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11-18-2006, 04:11 PM
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Proposal: Change of Direction

Here's a way to keep our core intact while shoring up the weakest areas of our team.

Step 1. Trade Rivet, Abby, and a pick for Jovo. If Phoenix is really looking to dump Jovo's salary, as the media is suggesting, they might go for this. If the UFA status of the players we're sending back is a problem, we can throw in a prospect, up to Kostitsyn.

Step 2. Sign Souray and Markov this season. This gives us a formidable top 3 that can match up against any team in the NHL.

Step 3. Trade Kovalev. We'll pretty much need to to bring on Jovo, and we shouldn't expect to get much in return, maybe a pick.

Salary-wise, this puts in pretty much the same position we're in now, but we'd have long-term security on the blueline, something we haven't had in a long time, and with the continued improvement of Latendresse and the influx of more young forwards, we woudn't have to worry about offense.

With a Carbo-lead team, I feel we should truly be building from the net out. I'm confident Huet can shoulder the load in net, and with a top 4 like Jovo, Markov, and Souray, and Komi, we'd be in a position to make a serious run at the Cup.

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Why do we "need" Jovo? Kovalev for a pick? Is this a joke...?

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Why trading our scoring leader of last year ?


And Kovalev still got chance to finish first on the scoring board this year.

64 games remaining !

Wait until we reach the 30-35 games to give up on him !

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11-18-2006, 04:19 PM
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I love our core, and I think we're close, but we're still losing games because of the unpredicable nature of the team. The lack of a top-pairing D and Kovalev's inconsistent play are two HUGE variables. If we solve these problems, I think we could have years of real prosperity, not this 7-9th place crap we've dealt with for a decade. Guys like Higgins, Komi, and even Souray are indespensible to our core right now, but Kovalev (even though I like him) is not.

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Here's a way to keep our core intact while shoring up the weakest areas of our team.

Step 1. Trade Rivet, Abby, and a pick for Jovo. If Phoenix is really looking to dump Jovo's salary, as the media is suggesting, they might go for this. If the UFA status of the players we're sending back is a problem, we can throw in a prospect, up to Kostitsyn.
You must have a peculiar definition of the term core if the team's most outspoken player, long-time assistant captain, big-time minute-eater is not considered core.

You must also have a lower opinion of my already incredibly low opinion of Gretzky and co. if you believe they are looking to unload Jovanovski's salary mere months after signing him to that salary.

Overlooking those two minor issues, I'm not sure if a UFA-to-be Rivet is of much value to a team in transition like the Yotes, nor do I believe Aebischer is necessarily a goalie that's seen as anything other than middle-of-the-pack. Given the saturated goalie market, I don't believe Aebischer and his soon-to-be-UFA self are all that valuable.

In other words, Phoenix would be looking to deal Jovanovski for two not-too-valuable commodities solely to get his salary off the books; the same salary they just recently signed him for. I guess I'm still having issues with minor-issue#2.

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Step 2. Sign Souray and Markov this season. This gives us a formidable top 3 that can match up against any team in the NHL.
I like it. Except it makes the unhealthy assumption that Markov and Souray want to re-sign in Montreal.

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Step 3. Trade Kovalev. We'll pretty much need to to bring on Jovo, and we shouldn't expect to get much in return, maybe a pick.
For a team struggling for an identity on offense and for goals, this sounds like a plan. Especially if Kostitsyn was thrown into the first deal. Who needs NHL bodies on the wings when they have Plekanec centering the second line?

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We already have our PP specialists in Souray and Markov, and they both cost considerably less. IMO Jovo does not bring much else, just a serious threat to get injured again. I'd rather have Souray and Markov at $3.5 million each (give or take after re-sigining) than 1 Jovo at $7 million. Plus we would be stuck with him for 5 years?

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Why would we trade Kovalev. We make the playoffs even if he does nothing, and in the playoffs he has always brought his A game. Its the playoffs that ultimately count.

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I actually wouldn't trade Rivet straight up for Jovanovski.

I can't even summon the courage to try to picture a defense featuring *both* Souray and Jovo, and I also have trouble imagining how we'd be able to keep all 3 of Souray, Jovo, and Markov on the payroll (even assuming Kovalev was waived or traded for a pick) because right now it's already in doubt that we could keep all 3 of Souray/Rivet/Markov. (See my post many aeons ago projecting our payroll for next year). It would handcuff us at best, and I think that Jovo contract is the definition of "Albatross". I don't see this scenario working (or being beneficial to us) in any way shape or form.

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11-18-2006, 05:28 PM
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Here's a way to keep our core intact while shoring up the weakest areas of our team.

Step 1. Trade Rivet, Abby, and a pick for Jovo. If Phoenix is really looking to dump Jovo's salary, as the media is suggesting, they might go for this. If the UFA status of the players we're sending back is a problem, we can throw in a prospect, up to Kostitsyn.

Step 2. Sign Souray and Markov this season. This gives us a formidable top 3 that can match up against any team in the NHL.

