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09-18-2013, 09:38 PM
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This is just terrible from a Vancouver point of view. We'd be weakening our defense to upgrade at center which we don't need. Plus we throw in Hansen on top of that? I'd describe Hansen as an elite third liner who can move up in the line up when needed, a really valuable piece to our team.

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09-18-2013, 09:58 PM
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I respond with Eller + Thrower for Edler.
Maybe Eller + Tinordi + 1st for Edler

Edler is a pretty valuable piece signed long-term on a great deal.

For the record, I would do Tanev + Gaunce/Jessen + 1st for Plekanec @ 70%. (Figure the VAN package is worth less than MTL's while Pleks is also worth less than Edler).

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Whats with these Montreal homers making these stupid proposals. First Lu and Horvat for a worse goalie and now this?

Sorry Montreal fans but you should quit now.
The Lu + Horvat proposal was done by a Leaf fan who hates the Habs. Try not to paint all fans from one fan base.

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09-18-2013, 10:08 PM
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What is it with Habs fans putting Plekanec up in every deal, like they're trying to drive the dude out of town. It's confusing because he's easily their best center right now, and they'd be so much worse off without him.

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09-18-2013, 10:11 PM
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Maybe Eller + Tinordi + 1st for Edler

Edler is a pretty valuable piece signed long-term on a great deal.

For the record, I would do Tanev + Gaunce/Jessen + 1st for Plekanec @ 70%. (Figure the VAN package is worth less than MTL's while Pleks is also worth less than Edler).
Why should we take a quantity for quality deal like that? We aren't shopping him, and he's a premier player signed to a great deal.

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09-18-2013, 10:32 PM
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Maybe Eller + Tinordi + 1st for Edler

Edler is a pretty valuable piece signed long-term on a great deal.
Habs won't do that deal. They're not contenders and will go through the growing pains of having the youngsters getting better.

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09-19-2013, 12:22 AM
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We don't need your trash, we don't want your trash.

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We don't need your trash, we don't want your trash.
There's no need to call the other teams' players trash. Plekanec and Gorges are both very solid players, and would make a great addition to any team. It's just not a trade we can afford to make right now.

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09-19-2013, 05:33 AM
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Neither Pleks or Edler has dressed a preseason game yet so start the conspiracy theories but with a healthy Kesler the Nucks don't need Plekaneks, they need some character/toughness in the bottom 6

Moen for Tanev

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Msg to all Habs fans:

We don't need your trash, we don't want your trash.

Hey wait are you not the same guy that claimed being 4th overall in the league final standings is barely making the playoffs.Lmao

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09-19-2013, 06:00 AM
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Neither Pleks or Edler has dressed a preseason game yet so start the conspiracy theories but with a healthy Kesler the Nucks don't need Plekaneks, they need some character/toughness in the bottom 6

Moen for Tanev
Moen is an overpaid 4th liner. We are not trading Tanev for that.

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09-19-2013, 06:19 AM
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Moen is an overpaid 4th liner. We are not trading Tanev for that.
Yeah cause MG hasn't been know to overpay for 4th liners but Moen had 3 good years prior to last years bedcrapping when he let Prust carry the load but we'll add Diaz for Tanev + 3rd

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I like Edler and Hansen, but the Habs depth at D takes too big a hit if Plekanec leaves. Galchenyuk is still being groomed into a centre but needs more time at wing, Eller is not ready yet to carry first line centre duties and Desharnais isn't good enough to be a first line centre. If Plekanec goes, the Habs are worse off, even if they add Hansen and Edler.

Habs pass and I'd say Canucks pass as well.

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09-19-2013, 07:08 AM
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The Hab the Canucks need is Murray. He passed when Vancouver persued him, of course.

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The Hab the Canucks need is Murray. He passed when Vancouver persued him, of course.
Unless both Tinordi and Pateryn are ready to make the jump, Murray will likely spend the year in Montreal. The Habs will need all the defensive depth they can get, especially big, rugged defensemen that clear the crease and throw a big hit.

Also, Murray is day-to-day with a lower body injury.

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The Hab the Canucks need is Murray.
Really? Never expected somebody to say that.

Who knows, might be available once Emelin is healthy and if Tinordi really impresses.

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The Canucks are deep at centre and the Habs lack centre depth. How on Earth does this trade make any sense? Also there is not much on Montreal's roster I'd consider moving Edler for, as we don't really have a comparable player to take his spot.

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Yeah cause MG hasn't been know to overpay for 4th liners but Moen had 3 good years prior to last years bedcrapping when he let Prust carry the load but we'll add Diaz for Tanev + 3rd
Do you even consider the other team? How is this good for Vancouver at all? Tanev Is worth a whole lot more to van then moen and the difference isn't diaz. And then Vancouver adds a 3rd on top?

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Why would we do this? Thrower is no use to us, as he is a future prospect on a team still cup competitive. While I like Eller, he is not the centrepiece in an Edler trade.
Which team do you root for?

Tought you were a habs fans before a canucks fan.


Habs don't need Edler but Hansen would be a nice add. But not at the cost of Plekanec.

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09-20-2013, 06:20 AM
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Habs don't need Edler but Hansen would be a nice add. But not at the cost of Plekanec.
We can't trade Edler or Hansen.

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Which team do you root for?

Tought you were a habs fans before a canucks fan.


Habs don't need Edler but Hansen would be a nice add. But not at the cost of Plekanec.
Both, but Nucks before Habs.

