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09-20-2013, 11:32 AM
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Oilers sign Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to extension [7 years/$6 million AAV] ‎

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Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug
Oilers have a deal with RNH done

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/s...83202438090754

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Gee, you think they're paying for potential?

I think we've all acknowledged that, but again there's no reason why a bridge contract isn't warranted in this case due to the injuries. I would say the same thing with regards to Landeskog though. If that insane contract justifies this one, so be it.

After a bridge contract they would've been awarded roughly the same as they've been awarded now.
How is that in any way a certainty?

If Montreal could go back, do you think they would bypass a long term deal with Subban- knowing full well that he was going to win the Norris? Not a chance. Bridge deals only make sense if you think the player is going to perform at roughly the same level, and that his comparables are not going to be signing for more. Montreal gambled and lost.

What happens if RNH explodes and Stamkos is now the comparable contract? Or Duchene and RNH perform similarly and Duchene signs for 7 mil? Not only have you upped RNH's cap hit unnecessarily, but now you've opened the door to doing the same thing with Yakupov. You've already set the bench mark at 6 and that is a heck of a deal for top forwards when you look around the league. To try and nickel and dime 2 possible franchise players would be asinine.

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Oh good, we have the guy who said that "goals are all that matters" in a Taylor Hall thread.

No point in raising that RNH is in fact, a playmaker, who primarily gets his points from assists.

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09-20-2013, 11:46 AM
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Also, let's set the record straight: it is injury, not injuries. The same shoulder problem he has had since junior, so it is not even an injury he got in the NHL per se. People trying to pretend he is injury prone makes me really dismiss their opinion.

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How is that in any way a certainty?
Apparently, RNH was supposed to take a modest raise on a short term deal and, should he excel, expect to be rewarded with another modest raise and a longer term.

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this is a big risk for the oilers. definitely paying for potential.. If he can stay healthy he will earn the money they are paying him.

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Also, let's set the record straight: it is injury, not injuries. The same shoulder problem he has had since junior, so it is not even an injury he got in the NHL per se. People trying to pretend he is injury prone makes me really dismiss their opinion.
What's the difference between suffering different injuries vs. the re-aggravation of the same injury over and over. If you're injured, you're injured.

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This kadri quote is pretty funny

@reporterchris: Nazem Kadri on the #oilers: "I guess they don't believe in bridge contracts."

Clearly Nazem doesn't realize he's half the player nuge is

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Also, let's set the record straight: it is injury, not injuries. The same shoulder problem he has had since junior, so it is not even an injury he got in the NHL per se. People trying to pretend he is injury prone makes me really dismiss their opinion.
One injury or multiple injuries....if you're hurt a lot, you ARE injury prone.

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This kadri quote is pretty funny

@reporterchris: Nazem Kadri on the #oilers: "I guess they don't believe in bridge contracts."

Clearly Nazem doesn't realize he's half the player nuge is
Kadri scored 2 goals last year?

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What's the difference between suffering different injuries vs. the re-aggravation of the same injury over and over. If you're injured, you're injured.
Right, but it doesn't say anything about future health projections. Marion Gaborik is injury prone. Ales Hemsky is injury prone. Even Sidney Crosby is injury prone. RNH has one injury that wasn't properly dealt with until this summer.

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Kadri scored 2 goals last year?
Kadri=Gagner at best

who, coincidentally, got a "bridge contract" after his ELC

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This kadri quote is pretty funny

@reporterchris: Nazem Kadri on the #oilers: "I guess they don't believe in bridge contracts."

Clearly Nazem doesn't realize he's half the player nuge is
Clearly you don't realize Kadri is twice the player RHN is, currently anyways.

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Also, let's set the record straight: it is injury, not injuries. The same shoulder problem he has had since junior, so it is not even an injury he got in the NHL per se. People trying to pretend he is injury prone makes me really dismiss their opinion.
again same injury 3 times and makes it injuries. He has been shutdown the last two seasons? Right?

