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11-20-2006, 03:13 PM
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It does not matter who we put on the second line, it will fail anyway with Sammy and Kovy. Samsonov has not show anything except his speed. Kovalev is just terrible all over the ice. I don’t care if he has an injury. Ryder had one too during last season and did not complain about it.

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11-20-2006, 03:14 PM
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Could Samsonov/Kovalev be the problem and not the 3rd player?

I think so.
True. If Kovalev is injured he should rest. If not, LET'S GO.

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11-20-2006, 03:14 PM
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I hope we see a major shake-up. We all know that we aren't going to keep winning if the 2nd line doesn't produce.

Sammy/Perez - Koivu - Kovalev (Koivu is the only guy who seems to be able to work with Kovalev)
Latendresse - Plekanec - Ryder (Pleks is too good for a 4th line role)
Sammy/Perez - Bonk - Johnson (both players look good with B/J)
Begin - Lapierre - Murray (hopefully 2 crash and bang guys like Begin-Lapierre will get Murray going again)

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11-20-2006, 03:15 PM
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I didn't read this....no I didn't read it....don't tell me we're gonna see those Aebisher, Souray and a 2nd again????
Well, is it coincidence that Huet's seemingly won the starting goaltending job, all defensemen are just about healthy again (meaning a surplus exists), and a spot on the second line just opened up?

I'm thinking a defenseman, Aebischer and a prospect for something!



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11-20-2006, 03:15 PM
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They do a different job. You can't have a team full of offensive-style players or you won't win.

He needs ice time and he'll get it in Hamilton.

Personally, I am not a big Samsonov fan and don't know why Gainey signed him...but as the girls in the valley say...WHATEVER...
Ever heard Valley Girl by Frank Zappa?

Funny one...

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11-20-2006, 03:16 PM
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I would have done the same thing...

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Don't shoot me...

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11-20-2006, 03:17 PM
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Ever heard Valley Girl by Frank Zappa?

Funny one...
haha yeah

Zappa was one weird fellow.

Just look at what he named his kids

Moon Unit and Dweezil haha

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11-20-2006, 03:17 PM
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I hope we see a major shake-up.

Sammy/Perez - Koivu - Kovalev (Koivu is the only guy who seems to be able to work with Kovalev)
Latendresse - Plekanec - Ryder (Pleks is too good for a 4th line role)
Sammy/Perez - Bonk - Johnson (both players look good with B/J)
Begin - Lapierre - Murray (hopefully 2 crash and bang guys like Begin-Lapierre will get Murray going again)
Interesting. But what about keeping Latendresse with Koivu. Stick Kovalev on his wing, as you suggest; the two have proven to have chemistry in the past.

Then plug the shifty Samsonov next to Plekanec and Ryder (pretty quick line, responsible enough defensively), and keep the two bottom-lines as you suggest... that might work nicely.

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11-20-2006, 03:17 PM
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I don't see the big deal. If he weren't a 10th (or whatever) overall pick, I think he'd be more objectively assessed as a so-so prospect. He looked just okay, pretty far from forcing his way onto the team.

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11-20-2006, 03:18 PM
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Well, is it coincidence that Huet's seemingly won the starting goaltending job, all defensemen are just about healthy again (meaning a surplus exists), and a spot on the second line just opened up?

I'm thinking a defenseman, Aebischer and a prospect for something!


Or Let's call Lapierre, put him on the wing of the 2nd line and hope he'll turn out as a Tucker clone scoring tons of goals!!!! Just daydreaming today.....

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11-20-2006, 03:18 PM
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MMM... well my only guess is that his means Boullion will be back in the lineup... I guess Dandy will be playing forward?


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11-20-2006, 03:20 PM
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Interesting. But what about keeping Latendresse with Koivu. Stick Kovalev on his wing, as you suggest; the two have proven to have chemistry in the past.

Then plug the shifty Samsonov next to Plekanec and Ryder (pretty quick line, responsible enough defensively), and keep the two bottom-lines as you suggest... that might work nicely.
Sounds good too. My only problem with that is that Sammy, Pleks and Ryder are all easy to bump off the puck.

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11-20-2006, 03:21 PM
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Can I be the first to raise the point that now's the time of year when some teams start wheeling and dealing, and that this demotion does seem perplexing as far as roster personnel goes?
wow I like that, wheeling and dealing and perplexing all at once.
Almost sounded like you were talking about Mad Mike as opposed to Poker Face Bob.

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11-20-2006, 03:22 PM
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I don't see the big deal. If he weren't a 10th (or whatever) overall pick, I think he'd be more objectively assessed as a so-so prospect. He looked just okay, pretty far from forcing his way onto the team.
Indeed, the weight of the first round pick is the most overrated thing on this board and thus makes Kostsitsyn one of our most overrated prospect. He did nothing to force Carbonneau's hand but obviously I'm sure it will be a chorus of excuses from Kostsitsyn's fans on how he always get screwed. He looked okay to me wouldn't have minded if he stayed a little bit longer but his demotion is nothing worth screaming for murder.


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11-20-2006, 03:24 PM
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what about

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Kovalev-Johnson
Perezhogin-Bonk-Bégin
Murray-Plekanec

7D

Huet

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11-20-2006, 03:25 PM
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Indeed, the weight of the first round pick is the most overrated thing on this board and thus makes Kostsitsyn one of our most overrated prospect.
Or it's the weight of one of the greatest 1st round ever with Kosty being one of the few not able of being a regular yet.....so let's just say we hope big time not only he'll make it soon but be a regular as well......

