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09-18-2013, 09:14 AM
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Interesting.

I think Anton Stralman owes his career to Torts.
I agree. Tort's "tough love" really molded him into a much better and more consistent player.

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It's cool for the preseason, but could we please not put the results in the title of the post-game threads once the season starts?

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So i watched a little more than a period and couldn't figure out what number Lindberg and Fast were. Can anyone give a little bit of a more detailed description of their play? Fast looked good on that last PP, but I still didn't get his number.

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So i watched a little more than a period and couldn't figure out what number Lindberg and Fast were. Can anyone give a little bit of a more detailed description of their play? Fast looked good on that last PP, but I still didn't get his number.
Fast was 31. He looked good. He was pretty physical and used his body to shield the puck well. I think he needs a bit more time to get stronger but his speed and puck handling ability are NHL level right now. He has an innate feel for the game which was obvious.

Lindberg wasn't overly flashy but he made quite a few small plays throughout the game. He and Fast worked well together in controlling the puck. He looked stronger than Fast.

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Fast was 31. He looked good. He was pretty physical and used his body to shield the puck well. I think he needs a bit more time to get stronger but his speed and puck handling ability are NHL level right now. He has an innate feel for the game which was obvious.

Lindberg wasn't overly flashy but he made quite a few small plays throughout the game. He and Fast worked well together in controlling the puck. He looked stronger than Fast.
Fast is like 165lb, he may get pushed around too much in the big league. But he is very agile, elusive and used to play in traffic so he may be able to handle it.

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Interesting.

I think Anton Stralman owes his career to Torts.
I don't like Torts but you're spot on. Without Torts and Sully whipping him into shape Stralman would be in Europe.

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Fast was 31. He looked good. He was pretty physical and used his body to shield the puck well. I think he needs a bit more time to get stronger but his speed and puck handling ability are NHL level right now. He has an innate feel for the game which was obvious.

Lindberg wasn't overly flashy but he made quite a few small plays throughout the game. He and Fast worked well together in controlling the puck. He looked stronger than Fast.
Thanks. Who would you compare Fast too, I read someone say a smaller Brassard. With good speed and puck handling ability, it sound like he'd a good candidate for a puck possession game. I thought his passing looked good in the few times I realized he the puck, agreed.

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So far through 2 preseason games I've really been impressed with the way D. Moore is playing after missing an entire year. I think he's going to be a major upgrade at 4th line center and wouldn't look out of place on the 3rd in case of injuries. If Richards gives us anything at all, our depth down the middle is great. Lindberg impressed too, by the way.

McIlrath looked awful defensively. Tons of poor decisions and really bad positioning. It's clear he isn't ready but he needs to really improve in Hartford this year because he's the first man up if we need to go down there (aside from Falk/Johnson if they aren't kept as 7/8D)

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Fast is like 165lb, he may get pushed around too much in the big league. But he is very agile, elusive and used to play in traffic so he may be able to handle it.
I would say he is a little bit heavier than that now. He is agile, but over an 82 game season, it may be a bit much for right now.

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Thanks. Who would you compare Fast too, I read someone say a smaller Brassard. With good speed and puck handling ability, it sound like he'd a good candidate for a puck possession game. I thought his passing looked good in the few times I realized he the puck, agreed.
If you saw Kristo play, they are similar players. Brassard is close but I think Fast has more of an all-around game in terms of puck pursuit and attempted physical play.

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havent posted yet tonight..... but is the consensus McIlrath is not ready/ played a terrible game tonight?
Maybe I am not the one to answer this, since I haven't seen the 3rd period yet, but I do not think that is the case at all.

McIlrath got caught out of position a couple of times. That catches peoples eyes.

Most of the time, McI makes the solid plays thare are expected from him. Last night was the first game of the year for everyone cept Dom Moore, and the game was quite wide open and McI mis-read plays and when he does that he cannot recover.

To make the team he gotta beat out Strålman/Moore. I don't see him doing that.

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McIlrath looked like he was trying to do too much. That's okay, and with time and experience he'll get over it. I was impressed with his play in the AHL last year, and I think he'll have little problem acclimating himself to the NHL game. He just needs to play within his limits.

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I would say he is a little bit heavier than that now. He is agile, but over an 82 game season, it may be a bit much for right now.



If you saw Kristo play, they are similar players. Brassard is close but I think Fast has more of an all-around game in terms of puck pursuit and attempted physical play.
Thanks. I missed the game on Monday, so I haven't seen Kristo play (at least the WJC). It's amazing, this is the deepest I can remember the Rangers being. I think some good players will be in Hartford even while Callahan and Hags are out.

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Between watching this game and the game on Monday, you can really tell who the naturally creative players are. The PP last night was infinitely better than the Monday night crew who was trying to force passes and was too slow to make decisions. Though I think Girardi has proven that he just doesn't have the mobility to be a staple on the PP. I think Staal/McDonagh, Del Zotto, Moore and Stralman should be the blue liners who get consideration for PP duty over Danny G.