And he re aggravated the injury three times at the nhl level, right?

or are we all looking at the wrong player? He has misses parts of two seasons

from tsn injury list

2013/09/19 Signed by the Edmonton Oilers to a seven-year contract extension.
2013/04/27 Missed the last 5 regular season games (shoulder injury).
2013/04/21 Shoulder injury, remainder of the regular season.
2013/03/25 Missed 2 games (illness).
2013/03/23 Illness, injured reserve.
2013/03/20 Illness, day-to-day.
2013/02/09 Missed 1 game (shoulder injury).
2013/02/06 Shoulder injury, day-to-day.
2013/01/06 Recalled from Oklahoma City (AHL).
2012/09/15 Assigned to Oklahoma City (AHL).
2012/02/25 Missed 7 games (sprained shoulder).
2012/02/21 Sprained shoulder, injured reserve.
2012/02/08 Sprained shoulder, day-to-day.
2012/02/04 Missed 13 games (upper body injury).
2012/01/03 Upper body injury, injured reserve.
2011/07/02 Signed by the Edmonton Oilers to a three-year entry-level contract.


Same injury getting injured over and over again is a fact that is hard to argue. All oiler fans are praying they give it time to heal this time

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Half was unfair 66 percent the player nuge is, I'm a kadri fan too. I don't wanna turn this into a kadri thread but I see him closer to eberle then gagner, high shooting percentage will drop his point totals combined with tougher comps, but still a good player.


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I have seen stretches of elite play from RNH. Nothing consistent mind you. I see nothing wrong with Oilers management taking a risk and hedging long term a long term risk. This in my mind is no different than a company writing a "call option", say for a barrel of oil. You've seen past trends in player development, you've seen the "sparks" of extremely high play; you are hedging on consistency and durability.


I'd say the Oilers have a fairly decent chance at profiting. In three years this could be the steal of steals, especially if the NHL continues to expand their revenue sources (potential expansion? champions league?)

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Clearly you don't realize Kadri is twice the player RHN is, currently anyways.
Heck why not four times the player? After all he shot over 16% last year to Nuge's 4%

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People see his 4 goals last year and think he's a bust or something. For Oiler fans who watched his every game, we know how many scoring chances he had, how many posts he hit, and shots that just missed the net by inches, and how greatly he improved his defensive game while facing much tougher competition. And we all know a big reason for his lower points total most likely had to do with his bum shoulder.

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Kadri has 63 career points in 99 games. Nugent-Hopkins has 76 points in 102.

Leafs fans give me a ****ing break with the Kadri> RNH bullcrap. It's complete utter nonsense.

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Clearly you don't realize Kadri is twice the player RHN is, currently anyways.
Yes the .63ppg 23 year old star kadri

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Same injury getting injured over and over again is a fact that is hard to argue. All oiler fans are praying they give it time to heal this time
FYI

RNH's injury (and Hall's) don't heal.

Ever.

Your options are play through the pain, or get the damage surgically repaired.

The success rate for 18-22 year old's, with this type of injury, is over 95%.

For whatever it is worth, RNH is already cleared, medically, to play. I imagine he is being sat till November to catch up on conditioning and strength training he was limited with during his surgical recovery.

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Kadri=Gagner at best

who, coincidentally, got a "bridge contract" after his ELC
Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish. I'm not saying that Kadri is the better player, but he did put up nearly PPG numbers as a 22 year old. Give credit where credit is due, so far Nugent-Hopkins has not been able to produce at the same level as Kadri.

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Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish. I'm not saying that Kadri is the better player, but he did put up nearly PPG numbers as a 22 year old. Give credit where credit is due, so far Nugent-Hopkins has not been able to produce at the same level as Kadri.
RNH rookie season he puts up .84 PPG.

No where close to Nazem Kadri though.

Do you do any research at all? or does the VANCOUVER location blind you?

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Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish. I'm not saying that Kadri is the better player, but he did put up nearly PPG numbers as a 22 year old. Give credit where credit is due, so far Nugent-Hopkins has not been able to produce at the same level as Kadri.
Kadri did it in his 22 years old season

maybe wait a couple years and see what RNH does at 22

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Yes the .63ppg 23 year old star kadri
Kadri had a 0.917 PPG last season, what the hell is the point of comparing career numbers of a young player that just broke out last season?

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