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09-13-2013, 08:06 PM
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Can we send a package to Edm. for RNH and then we don't have to worry about who will be better.....?




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09-13-2013, 08:18 PM
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Skill-wise, RNH takes the cake. We may be blessed for having Galchenyuk, but I would be lying if I said he had more or even equal talent to RNH.

The only thing I feel Galchenyuk really has over Hopkins is intensity. That's not to say Hopkins isn't a hard worker, he absolutely is, but there's a difference between being a hard worker and having fire. To use the Canucks as an example, Henrik Sedin is a hard worker, but Kesler is the one with fire. For that reason alone, I wouldn't be surprised if Alex ends up being the guy I would rather have come playoff time.

Hopkins has the idealized skill set of a playmaker, combining vision, hands, terrific agility and a sweet wrister that, frankly, is not used as often as it should. Galchenyuk's shot is a bit better, but I also like Gally's willigness to use it and use it effectively at this stage. He also has several of the same attributes as Hopkins, but I find Hopkins has him beat in skating, passing and control.

That being said, when it comes down to who would be better for the Habs, I would take Galchenyuk because he is a bit less predictable to defend on a team that does not include a Taylor Hall or Nail Yakupov on the wings, elite level talents that can finish. For Edmonton, Hopkins is the easy choice between the two.
I stop reading there.
On the matter, it's easy to prefer Galchenyuk simply cause he's already a hab but then again?

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09-13-2013, 08:23 PM
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Right now, RNH is better but I feel we have a gem In Chucky, his vision, speed and character make me a very hopeful habs fan for years to come.

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09-13-2013, 08:42 PM
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I don't like to make comparisons at all..........You Guys and Gals don't realize what a special talent this team has been blessed with....GO HABS GO!!!

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09-13-2013, 09:12 PM
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Nuge is better, but I'd take Gally just because I question RNHs ability to stay healthy.

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09-13-2013, 11:56 PM
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Did I really hear the word ''durability'' in favor of Chucky?

Wait... Didnt this guy miss a whole season ? Its been a year. Relax, before saying hes durable.

And people, stop pegging RNH as a perimeter player.

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09-14-2013, 12:01 AM
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B's fan here saying Galchenyuk.

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09-14-2013, 12:10 AM
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Did I really hear the word ''durability'' in favor of Chucky?

Wait... Didnt this guy miss a whole season ? Its been a year. Relax, before saying hes durable.

And people, stop pegging RNH as a perimeter player.
I think this thread has served as a demonstration as to how little knowledge people on this board have about players from other teams.

If RNH was a Hab and the Oilers had Galchenyuk this thread would be one huge RNH love-in and Galchenyuk would be some unproven kid on a bum knee who might go play in Russia in a couple of seasons.

They are both great young players but lets try and be objective here people.....this thread is embarrassing.

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09-14-2013, 12:21 AM
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I think this thread has served as a demonstration as to how little knowledge people on this board have about players from other teams.

If RNH was a Hab and the Oilers had Galchenyuk this thread would be one huge RNH love-in and Galchenyuk would be some unproven kid on a bum knee who might go play in Russia in a couple of seasons.

They are both great young players but lets try and be objective here people.....this thread is embarrassing.
Yes it is. Makes me feel like some sens board user. Or hawks... Or Leafs. Or... nah i'll stop here.

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09-14-2013, 12:59 AM
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I think this thread has served as a demonstration as to how little knowledge people on this board have about players from other teams.

If RNH was a Hab and the Oilers had Galchenyuk this thread would be one huge RNH love-in and Galchenyuk would be some unproven kid on a bum knee who might go play in Russia in a couple of seasons.

They are both great young players but lets try and be objective here people.....this thread is embarrassing.
Let's not get carried away here. As much as you think most of us Habs fans know basically nothing of other teams' players, I don't think we'd lump Galchenyuk with, oh I dunno, Grigorenko as a Russian player. And to be fair and objective, RNH has been injured rather frequently in his short NHL career thus far - one can't spin it any other way.

