorn so instead of top6 as atop9 player.

Nesterov and Sustr:
I belief they will both make it to the NHL and I am extremly high (higher than most) on Nesterov. But I still see question mark wether they can really get to the point were they are proven #3 defenders, that could help on the top pair. That said, I think Nesterov could even surpass that IMO, but this would be the absolut best case.
The thing is why D, I think they both could easily just stop at one point in there development and never become more than bottom pairing players. Both have not proven enough for me in pros (at lest american), that I would give them a C, though I think both will get one by the end of the season. But if I look back I see a guy like Matt Gilroy that was once seen as the next undrafted coming out of the NCAA but never came even close to the expectations and he is by no means the only one.
ANd for Sustr, I could see problems regarding his defensive play. I am not sure if he is able to develop it good enough to play against the top forward regulary.

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I like to consider myself an arm chair scout....so here goes nothing. The number I'm rating it as What I think they can be, the grade obviously the likely hood in my eyes. If I rank someone a 6.5 for example, just means I believe that they will more than likely be a 3rdline player (6.0 grade.) But has a chance to crack the top two lines (The 7.0 grade.)

If I gave someone a high grade but a low letter. Just means that I don't think its likely and will fall slightly behind, or that I was being cautious grading him. Kucherov is a good example. I believe that he can be an Elite player in this league, though I think right now I wouldn't call it sure fire. So I gave him a low grade but a high score. Hope I made sense to my grades lol.
Goaltenders:
Andrey Vasilevskiy Europe 9.0 D
Jaroslav Janus Europe 7.0 D
Kristers Gudlevskis Pro 7.5 C
Adam Wilcox NCAA 7.0 D

Right Wings:
Nikita Kucherov Pro 9.0 D
Richard Panik Pro 7.5 C
Adam Erne CHL 7.5 B
Danick Gauthier Pro 5.5 C
Joel Vermin Europe 6.5 D
Brian Hart NCAA 7.0 C
J.T. Brown Pro 6.5 B
Drew Olson Pro 5.0 D

Left Wings:
Jonathan Drouin Pro/CHL 9.0 B
Alex Killorn Pro 8.0 C
Nikita Gusev Europe 7.5 D
Ondrej Palat Pro 7.0 C
Henri Ikonen CHL 6.5 D
Philippe Paradis Pro 5.0 C

Centers:
Tyler Johnson Pro 6.5 B
Vladislav Namestnikov Pro 7.5 D
Tanner Richard Pro 7.0 C
Matthew Peca NCAA 7.0 D
Cedric Paquette Pro 6.5 C
Jimmy Mullin NCAA 6.5 D
Brendan O'Donnell NCAA 6.0 D
Saku Salminen Europe 7.0 D

Defensemen:
Radko Gudas Pro 7.5 C
Slater Koekkoek CHL 8.0 D
Mark Barberio Pro 7.0 C
Dylan Blujus CHL 7.0 C
Andrej Sustr Pro 7.5 B
Nikita Nesterov Pro 7.5 C
Dmitry Korobov Pro 7.0 B
Artem Sergeev Pro 7.0 C
Luke Witkowski Pro 6.5 D
Charles Landry Pro 6.0 D
Daniel Milan Pro 5.5 B
Jake Dotchin CHL 6.5 C


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