Step 3. Trade Kovalev. We'll pretty much need to to bring on Jovo, and we shouldn't expect to get much in return, maybe a pick.

Salary-wise, this puts in pretty much the same position we're in now, but we'd have long-term security on the blueline, something we haven't had in a long time, and with the continued improvement of Latendresse and the influx of more young forwards, we woudn't have to worry about offense.

With a Carbo-lead team, I feel we should truly be building from the net out. I'm confident Huet can shoulder the load in net, and with a top 4 like Jovo, Markov, and Souray, and Komi, we'd be in a position to make a serious run at the Cup.
Jovo is a left D, doesn't quite work.

I agree that we'll probably see Kovalev moved, maybe at the deadline. He's a proven playoff performer and might fetch something decent if packaged with Rivet. Like Brisebois, Kovy is a bad influence on our kids imo. I just don't think this team will continue getting lucky and I think we'll drop in the standings from what I've seen.

Giving up assets for a defenseman we could have signed in the offseason instead of Samsonov really upsets me though.

Would be nice if we could get a mobile, stay-at-home right defenseman who could complement Souray and clean up after him in the defensive zone as well as get the puck out. Rivet is not that guy, obviously.

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Just say no to Jovo! I think he is a great player, however, having 7M on the books is just not feasible. I like what the Habs have done in terms of spreading out the money they have available. Instead of signing a big name star, which I would say Montreal has been lacking for years, they have spread out the cash and have signed excellent, but not star players. For example: Koivu, Kovy, and Sammy. I think with this cap situation having 1 player making 7 million or more is really going to end up hurting the team at other positions due to the fact that the money will just not be available. The Habs have a great "team" concept - not one star, but 3 really dangerous lines, instead of 1 GREAT line and the rest being mediocre.

I would MUCH rather see Soury and Markov signed to long term deals at around 3-4 million a year than have Jovo. Do you really think that if the Habs had Jovo instead of Soury they would have been better off this year? I don't think so....but that is just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think Jovo is a GREAT played, but not at that price. If the cap didn't exist I would say bring him on.

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This is nutty. Everyone knows Phoenix has the dumbest GM in the league. You could get Jovo for Niinimaa and a box of Tim Hortons donut holesóbut why would Montreal want him?

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Here's a way to keep our core intact while shoring up the weakest areas of our team.

Step 1. Trade Rivet, Abby, and a pick for Jovo. If Phoenix is really looking to dump Jovo's salary, as the media is suggesting, they might go for this. If the UFA status of the players we're sending back is a problem, we can throw in a prospect, up to Kostitsyn.

Step 2. Sign Souray and Markov this season. This gives us a formidable top 3 that can match up against any team in the NHL.

Step 3. Trade Kovalev. We'll pretty much need to to bring on Jovo, and we shouldn't expect to get much in return, maybe a pick.

Salary-wise, this puts in pretty much the same position we're in now, but we'd have long-term security on the blueline, something we haven't had in a long time, and with the continued improvement of Latendresse and the influx of more young forwards, we woudn't have to worry about offense.

With a Carbo-lead team, I feel we should truly be building from the net out. I'm confident Huet can shoulder the load in net, and with a top 4 like Jovo, Markov, and Souray, and Komi, we'd be in a position to make a serious run at the Cup.
bad idea. and trade proposals are bad dude!

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Jovo is a more expensive version of Souray. He's dangerous at both ends of the ice. He's really overrated IMO. No team, and I mean NO team, can afford to have Jovo, Souray, and Markov. We're going to have a hard enough time retaining both Souray and Markov. Adding Jovo is living in a dream world.

Rivet is a UFA, Abby is at least an RFA this summer coming, and it would take more than both and a pick to land Jovo. Phoenix is deep on defence, but lacking depth in goal and to an extent up the middle. Abby would address the former, but no package with him in it is likely to land Jovo.

Kovalev won't be traded. Not unless Perezhogin or Kostitsyn show enough to replace him. Neither have on a consistant enough basis. Alex needs to get back on the RW. He's more effective, and more comfortable there. He made the move to centre, as a sacrifice for the team. That doesn't make him a cancer, or a bad influence, as another thread attempts to claim.

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I agree with Blind Guardian here. Jovo is not needed here. I prefer Rivet. He is a lot more reliable in his own zone, by a mile. Jovo comes with a reputation of this great defenseman, but hasn't been all that great defensively. Offensively, good, but for $7 mils, you need to start him on the first wave of the PP. Which do you sit for the second wave, Souray or Markov. I prefer the guys we have here. Too much money for one guy who is not a superstar.

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Which do you sit for the second wave, Souray or Markov.
Well, they've already been split up. Streit's paired up with Souray on the first wave now.

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I was actually thinking Boynton would be a great fit here. Also....I know we're already small at centre and he comes with a little baggage, but I would take a run at Comrie. I think he would thrive playing in a hockey city like Montreal. Also...I don't think the price would be that much.

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