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09-16-2013, 01:20 AM
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Drewiske does not need to go to Hamilton. He was signed as a seventh D to be in the pressbox. And Tinordi does not compete with Drewiske because he will either be playing in Hamilton or with the Habs - he competes with someone like Bou. The fact that he is the only player to play back to back gives an indication that he is being looked at very closely.
And someone who thinks Pateryn was just ok please watch the game again if possible. He had a very good game and is closer to the NHL than Nygren who clearly needs some time in Ham to make adjustments.
And I was pleasantly surprised by McCaron - he combination of size, skating and hockey sense look very promising.

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09-16-2013, 01:23 AM
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I would say that Pateryn has looked good in the two games this weekend. He may end up a 5-6-7 one day with us.

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09-16-2013, 01:42 AM
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That was a blast to watch. Missed it big time.

My lazy analysis;

Great - Bournival [speed to burn, tenacity too, nice], Tinordi [Looked awesome and much meaner, and such a nice skater for a big man, psyched for his progression]
Good - Reway [shifty, but had a few dangles go awry], Prust, McCarron [Fun to watch, looking for too many hits maybe but I like what I saw], St Pierre, Galchenyuk [Maybe just for that hit, hah, looked a bit ahead of his linemates though, he's ready for the season], Holland [didn't know he had defense in him], Pateryn
Neutral - Collberg, Eller, Gallagher, Andrighetto, Nystrom, , Nygren [though Risto can attest to his shot power], Drewiske, Fucale
Not so great - Budaj, Lashoff, Diaz [expected more from him cause I'm a big fan, he got better as game went on but was looking rough early I thought]

I thought the kids showed great against much tougher competition, and we have some guys really close to the NHL which I really like. Can't wait for tomorrow, going to be even better!

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09-16-2013, 01:55 AM
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That was a blast to watch. Missed it big time.

My lazy analysis;

Great - Bournival [speed to burn, tenacity too, nice], Tinordi [Looked awesome and much meaner, and such a nice skater for a big man, psyched for his progression]
Good - Reway [shifty, but had a few dangles go awry], Prust, McCarron [Fun to watch, looking for too many hits maybe but I like what I saw], St Pierre, Galchenyuk [Maybe just for that hit, hah, looked a bit ahead of his linemates though, he's ready for the season], Holland [didn't know he had defense in him], Pateryn
Neutral - Collberg, Eller, Gallagher, Andrighetto, Nystrom, , Nygren [though Risto can attest to his shot power], Drewiske, Fucale
Not so great - Budaj, Lashoff, Diaz [expected more from him cause I'm a big fan, he got better as game went on but was looking rough early I thought]

I thought the kids showed great against much tougher competition, and we have some guys really close to the NHL which I really like. Can't wait for tomorrow, going to be even better!
I thought Diaz tried to do too much this weekend in the 2 games. Maybe he felt he had to do more because he was the veteran out there.

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09-16-2013, 02:07 AM
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Yeah, I'm never going to worry about a vet who has proven NHL talent in pre-season, I just try to analyze game by game but not making judgments on him. Just hope to see him round out before the season. There is a good argument that things will be much more interesting this year though, definitely looks like Tinordi is ready but might end up in Hamilton anyway. I have no qualms about Beaulieu spending another year in Hamilton, and Pateryn too with potential cups of coffee again for each. Tinordi would benefit too I'm sure, just brings the most right now of the three IMO especially as an Emelin replacement. Will be a few tough decisions for management to make by the end of preseason no doubt.

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09-16-2013, 02:16 AM
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Frankly if Tinordi has an other game like that and he starts with the team.

But he will have to prove himself in the last 2 games of the pre-season, those will be he most important prob.

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09-16-2013, 02:27 AM
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The very good - McCarron, Tinordi, Bournival
The Good - Pateryn, Fucale, St. Pierre
Okay - EGG line, Ghetto, Nystrom, Nygren, Holland
Not so Good - Drewiskie, Diaz, Lashoff, Prust, Reway, Collberg, Budaj

Gaston doesn't know what he's talking about - McCarron will dominate at the OHL level...period. Glad he didn't go looking for it tonight, or that the Sabres went after him. McCarron was credited with five hits but he threw at least a dozen. Tallinder is probably thinking..."Glad I won't have to face him when he's 22."

