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09-17-2013, 08:26 PM
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Unretiring numbers?

Sabres fan (seriously) coming in peace.

Having a discussion about unretiring numbers (it happens once in a while). What do Habs fans think about the prospect of unretiring guys like Elmer Lach or Howie Morenz? What does having the numbers in the rafters mean for you, as fans, if no one you know ever saw them play? Is it meaningful to have those numbers up there for you, and if so, why?

I'm not targeting the Habs in particular or trying to suggest your greats were anything less than greats, you're just such a storied franchise that you're the first to come to mind when I thought of who might have jerseys up there that folks don't know anymore.

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As long as there are enough numbers available, I don't see the point in un-retiring anyone. It would just look bad on the organization.

Lach and Morenz are the legends from the yesteryear, their place among the team greats is well deserved.

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09-17-2013, 08:37 PM
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Koivu will be next, hopefully.

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Absolutely not interested in this for any reason. If the organization thought those players and numbers should be retired, no one within the organization should ever be allowed to over turn it. I don't see why any number needs to be unretired. With great success, comes a lot of great players that deserve to be recognized for as long as the franchise continues to compete.

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Koivu will be next, hopefully.
I don't see any reason to retire his number, and I hope the Habs don't retire his number.

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09-17-2013, 08:43 PM
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Sacrilege. Not a chance. It's our history. The greats that made the game better and built this team's history. There were many but they are all legends.

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09-17-2013, 08:47 PM
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Oh, definitely! Every rookie should get the chance to wear 9 on his jersey, just like Maurice Richard.

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Just because they played in the 30's 40's 50's and such doesn't mean they are not relevant now. Morenz was the first great star and Lach was part of the Punch Line. They are both important to our history and deserve to be there, no reason to take them down. The idea of retiring a number is that the player(s) who wore that number are honored forever, and it will stay that way.

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It's not about what it means to us today, it's about what it means to the history of the Montreal Canadiens. In that regards, they highly deserve this honor and it shouldn't be removed.

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Retiring someone's number would be a huge act of disrespect. In no way should a number ever be unretired.

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09-17-2013, 09:01 PM
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Morenz is an icon in Montreal only 3 are bigger.When he died over 15000 came to funeral.Not bad for an anglaphone.Outside of molson centre statues of Morenz Beliveau Richard and Lafleur are there.AS for Koivu a good guy but his number will never be retired

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Sabres fan (seriously) coming in peace.

Having a discussion about unretiring numbers (it happens once in a while). What do Habs fans think about the prospect of unretiring guys like Elmer Lach or Howie Morenz? What does having the numbers in the rafters mean for you, as fans, if no one you know ever saw them play? Is it meaningful to have those numbers up there for you, and if so, why?

I'm not targeting the Habs in particular or trying to suggest your greats were anything less than greats, you're just such a storied franchise that you're the first to come to mind when I thought of who might have jerseys up there that folks don't know anymore.
1st : Lach's number was retired 3 years ago.
2nd : Morenz was exposed at Le Forum. In 1937. 50 000 people or so turned in for the funeral.

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Honestly, once it's done, it's done. But I would have reserved it a even more reserved list...the ultra great. There are too many now and for me, it kinda diluted the process. You retire the ultra great (not going into names, don't want the debate), you do something else for the others, a kinda of mention without retiring their jersey.

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Koivu will be next, hopefully.
I doubt it. look at how quickly they passed his number around gomez now gallagher. if they thought highly of him they wouldn't have let anyone wear 11

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Un-retiring a number would make me sick.

If there is one thing we Habs fans are proud of is our history. After all, we are LE CLUB de hockey!

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09-17-2013, 09:26 PM
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Legends are honored here. Their contributions will never be forgotten and their names/numbers will be here for eternity. "To you from failing hands we throw the torch... Be yours to hold it high."

To downplay the people who built this franchise and contributed to it's greatness because someone doesn't know the history is as ridiculous as the new "don't keep score" sports, or "everybody gets a trophy" day.

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Honestly, once it's done, it's done. But I would have reserved it a even more reserved list...the ultra great. There are too many now and for me, it kinda diluted the process. You retire the ultra great (not going into names, don't want the debate), you do something else for the others, a kinda of mention without retiring their jersey.
You're absolutely right
That's what the ring of honor is for, (such as the rightful place of Roy)

To the OP, not going to comment on your team, their history or lack of greatness.
Some very special players have worn the red white and blue. The same individuals bled red white and blue, and the best of them have their numbers up in the rafters.
In buffalo's short existence they have retired 6 numbers, so let me ask you; what if we un-retire perrault/martin/robert?
Or better yet lafontaine?

Perhaps it will fly in Buffalo, but in Montreal as a previous poster mentioned its sacrilege!!

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09-17-2013, 09:37 PM
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If you start unretiring numbers, where would it stop? In any event, there are so many possibilities with double digits, and let's face it, Cups are few and far between for the Canadiens, so that the pace of retiring numbers has come to a screeching halt.

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09-17-2013, 09:43 PM
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I've taken pride in Habs players having 'odd numbers" for the past three decades because of all the retirements. It's a testament to the Habs' unparalleled legacy.

I don't think any of the retired numbers are questionable - especially not Morenz. He was the top player on the planet in his prime..an absolute superstar.

Should we unretire Gretzky's number because there are 12 -year-olds that never saw him play?

So what if a player has to wear a higher number - a two digit number is a two digit number whether it's 13 or 96..and besides..the most decorated player of all time wore 99.....

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I would never agree to such a thing. Having as many retired numbers as we do is proof that the Habs really are the most storied franchise in hockey.

I never saw a lot of those guys play, but what they contributed to this team and this city should be remembered, and honored.

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To the OP, not going to comment on your team, their history or lack of greatness.
Some very special players have worn the red white and blue. The same individuals bled red white and blue, and the best of them have their numbers up in the rafters.
In buffalo's short existence they have retired 6 numbers, so let me ask you; what if we un-retire perrault/martin/robert?
Or better yet lafontaine?
Yeah, well I wouldn't be suggesting it if I wasn't considering how it would feel for our fans. We have a couple great players, but IMO we also have some numbers that probably didn't need retired.

My whole thesis is that there will come a time, even if it hasn't yet, when folks start to forget who those players were, even with the banner up there to remind them. And when that happens, and folks don't have any passion or appreciation for those players, you might as well take them down.

But the consensus from your boards is loud and clear, and to be fair, most Buffalo fans disagree with this idea as well.

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09-17-2013, 10:32 PM
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Once it's done it's done. However, we should never have retired Cournoyer, Geoffrion, Moore, Bouchard and Gainey's #. They're not in the same class as the other retired #. That's unfortunate imo.

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Honestly, once it's done, it's done. But I would have reserved it a even more reserved list...the ultra great. There are too many now and for me, it kinda diluted the process. You retire the ultra great (not going into names, don't want the debate), you do something else for the others, a kinda of mention without retiring their jersey.
But then again, there are people like the OP (and no offence to the OP) who suggests Morenz as a guy to unretire.

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Well unless there is a guy that is sentenced for a major crime that would be a major direspect. Also, till there's 50 numbers available there's no problems at all and I don't think we'll see someone being retired before possibly 15 years, since they will probably don't retire Lapointe.

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