And finally, I really don't see many people on this thread heaping praises on Galchenyuk over RNH at all. In fact, most answers are very concise and clear: RNH beats Galchenyuk in all aspects except for 'intensity' and 'professional commitment'. This reaction of yours seems to be almost exclusively due to the fact that the thread exists, and that the topic was even raised. I confess I do not see why the notion is so unfathomably ridiculous. You'd think the comparison was being made between Galchenyuk and Stamkos/Tavares/Giroux, and not some sophomore (as of last season) NHL player.

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Let's not get carried away here. As much as you think most of us Habs fans know basically nothing of other teams' players, I don't think we'd lump Galchenyuk with, oh I dunno, Grigorenko as a Russian player. And to be fair and objective, RNH has been injured rather frequently in his short NHL career thus far - one can't spin it any other way.

And finally, I really don't see many people on this thread heaping praises on Galchenyuk over RNH at all. In fact, most answers are very concise and clear: RNH beats Galchenyuk in all aspects except for 'intensity' and 'professional commitment'. This reaction of yours seems to be almost exclusively due to the fact that the thread exists, and that the topic was even raised. I confess I do not see why the notion is so unfathomably ridiculous. You'd think the comparison was being made between Galchenyuk and Stamkos/Tavares/Giroux, and not some sophomore (as of last season) NHL player.
The consensus between NHL scouts/GM's is most assuredly that RNH is the more talented of the two players. That being said, I have already stated that I would take Galchenyuk solely on the fact that Hopkins may very well have a chronic shoulder problem.

My problem with this thread is the number of people that think RNH is a perimeter player and he is soft and/or he has a weak shot or that he doesn't train hard enough. Every one of these statements is completely false and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge with respect to RNH.

And if you don't believe that there are posters here who would take aim at Galchenyuk's Russian roots and previous injuries if he was a player on another team being compared to a top Hab prospect......then you haven't been paying attention around here long enough.

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09-14-2013, 02:46 AM
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The thread was made so we could compare the two potential #1 center under 20. I'm not saying what if RNH wasn't injuried, the fact that he has a shoulder problems and whatever real life situation take into account, who would you rather have. This thread isn't meant to ask who is better.

RNH is like Tavares, where as Galchenyuk is like Toews. Two very different type of players yet similar.

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09-14-2013, 03:04 AM
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screw it. I'm going on record and saying Galchenyuk has the better career.

I can't speak for RNH's intangibles but Galchenyuk just seems to have the perfect disposition to pretty much will himself to greatness.

I was sold on PK being one of the best while a lot of fans were saying he'd be good but nothing special. AG has the goods to be as good as anyone.

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B's fan here saying Galchenyuk.
I'm not saying this confirms my opinion but for all the homers on here we have just as many fans who are biased the other way as in making sure all the 'dreamers' don't get 'too excited' over our prospects.

I wonder if this type of fan is indigenous to the Habs, hahaha. And there's so many of them! I guess you need balance.

I'm pretty convinced that Galchenyuk just has more room to improve than RNH does. Enough room to surpass him.

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09-14-2013, 04:00 AM
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RNH although that shoulder worries me. people just see RNH's height and weight and think he's not physically engaged, it couldn't be more the opposite, and in the defensive zone, he has a datsyukian streak where he'll pick-pocket anything. the only thing i'll say alex has over him is his shot

i love gally but there's some serious underrating of ryan here

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Tough to compare. Most of us do not see RNH enough.

There is one year difference and it makes a lot of difference at that age.
Gally would probably have played 9 games in Montreal if there was no lockout.
In the last year he was much more productive in his last month in Junior and in NHL.

They don't have same match up (Quality of opposition?).
Galchenyuk has 17 points at home while having 10 points on the road (Desharnais: 11 HP vs 17 RP and Markov: 12 HP vs 18 RP are pretty good on the road).

PP and TOI is very different.

Maybe ES points per 60 minutes would allow us to have a better idea.
We will know more in two or three years.