Reway up to his old tricks tonight - he turned over the puck too often trying to do it all himself - he has some Archambault in him. Almost got decapitated with that one dangle..saw that far too often last season in Hull. The kid is uber skilled..but at his size he needs to play smarter, and more team oriented.

I liked Andrighetto's game in the first half of the match. He looked very good when he got some time with Chucky and Eller....I'd like to see him get another exhibition game or two with better linemates...smart, quick and feisty.

Great job by Bournival - looked a lot more comfortable on the wing tonight. He and Mac are already developing some chemistry. He'll be battling Thomas/Leblanc for a spot or two out of training camp if Gionta isn't ready.
I have to agree with you, with a few adds.

McCarron needs to learn how to widen his stance for better balance when he goes for a hit because landing on your ass on the ice takes you out of the play. His skating gets too straight legged which is typical for a big kid and he's bending from the waist not the knees. I hope the Hunter brothers pick this up and gets his knee caps out past the toes of his skates to give him better balance and more explosive power in his stride. I really like the kid!

I will give Collberg, Nystrom, Nygren a little break on their play due to the North American adjustment and some of their nervousness of being in an NHL pre-season game. I thought the youngsters all improved as the game went along and it was a good first game. Great experience for all of the them.

Prust was going at half speed and is also coming back from a serious injury at the end of last year. He needs to be 100% to start the year. Eller, Galchenyuk and Gallagher were a little off but it will improve. Diaz might struggled due to a new partner and trying to do too much. Drewiske and Lashoff were a step behind and one pre-season game isn't a good sample size for any of the players but Pateryn and Tinordi out played them.

Reway showed me he still hasn't learned to use his linemates properly, a la Archambault but he does have two more junior seasons to correct the matter. He has to learn how to be a good teammate. When or if Reway can learn to communicate with his linemates better and use the old give and go to create more open ice for himself then those uber skills will be far more useful than the solo act that he so easily slides back into when the offense isn't there for him.

Just my opinion!

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09-16-2013, 02:36 AM
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Did we not signed him to a one way, 2 year deal ?
What's that got to do with anything unless you are Geoff Molson's accountant?

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09-16-2013, 02:42 AM
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Did we not signed him to a one way, 2 year deal ?
That guy literally takes less than 1% of our cap. He is signed to be the guy who sits on the pressbox for 70% of the season. One way or another, that will not be Tinordi.

Come on people, the guy can more or less play at the NHL level when we are in a pinch, his development will not suffer from sitting in the pressbox because he is as developped as he is gonna be and he will not ***** and moan about it. What more do you want?

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I would say that Pateryn has looked good in the two games this weekend. He may end up a 5-6-7 one day with us.
That's the right-hand shooter D right? If it is, that guy was pretty solid and has good size too. I would pick him over Diaz.

BTW, who was the bozo that wanted to fight Chucky? I mean we're starting the season and already our guys are getting gooned up.

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Nystrom can flyyyyyyyyyyyy

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I was at Centre Bell and tried to concentrate as much as possible on the plays. Here's my remarks:

Great
Bournival: he skates very fast and very involved.

Good: St-Pierre, McCarron (he fell quite often though), Reway, Tinordi (the only decent D)

Average: most of the rest

Bad (invisible): Holland, Collberg, Nystrom, Drewiske

Terrible: Lashoff, Nygren (how can he be the best defenceman in Sweden ???)
He was certainly not even close to being the best D in Sweden last season. He was far better than everyone else at shooting the puck though, but he is very one dimensional. Was only selected to play 3 games on the NT and wasn't even in the discussion for the WC team. He's got a lot to work on but he does have some interesting offensive tools.

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Terrible: Nygren (how can he be the best defenceman in Sweden ???)
Best Swedish defenceman in Sweden. He definitely wasn't awesome, but he wasn't terrible. You have to take in consideration it's like his first real game on small ice (Collberg and Nystrom are also not accustomed to small ice).

