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09-20-2013, 12:15 PM
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Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish. I'm not saying that Kadri is the better player, but he did put up nearly PPG numbers as a 22 year old. Give credit where credit is due, so far Nugent-Hopkins has not been able to produce at the same level as Kadri.
Nuge posted almost ppg numbers in his first season in nhl as an 18 years. Try again

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09-20-2013, 12:16 PM
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Kadri had a 0.917 PPG last season, what the hell is the point of comparing career numbers of a young player that just broke out last season?
You know the answer...one side of the debate falls down if they don't.

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Folks... let's please keep this thread sane. No warnings happening from here on out.

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Kadri did it in his 22 years old season

maybe wait a couple years and see what RNH does at 22
Sure, no problem. Like I said, I'm not saying Kadri will be the better player, or have the better career. I'll repeat, give credit where credit is due. To say that Kadri is half the player that RNH is is ridiculous.

I have no personal stake in this, I am not a fan of either team, but that statement is a stupid one by an Oilers fan.

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09-20-2013, 12:18 PM
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Sure, no problem. Like I said, I'm not saying Kadri will be the better player, or have the better career. I'll repeat, give credit where credit is due. To say that Kadri is half the player that RNH is is ridiculous.

I have no personal stake in this, I am not a fan of either team, but that statement is a stupid one by an Oilers fan.
As is the statement that RNH hasn't come close to Kadri.

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FYI

RNH's injury (and Hall's) don't heal.

Ever.

Your options are play through the pain, or get the damage surgically repaired.

The success rate for 18-22 year old's, with this type of injury, is over 95%.

For whatever it is worth, RNH is already cleared, medically, to play. I imagine he is being sat till November to catch up on conditioning and strength training he was limited with during his surgical recovery.
I hope Nuge comes back stronger than ever but to suggest that he's being held back until November AND suggesting that he's healed is just plain wrong.

If he needs conditioning (game legs) it would take him a week or two max. He's a young guy.

His shoulder will not be ready until November. Meaning...it's not done healing.

I really hope they got it right this time because if they didnt, this reoccurring shoulder injury could really mess up his career.

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09-20-2013, 12:19 PM
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Based on GVT last season Kadri ranked 34th with 10.6 and RNH ranked 528th with 0.8. So Kadri is technically 13.25x the player RNH is at the moment.

Esp. with RNH starting the season on the shelf. I like RNH's potential, but i'm not sure how a bridge contract works for one and not the other at this point.


But i feel they awarded the big contract early to take the pressure off of RNH to return early from his ongoing shoulder rehab. The Oilers should be confident that a healthy RNH is easily worth $6mil per long-term.

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Kadri had a 0.917 PPG last season, what the hell is the point of comparing career numbers of a young player that just broke out last season?
And RNH had a .84 ppg at 18 including playing with bad shoulder parts of that season and all of last but all this is ignored lets see what Rnh puts up at age 22

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Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish. I'm not saying that Kadri is the better player, but he did put up nearly PPG numbers as a 22 year old. Give credit where credit is due, so far Nugent-Hopkins has not been able to produce at the same level as Kadri.
Kadri - 22 years old
RNH- 18 years old

Ill give credit to Kadri, that was a great year. But RNH was 3 developmental years younger than Kadri. Which for young players is huge. Take a look at recent #1 picks and where they are now versus 3 years ago. Its night and day.

Its like saying Gagner is equal/better than Yakupov/ Huberdeau/ Seguin/Galchenyuk etc etc because he put up 36 in 48 points this year, meanhwile those young players put up similar (but slightly lower numbers)

(Gagner is also only one year older than Kadri)

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This kadri quote is pretty funny

@reporterchris: Nazem Kadri on the #oilers: "I guess they don't believe in bridge contracts."

Clearly Nazem doesn't realize he's half the player nuge is
I can understand why edm did this. First round pick and their only real centre with 1st line potential (we'll see how hall does at centre)

But come on with this kadri vs RNH

I'd take kadri over RNH right now all day er' day but keep trying to justify the risk of this contract. I love how hard canadian teams go at each other about each other's contracts makes me lol every time.

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I hope Nuge comes back stronger than ever but to suggest that he's being held back until November AND suggesting that he's healed is just plain wrong.

If he needs conditioning (game legs) it would take him a week or two max. He's a young guy.

His shoulder will not be ready until November. Meaning...it's not done healing.

I really hope they got it right this time because if they didnt, this reoccurring shoulder injury could really mess up his career.
Nuge would not have been allowed to take off his "no-contact" jersey, during camp, if he did not have medical clearance.

So, yes, I am 100% sure he is medically cleared for play.

The question is whether he is game ready or not.

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And RNH had a .84 ppg at 18 including playing with bad shoulder parts of that season and all of last but all this is ignored lets see what Rnh puts up at age 22
If he has bad shoulder at 18, It doesn't sounds too promising. This is huge gamble we'll see what happens. I think Edmonton should have waited one year more, just like Avalanche should have waited with Landeskog. Too early for these massive contracts.