He's not overrated, he's overwaited.....

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11-20-2006, 03:26 PM
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Sounds good too. My only problem with that is that Sammy, Pleks and Ryder are all easy to bump off the puck.
Good point. But I'd rather have Samsonov's speed utilized here. Koivu, while quick, is no speedster. Kovalev, while fast, likes controlling the pace of the game and enjoys slowing it down. Latendresse's lack of speed won't hurt here in transition offense.

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wow I like that, wheeling and dealing and perplexing all at once.
Almost sounded like you were talking about Mad Mike as opposed to Poker Face Bob.
Yeah, I'm just trying to stir things up. I don't actually expect anything to come of this.

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11-20-2006, 03:27 PM
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Put Kovalev with Koivu already!

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11-20-2006, 03:28 PM
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what about

Latendresse-Koivu-Ryder
Samsonov-Kovalev-Johnson
Perezhogin-Bonk-Bégin
Murray-Plekanec

7D

Huet
Johnson and Bonk are gold together, I don't see Carbs splitting them up. I can definitely see 7D for the first few games Bouillon is back.

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11-20-2006, 03:28 PM
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Indeed, the weight of the first round pick is the most overrated thing on this board and thus makes Kostsitsyn one of our most overrated prospect. He did nothing to force Carbonneau's hand but obviously I'm sure it will be a chorus of excuses from Kostsitsyn's fans on how he always get screwed. He looked okay to me wouldn't have minded if he stayed a little bit longer but his demotion is nothing worth screaming for murder.
Nice to see you around, Saku K. How's life treating ya?

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11-20-2006, 03:28 PM
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Interesting. But what about keeping Latendresse with Koivu. Stick Kovalev on his wing, as you suggest; the two have proven to have chemistry in the past.

Then plug the shifty Samsonov next to Plekanec and Ryder (pretty quick line, responsible enough defensively), and keep the two bottom-lines as you suggest... that might work nicely.
That's the kind of thing I'm hoping to see.
I've said since we got Samsonov that I'd like to see him and Ryder tried on the same line. For whatever reason, I just kind of feel like their styles would mesh well together.

So:

Latendresse - Koivu - Kovalev
Perezhogin - Bonk - Johnson
Samsonov - Plekanec - Ryder
Dandenault - Begin - Downey/Murray

That is assuming Bouillon will decide to play Wednesday. If not, we're looking at a call up of Kostitsyn or Lapierre, or else having BOTH Murray AND Downey in the line-up at the same time .

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11-20-2006, 03:32 PM
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Good point. But I'd rather have Samsonov's speed utilized here. Koivu, while quick, is no speedster. Kovalev, while fast, likes controlling the pace of the game and enjoys slowing it down. Latendresse's lack of speed won't hurt here in transition offense.
I think Sammy and Perez could both be very useful with Koivu and Kovy. As we saw last year, Perez used his speed to catch opponents by surprise while getting fed by Koivu and Kovalev. I think both of their speed would add a dynamic to that line that Latendresse can't. Latendresse would also be useful on that line, cuz he's always looking to shoot while Sammy and Perez might be looking for the perfect play.

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11-20-2006, 03:36 PM
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I think Sammy and Perez could both be very useful with Koivu and Kovy.
The primary problem that I have with the line is that Samsonov and Kovalev are both puck carriers. I think they need to be seperated. At times, they're golden together, but it's a rare occasion.

Koivu also prefers being the puck carrier, but he can work the give-and-go and has demonstrated he's able to be a secondary puck-carrier on a line with Kovalev. Samsonov would essentially be rendered to the status of the complementary player on a line with those two, and his puckhandling skills would be put to waste, to a degree.

On the flip side, Samsonov could be relied upon to be a primary puckhandler with Plekanec and Ryder, so long as Ryder doesn't lose the puck in his skates too often.


Either way this is likely all for naught as I don't expect a major reshuffling of the top two lines.... but, I do believe the third and fourth lines outshone the first two by a wide margin versus Atlanta.

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11-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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Just heard, 7 way deal

To San Jose:
Traverse

To Pittsburg:
Niinimaa

To Habs:
Crosby, Marleau, Ovechkin, Lecavalier, Jagr, Havlat and Cal 3rd round pick in 2008

To Pitts:
7th in 2009

To Washington
Nothing

To TB
Mtl 2nd rd

To NYR
future considerations

To Chicago
David Aebischer or Cristobal Huet

(E4)

There wasn't enough room on the roster for Kostitsyn after picking up these guys so he went back tot he minors.

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11-20-2006, 03:42 PM
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Just heard, 7 way deal

To San Jose:
Traverse

To Pittsburg:
Niinimaa

To Habs:
Crosby, Marleau, Ovechkin, Lecavalier, Jagr, Havlat and Cal 3rd round pick in 2008

To Pitts:
7th in 2009

To Washington
Nothing

To TB
Mtl 2nd rd

To NYR
future considerations

To Chicago
David Aebischer or Cristobal Huet

(E4)

There wasn't enough room on the roster for Kostitsyn after picking up these guys so he went back tot he minors.
No way Fans wont be able to trade the 2nd round pick anymore.

REJECTED!

As you know habs already retired number 2 for the 2nd round pick. Doug who?

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