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09-16-2013, 06:23 AM
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Great: Bournival, St-Pierre, McCarron, Tinordi.
Good: Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Eller, Pateryn.
Average: Nystrom, Prust, Reway
Invisible to me: Collberg, Holland, Andrighetto.
Bad: Diaz, Drewiske, Nygren, Lashoff

Tinordi was great safe for a few positioning mishaps, which might be Pateryn's fumbles. The defense for this pair wasn't exactly full shinny. Tinordi is great just because his physicality was more noticeable and a great relief. Could have very well interchanged them. Tinordi (good), Pateryn (great) or made a middle category (not-so-great).

Eller didn't play that great of a game, He made too many fancy plays that aborted into give aways (that's most likely the best time of the year to try those yes), however he still had his game aside from these annoyances.

I just didn't notice Collbert or Andrighetto. They were either too small on the ice or they just weren't very motivated.
Don't forget that guys like Nygren Collberg and Nystrom will have an adjustment to the NA style game as well as NA size rink.

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Patrick Kaleta's picture with Eller on TSN is hilarious.

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Drewiske does not need to go to Hamilton. He was signed as a seventh D to be in the pressbox. And Tinordi does not compete with Drewiske because he will either be playing in Hamilton or with the Habs - he competes with someone like Bou. The fact that he is the only player to play back to back gives an indication that he is being looked at very closely.
The problem is - Bouillon is NOT going to Hamilton. So Drewiske might be, if ever Tinordi takes a Top-6 spot.

Markov - Subban - Gorges - Diaz - Murray - Tinordi

That's six guys, including Tinordi. Bouillon can slot in a 7th D. Or Diaz actually.

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Was at the game, here's a couple things I saw.

Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher: Obviously didn't go 100%, so I'm not worried. The Gallys were their usual selves, going around not giving a **** so that was fun to watch. This line could be fun during the regular season.

Prust: Same deal. Liked that he started stuff with Kaleta after the Galchenyuk incident.

Collberg: You can see the skill and offensive instincts, just wasn't on the same page with his line mates and as mentioned, different ice size, different game, tough adjustment. He'll be fine.

Reway: Did alright in period 1, then disappeared until the 4 min PP at the end of the 3rd. Kinda bummed about that.

Bournival: Surprise of the night. Looked fast, laid out some big hits, and 2 goals. Very impressive.

St. Pierre: Maybe this was my surprise of the night, lol. I expected literally 0 from this guy and he had some nice moves.

McCarron: Also was quite good. Unlike Gaston (?) I like that he kept his nose clean. No need to jump into the dirty stuff right off the bat, but he was never too far from a scrum either. He's definitely got improvements to make, but this was a solid night for him, and great hands/vision on those passes!

Andrighetto: Pretty invisible for the most part.

Holland: The same, but to a lesser extent. Made some solid defensive plays, and a strong play in OT that sorta led to our PP.

Nystrom: I liked him. I made a mental note to write about him even after he scored. Admittedly, I thought he was a Top 6 or Bust kinda guy, but then he goes out and kills a penalty, so who knows? Intriguing guy.

On D

Tinordi: Best D of the night, easily. He's NHL ready, make room for him.

Pateryn: Also very good, and very steady but somehow found his way to 2 assists. Knocking at the door as well.

Lashoff: Not as bad as he was in the scrimmage, but definitely not contract worthy. It's a bummer because I always cheer for the guys on tryout, but meh, I can see why he needed to accept one.

Drewiske: Rough night for him. Nothing seemed to go too well. Probably had too many minutes because of the D we dressed.

Diaz: Also a rough night. The DD pairing didn't go well at all, and Diaz did nothing on the PP. I'm still not a fan of this guy.

Nygren: I thought he was better than some of you guys here. He started out sloppy, but really picked it up later on. Wish a couple of his shots made it through to the net, but some Sabres players are definitely waking up sore tonight because of him. Can't wait to see him in Hamilton.

In Goal...

Budaj: Could've been better, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in the first game of the preseason.

Fucale: Big cheers all game for him. Was definitely nervous, but settled down and made some nice saves. Can't blame him too much on that shootout goal, what a nice move by Grigorenko.

I doubt I added anything new here, but admittedly I had some drinks last night at the game and this is what I remember.

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It's only one game, and a lot of good observations have been said already in that thread, so i'll try to add some stuff I noticed without repeating too much.