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09-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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Why? Because of where each player was drafted in the 1st round? Draft status means ****, 1st overall picks can bust and 7th overall picks can flourish.
And how many 1st overalls have busted in the last, say, 25 years? Two? Maybe three?

Last real #1 bust I can think of was Stefan in 1999. Unless you do something dumb and pick a goalie with your first overall, #1 picks these days are about as close to a sure thing as you can get.

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Also, let's set the record straight: it is injury, not injuries. The same shoulder problem he has had since junior, so it is not even an injury he got in the NHL per se. People trying to pretend he is injury prone makes me really dismiss their opinion.
I'd rather a player get injured in a bunch of different places (a la Lupul) as that is just bad luck that he keeps getting injured. Injuring the same thing over and over again would be considered injury prone and would worry me more than the former as the more it gets injured the more likely it is to reinjure...

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Clearly you don't realize Kadri is twice the player RHN is, currently anyways.
How many NHL points did Kadri have as a 20 year old again ? I can't remember.

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How many NHL points did Kadri have as a 20 year old again ? I can't remember.
Or an 19 year old? 18 year old?

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Nuge posted almost ppg numbers in his first season in nhl as an 18 years. Try again
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And RNH had a .84 ppg at 18 including playing with bad shoulder parts of that season and all of last but all this is ignored lets see what Rnh puts up at age 22
He sure did, and if we were having this same conversation last season it would certainly be a different one. I'm going to clarify something, so that Oilers fans here can stop melting down here: I truly believe that RNH will be a better player than Kadri, and that he will have a better career. As I've said a number of times now, give credit where credit is due. Kadri put up PPG numbers as a 22 year old, it isn't fair to claim that he is "half the player RNH is". How you quantify that I'm not even sure, what I am sure of is the recent success Kadri has had vs. the recent lack of success RNH has had. I realize there is an age difference, and that a couple of years for a young player is huge. This isn't about me comapring Kadri vs. RNH though, I'm trying to defend against a rather ludicrous statement, really.


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I can understand why edm did this. First round pick and their only real centre with 1st line potential (we'll see how hall does at centre)

But come on with this kadri vs RNH

I'd take kadri over RNH right now all day er' day but keep trying to justify the risk of this contract. I love how hard canadian teams go at each other about each other's contracts makes me lol every time.
You just signed Clarkson and Bolland for close to 10 million dollars.

Quick straw poll, Clarkson and Bolland for (too lazy for math) 9.5 million ish, or Hall and RNH for 12?

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How many NHL points did Kadri have as a 20 year old again ? I can't remember.
Around half of the nuge in around half of the games. That was in the NHL and he put up 41 Pts in 44 games in the ahl that year


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You just signed Clarkson and Bolland for close to 10 million dollars.

Quick straw poll, Clarkson and Bolland for (too lazy for math) 9.5 million ish, or Hall and RNH for 12?
First off we didn't sign bolland, we traded for him. Second of all he comes off the books this year. Regarding your comparison, does the nuge/hall combo come with a top 5 pick as per usual?

Here's a comparison for you... Would you rather kessel/Lupul/jvr at 14 mill or nuge and hall for 12?

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Nuge would not have been allowed to take off his "no-contact" jersey, during camp, if he did not have medical clearance.

So, yes, I am 100% sure he is medically cleared for play.

The question is whether he is game ready or not.
So you think he needs an entire month of the season to get game ready?

Is he playing in any pre season games?

The "no contact" jersey coming off in camp means nothing if he's not playing in pre season games.

If he was cleared to play he'd be playing. You don't sit out a guy for 13-14 games if he's medically cleared.

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Oh man Kadri > RNH? People would honestly rather have him long term? I just don't even classic Leafs

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Ray Ferraro came on TSN1050 and thrashed Oilers GM for handing out this contract, and rightfully so.

Before he did that, he did appreciate future of RNH, and there is no doubting that really. But the points he made were solid:

RNH wasn`t going to be a RFA until next fall, and in worst case scenario; he would hold out. Let`s face it: even with a point a game season (in injury ridden season nonetheless), he wasn't going to command more than what he already got in this contract as a RFA. At this point, it is pretty much a given that Yakupov is getting 6 million as well.

A little premature to hand out this contract.

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I really don't like this deal for the oilers. 6 million a year for one good season and yakupov is going to want the same deal. He's a good player but I think the oilers could have waited a year to see if he was a 6 million dollar player.

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Around half of the nuge in around half of the games. That was in the NHL and he put up 41 Pts in 44 games in the ahl that year
What ? He had 19 points in 40 games, as a 20 year old.

Nuge hasn't even recorded an NHL point as a 20 year old yet.

Also nobody is talking about AHL points.

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You just signed Clarkson and Bolland for close to 10 million dollars.

Quick straw poll, Clarkson and Bolland for (too lazy for math) 9.5 million ish, or Hall and RNH for 12?
Talking about Leafs... to a Canucks fan.. and with wrong facts nonetheless. Leafs traded or Bolland; not signed him.

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