Nice to see some natural chemistry forming between Zucc, Brassard and Pouliot. I hope AV keeps that group together to start the year. They compliment each other quite well. I thought Kreider would be fit there over Pouliot, but I don't see any reason to mess with it right now.

I thought Stralman looked really good, and I was very impressed with Conor Allen. I think the Rangers may have found a really solid player in this kid. Great mobility, smart positioning, good puck movement. I'd like to see him engage his body a bit more. He doesn't need to run people over, but there were a few times where he could have shrugged a guy off the puck but instead tried to use his stick.

Fast looked incredibly slick and elusive. Great on the PP with the open ice, but was knocked off the puck a few times. Need to bulk him up a bit. Lindberg was solid, but not as noticeable as I'd hoped.

Talbot again looked very solid, but so did Marty. My guess is that Marty rides out the year as the backup and Talbot takes over the job next fall.

Yogan and Kantor looked hungry. Liked what I saw from both of them, but their decisions with the puck need to be quicker.

Haley is a clear upgrade over Asham, IMO. Way faster, and he hits harder. Little loose with the discipline, but as I've always said, a lineup can benefit from a bit of crazy.

Dorsett looked good. Like his speed and energy.

Syvret is smooth with the puck in the offensive zone, but is a trainwreck in his own end. Was just as much at fault for that 2nd goal as McIlrath was.

McIlrath was average. I think he made some really solid, simple plays, but he was clearly trying so hard to impress with his physical game that he made some bad mistakes. His skating looked good, but he tried to force some passes that just weren't there. Clearly needs more time, but he looks light years better than he did at his first camp.

All in all, a pretty solid showing from that group.

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It's cool for the preseason, but could we please not put the results in the title of the post-game threads once the season starts?
Yes, I mentioned this earlier. We'll put the kibosh on this once the games begin to count.

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I thought Stralman looked really good, and I was very impressed with Conor Allen. I think the Rangers may have found a really solid player in this kid. Great mobility, smart positioning, good puck movement. I'd like to see him engage his body a bit more. He doesn't need to run people over, but there were a few times where he could have shrugged a guy off the puck but instead tried to use his stick.
Agreed on Allen. The kid looks very promising. There were obviously other teams interested in his services as he signed a nice-sized ELC. I'm excited to see how he performs in Hartford this season.

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I was very impressed with Conor Allen. I think the Rangers may have found a really solid player in this kid. Great mobility, smart positioning, good puck movement. I'd like to see him engage his body a bit more. He doesn't need to run people over, but there were a few times where he could have shrugged a guy off the puck but instead tried to use his stick.
I agree with most of you other stuff too, besides McIlrath, but this Allen kid, honestly I noticed the Rangers picked him up but did not know anything about him. I got the same sort of impression you just explained. Did not look out of place at all and in many regards looked better than many of the guys who are battling for a spot on D.

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Something dawned on me while watching the replay this morning: Anton Stralman is fantastic. And this guy is in the bottom half of our depth chart on D? Unreal. I'm really excited to see what this defense can do with AV letting them skate. Torts has his strengths as a coach, but I don't feel his blunt style fit well with our highly skilled defense.

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Be careful. Torts practically MADE our defense. That's why it is so good. I'll miss Torts for that, in particular.

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I really liked our Puck posession... We spend alot less time on the boards and MUCH more time actually sending the puck to an open man. The PP still not quite there, but the puck movement is looking tremendous, and the bullcrap passes are not existent anymore

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Yes, I mentioned this earlier. We'll put the kibosh on this once the games begin to count.
Awesome. Thanks.

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Between watching this game and the game on Monday, you can really tell who the naturally creative players are. The PP last night was infinitely better than the Monday night crew who was trying to force passes and was too slow to make decisions. Though I think Girardi has proven that he just doesn't have the mobility to be a staple on the PP. I think Staal/McDonagh, Del Zotto, Moore and Stralman should be the blue liners who get consideration for PP duty over Danny G.

Nice to see some natural chemistry forming between Zucc, Brassard and Pouliot. I hope AV keeps that group together to start the year. They compliment each other quite well. I thought Kreider would be fit there over Pouliot, but I don't see any reason to mess with it right now.

I thought Stralman looked really good, and I was very impressed with Conor Allen. I think the Rangers may have found a really solid player in this kid. Great mobility, smart positioning, good puck movement. I'd like to see him engage his body a bit more. He doesn't need to run people over, but there were a few times where he could have shrugged a guy off the puck but instead tried to use his stick.

Fast looked incredibly slick and elusive. Great on the PP with the open ice, but was knocked off the puck a few times. Need to bulk him up a bit. Lindberg was solid, but not as noticeable as I'd hoped.

Talbot again looked very solid, but so did Marty. My guess is that Marty rides out the year as the backup and Talbot takes over the job next fall.

Yogan and Kantor looked hungry. Liked what I saw from both of them, but their decisions with the puck need to be quicker.

Haley is a clear upgrade over Asham, IMO. Way faster, and he hits harder. Little loose with the discipline, but as I've always said, a lineup can benefit from a bit of crazy.