For now, the only comparaison that would make sense would be with 2012 draftees.
Yakupov and Galchenyuk were the only forwards drafted in top-10.
I would take Galchenyuk over Yakupov.

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I stop reading there.
On the matter, it's easy to prefer Galchenyuk simply cause he's already a hab but then again?
What's wrong with that? We're not talking about Crosby here... just RNH.

It's weird to see people hail him as some sort of deity, Galchenyuk even outproduced him... in his ROOKIE year playing as a support. Relax. Breathe.

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RNH by a small margin. I don't like that he seems a little physically weak but his talent level is off the charts

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I don't like to make comparisons at all..........You Guys and Gals don't realize what a special talent this team has been blessed with....GO HABS GO!!!
Doesn't mean we should be blind to the skill and achievements of others

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It could go either way, but I take Galch. What he did in the NHL after missing a whole year the year before was very very impressive. Nuge is better right now and will likely be better for the next year or two, but I think Galch will be better than him in about two years.

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I'm happy with Galchenyuk. He's ours, and I wouldn't trade him for RNH at this point. I don't feel like I need to guesstimate which one will be better. I like Galchenyuk just fine, so no need to go there. I would expect Oilers fans to feel similarly about RNH. I would expect neutral fans to lean towards RNH, he has the higher draft profile and 52 points in his rookie season. Fair enough.

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Galchenyuk.

For one he has the decency to choose one last name.

Second, he can slow down the game, which is an elite skill.

Finally, he's one of the hardest working players in the summer. Always working to get in better shape. Always working to get more skill. Never seen anything like it. We won't know peak Galchenyuk for a long time to come.

Hopkins is very good but I have a feeling he's gonna have Kariya glass body syndrome.

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Galchenyuk.

For one he has the decency to choose one last name.

Second, he can slow down the game, which is an elite skill.

Finally, he's one of the hardest working players in the summer. Always working to get in better shape. Always working to get more skill. Never seen anything like it. We won't know peak Galchenyuk for a long time to come.

Hopkins is very good but I have a feeling he's gonna have Kariya glass body syndrome.
"For one he has the decency to choose one last name."

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I'm happy with Galchenyuk. He's ours, and I wouldn't trade him for RNH at this point. I don't feel like I need to guesstimate which one will be better. I like Galchenyuk just fine, so no need to go there. I would expect Oilers fans to feel similarly about RNH. I would expect neutral fans to lean towards RNH, he has the higher draft profile and 52 points in his rookie season. Fair enough.
Statistically speaking, RNH might had 52 pts in his rookie season, but they both finished with approx. the same PPG last season, while Galchenyuk was also able to play all 48 games. But one thing that impressed me from Galchenyuk is that he finished the season with 12 pts in his last 13 games. That's pretty impressive. Can't wait to see how he will start this season.

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[...] My problem with this thread is the number of people that think RNH is a perimeter player and he is soft and/or he has a weak shot or that he doesn't train hard enough. Every one of these statements is completely false and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge with respect to RNH.

And if you don't believe that there are posters here who would take aim at Galchenyuk's Russian roots and previous injuries if he was a player on another team being compared to a top Hab prospect......then you haven't been paying attention around here long enough.
For myself and what I can see, RNH's ability to slow down the game (I think he is the epitome of it) and find the passing lanes in traffic is terrific especially on the PP. His style is being slippery and slowing things down (which is how he played at the World Juniors), which isn't how Galchenyuk obtained many of his points in the NHL last season. I don't think many players possess that ability so young so that's what makes RNH stand apart. I think that Galchenyuk may be better than RNH doing things at top speed. He also stated that he wants to control the puck better this year as he did in junior so we'll see how that ends up.

As for posters here taking aim at Galchenyuk's Russian roots and previous injuries, I guess I give the average poster here more credit. I can see people taking aim at Galchenyuk's knee, but not his Russian roots when he's been exceptionally clear about it and by choosing to play for Team USA internationally has more than backed up his claims that NA is where he wants to play.

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