And I agree with you. Edler would be a luxury, but hardly a need. While Hansen has more value to Vancouver than he'd be likely to return in trade.

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09-20-2013, 06:22 PM
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What is it with Habs fans putting Plekanec up in every deal, like they're trying to drive the dude out of town. It's confusing because he's easily their best center right now, and they'd be so much worse off without him.
He disappears during the playoffs...sure this rings a bell with Vancouver fans. Oops, here comes the MTL Plek lover that will pursue me and tell me that I know nothing about hockey.

Seriously, he has used us to gradually fade away in the second half of the season. His unconditional fans will tell you that this is because he takes over bigger defensive responsibilities...but then you are in trouble if your supposed #1 C goes into puck-pushing mode when it counts.

Another overrated Hab is Gorges, who you are also starting to see his name circulate more on the threads. Solid #5 D who is paid like a #3 and played as a #2.

The Sens did us a big service by exposing these two players (plus Price) and all three will be playing a key season this year for their future in Montreal.

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He disappears during the playoffs...sure this rings a bell with Vancouver fans. Oops, here comes the MTL Plek lover that will pursue me and tell me that I know nothing about hockey.

Seriously, he has used us to gradually fade away in the second half of the season. His unconditional fans will tell you that this is because he takes over bigger defensive responsibilities...but then you are in trouble if your supposed #1 C goes into puck-pushing mode when it counts.

Another overrated Hab is Gorges, who you are also starting to see his name circulate more on the threads. Solid #5 D who is paid like a #3 and played as a #2.

The Sens did us a big service by exposing these two players (plus Price) and all three will be playing a key season this year for their future in Montreal.
In an attempt to appear partial, you have slightly underrated both players. Plekanec may have consistency issues at times from a productivity perspective, however that is indicative of most defensive oriented two-way players. For comparison sake, he the opposite of say, Kesler or Bergeron, who are often the catalyst for an offensive play, albeit both are better players in either category. Plekanec is a poor man's first liner, but more ideally a good second line centre.

Again, you are disregarding defense as a worthwhile attribute. Gorges, when at his best, is a stalwart defensive defenseman; top four. His nonexistent offense may not suit every team per se, but when paired with an offensive minded player, he allows them to play a more reckless game and focus exclusively on his own strengths. A fifth defenseman is more Tanev, Oduya and etc. That said, I do agree Gorges has no business being used above the second pairing.

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09-22-2013, 10:40 AM
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I think that Montreal and Vancouver are good trade partners as they can trade some parts that can benefit both parts, short and long term. To evaluate this deal better we have to agree on the clubs current status.

GOALTENDING: Controvercial at best, for both parts it might be better for either club to part with the goalies they think are the No1. There has been alot of discussions of a goalie swap between VAN and MTL, and i think this actually might work, value wise though VAN has to add...

DEFENSE: Vancouver has a very reliable top-4 on paper but they obviously need something else to add, as they haven't had much success with the current formation. Montreal, although deep on D, they dont have a clear top-2 D to play along Subban as the RD first D pairing.

OFFENSE: Montreal has many scoring options, skills and talent but they lack size. Also they do have a plethora of very good bottom - 6 players, at the same time that Vancouver cant really rely on the bottom lines for some scoring and point contributing.

SALARY CAP: Montreal has 1,886 M to spend and Vancouver has 2,247M left to spend.

PROSPECTS: Montreal has a better prospect pool than Vancouver and as the matter of fact Vancouver is quite shallow at quality defensive prospects.


So here is my idea of the massive trade between the two teams:

Luongo, Edler, Kassian (VAN) with 11,2M in cap space involved
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Price, Gorges, Moen, Beaulieu (MTL) with 12,2M in cap space involved

VANCOUVER LINE UP

Price-Lack

D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Booth-Schroeder-Richardson
Moen-Weiss-Sestito
ex.Horvat,Shinkaruk

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Garrison-Gorges
Tanev-Corrado
ex.Alberts,Weber

MONTREAL LINE UP

Luongo-Budaj

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Bourque-Plekanec-Briere
Galchenuyk-Eller-Kassian
Prust-Bournival-White
ex.Gionta (LTIR), Parros, Leblanc

Edler-Subban
Markov-Tinordi
Murray-Diaz
ex.Bouillion, Pateryn, Drewiskie

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Luongo, Edler, Kassian (VAN) with 11,2M in cap space involved
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Price, Gorges, Moen, Beaulieu (MTL) with 12,2M in cap space involved
This is a horrible deal for Vancouver.

We give up arguably the better goalie, albeit for one nine years his junior, but also lose our best scoring defenseman for essentially nothing in replacement utility. Gorges is a solid defensive defense, but inferior to what we already have and provides no offensive whatsoever, whilst Beaulieu is a prospect another year or two from even making the NHL. Moen, meanwhile, is useless.

And insult to injury. We give up Kassian for literally nothing.

On the flipside, the only reason Montreal might not consider doing this is the difference of age between Price and Luongo. Even that may not be enough of a deterrent, seeing they receive an pseudo-number defenseman one on the cusp of a breakout and a budding powerforward.

Edler - Subban
Markov - Diaz
Tinordi - Emelin

Hamhuis - Garrison
Gorges - Bieksa
Beaulieu - Tanev

As a Habs fan, I love it. As a Canucks fan? Not so much.


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