Dorsett looked good. Like his speed and energy.

Syvret is smooth with the puck in the offensive zone, but is a trainwreck in his own end. Was just as much at fault for that 2nd goal as McIlrath was.

McIlrath was average. I think he made some really solid, simple plays, but he was clearly trying so hard to impress with his physical game that he made some bad mistakes. His skating looked good, but he tried to force some passes that just weren't there. Clearly needs more time, but he looks light years better than he did at his first camp.

All in all, a pretty solid showing from that group.
I agree with every word here.

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I agree. Tort's "tough love" really molded him into a much better and more consistent player.
Lots of folks don't want to hear these types of things. Makes their heads spin.

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Between watching this game and the game on Monday, you can really tell who the naturally creative players are. The PP last night was infinitely better than the Monday night crew who was trying to force passes and was too slow to make decisions. Though I think Girardi has proven that he just doesn't have the mobility to be a staple on the PP. I think Staal/McDonagh, Del Zotto, Moore and Stralman should be the blue liners who get consideration for PP duty over Danny G.

Nice to see some natural chemistry forming between Zucc, Brassard and Pouliot. I hope AV keeps that group together to start the year. They compliment each other quite well. I thought Kreider would be fit there over Pouliot, but I don't see any reason to mess with it right now.

I thought Stralman looked really good, and I was very impressed with Conor Allen. I think the Rangers may have found a really solid player in this kid. Great mobility, smart positioning, good puck movement. I'd like to see him engage his body a bit more. He doesn't need to run people over, but there were a few times where he could have shrugged a guy off the puck but instead tried to use his stick.

Fast looked incredibly slick and elusive. Great on the PP with the open ice, but was knocked off the puck a few times. Need to bulk him up a bit. Lindberg was solid, but not as noticeable as I'd hoped.

Talbot again looked very solid, but so did Marty. My guess is that Marty rides out the year as the backup and Talbot takes over the job next fall.

Yogan and Kantor looked hungry. Liked what I saw from both of them, but their decisions with the puck need to be quicker.

Haley is a clear upgrade over Asham, IMO. Way faster, and he hits harder. Little loose with the discipline, but as I've always said, a lineup can benefit from a bit of crazy.

Dorsett looked good. Like his speed and energy.

Syvret is smooth with the puck in the offensive zone, but is a trainwreck in his own end. Was just as much at fault for that 2nd goal as McIlrath was.

McIlrath was average. I think he made some really solid, simple plays, but he was clearly trying so hard to impress with his physical game that he made some bad mistakes. His skating looked good, but he tried to force some passes that just weren't there. Clearly needs more time, but he looks light years better than he did at his first camp.

All in all, a pretty solid showing from that group.
Agree with everything up until the pass given to McIlrath.

I thought he was bad. Like, scary bad.

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I hope we don't see the type of line-juggling we did under Torts. The offense was always very sloppy against high-end teams because creativity between players was never allowed to develop. You would get a trio that caught fire, like Anisimov-Stepan-Gaborik, but it would be abandoned just as quick as it developed.

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Maybe I am not the one to answer this, since I haven't seen the 3rd period yet, but I do not think that is the case at all.

McIlrath got caught out of position a couple of times. That catches peoples eyes.

Most of the time, McI makes the solid plays thare are expected from him. Last night was the first game of the year for everyone cept Dom Moore, and the game was quite wide open and McI mis-read plays and when he does that he cannot recover.

To make the team he gotta beat out Strålman/Moore. I don't see him doing that.
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McIlrath looked like he was trying to do too much. That's okay, and with time and experience he'll get over it. I was impressed with his play in the AHL last year, and I think he'll have little problem acclimating himself to the NHL game. He just needs to play within his limits.
These two posts are pretty much spot on.

McIlrath looked good at times, and then made a few mistakes which were amplified ten fold on HF.

He was trying too hard. He needed to play his game but he was trying to play the game AV and Ulfie were teaching him, he was jumping up and trying to pinch, and you could tell he wasn't comfortable trying to do that. He needs to solidify everything defensively and focus on that aspect first, which when he plays that way he's pretty solid and then try add a little extra to his game. Similar to how Staal developed.

Let McDonagh, Moore, Stralman, and MDZ do the pinching.

Lindberg is one of those players who is very smart and knows where to be, he wasn't overly flashy but he was in the right place and is pretty shifty. He is capable of getting his stick on a puck even when it's an awkward position. Case in point the shot he took that got blocked where the puck came into his feet and he had to reach across his body to get it but still got the shot off.

Fast hadn't impressed me too much up until last night, but he is pretty creative and agile. Not a big guy, but he looks extremely strong on his skates, the play where he was off balance and had a Philly player leaning on him and the Philly player went down shows that well.

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It's cool for the preseason, but could we please not put the results in the title of the post-game threads once the season starts?
Yeah, I bring this issue up every year so I didn't want to be the one to mention it. But there's no reason to post the score in the thread title.

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