Pateryn:
Like many, I liked what I saw. He's pretty close. But his first pass from his zone is almost always too smooth, and regularly in the skates. In a regular game, some forwards would be destroyed. He has to fix that if he wants to be more than a call up or #6-7 d-man.

Tinordi:
Plays with an edge and with energy. But he still gets himself out of position sometimes, trying to do too much. Nothing to worry about, he's ready, but 1 or 2 months in the AHL wouldn't be bad.

Nygren:
Only a first game and he was nervous, but what worries me is that he doesn't look like a fluid skater, and doesn't look like an above average passer. We'll see. Diaz showed a lot more skills in his first camp, tho.

Fucale:
A futur NHL goalie, no doubt. Quick, calm, athletic, composed. But he looks thin in those goal. Must become a man physically before hoping to be a NHL regular.

St-Pierre:
Nice singing. I wouldn't be scared to call him up if too many injuries and youngsters are not ready.

Nystrom:
I dunno yet, but I really hope the Habs will sign him to more than the 25 games tryout he's on. He has enough skill to be a regular AHL this year, and a possible callup next year or the year after. If he accepts to become a defensive/PK specialist, Carbo-like, Habs may have a nice player.

Collberg:
Meh. It was only one game and he missed some training sessions, but his season had started in Sweden, so I was hoping to see someone with a better reaction time. Atrocious in his own territory, always losing his man. And offensively, none of his skills seemed above average. He's not as ready as I hoped. But we'll see, nothing to worry about for now.

As the game went on, watching Nygren + Collberg + Nystrom, I said to myself: "man, the elite swedish league must not be that good".

On a side note, That Girgesons guy looks good! And I like what Buffalo's defence may become. Lots of skills and weight and size.

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The Tinordi/Pateryn pairing was very solid. If Tinordi keeps playing like this, how do they send him down? Pateryn will make the NHL one day. For which team is not yet clear...I hope the Habs give him a real shot.

Nygren looked overwhelmed and got beaten badly on several occasions. I have high hopes for him but it's already clear that he will need some time. Let's see how he does in Hamilton.

St. Pierre--who has no chance to make the club--looked quite good. Bournival too. McCarron was surprisingly effective.

Reway has come back to earth. Normal.

Collberg will be back in Sweden in a couple of weeks. Hope he gets some ice time this year.

Nystrom is young but you can see why Timmons took a flyer on him. Hamilton bound.

Thomas and Leblanc tonight--the odds on favorites to make the big club in Gionta's absence. I'm guessing Thomas.

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Surprise of the night: Bournival. The guy picked it up a few notches from previous call-ups and has gained a ton of confidence. Imagine that same level of speed, tenacity and puck control over more than one game...

Validation of the night: McCarron. He needs a physics lesson on how to give and take a check, but what can't be taught is the vision he showed last night. Very good news that he saw the play, positioned himself well and made some really good passes. Add that big, mobile body to good hockey I.Q. and we'll have a winner.

Collberg: Moments of offensive flash, other moments of confusion. No problem, he just needs time.

Pateryn: Solid, cautious player who needs to be more of something -- either add some forechecking push or more defensive pushback. Not far from the NHL, but needs confidence to become more aggressive in one role or another.

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Bournival is such a different player from what he was last year. He can skate, lay out some hits and score. I would place him near first on the call up list IMO. He could take Moen's spot mid-way through the year.

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Thomas and Leblanc tonight--the odds on favorites to make the big club in Gionta's absence. I'm guessing Thomas.
I'm guessing Leblanc will be on a Red Bull high tonight, desperate to redeem himself for last year's lost season. He looked really good in his brief time with the Habs, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him as this season's rookie call-up over the less-experienced Thomas.

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Was putting the little ones to bed and missed them talking about there being scouts in attendance. Did they say anything regarding trade or possible moves?

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Was putting the little ones to bed and missed them talking about there being scouts in attendance. Did they say anything regarding trade or possible moves?
One of my friends said he saw Simon Gagne scouting the team

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One of my friends said he saw Simon Gagne scouting the team
Not sure about Gagne and I really don't see the fit on this team

I heard there being like 4 or 5 scouts from around the league

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