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09-20-2013, 02:36 PM
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Is there a chance that perhaps this forum consists of over 100,000 people who all have differing opinions, and maybe assuming that the whole of HF is contradicting itself is a bad idea?
I recognize some of the usernames, but thanks.

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Best case scenario he will turn out to be worth it.

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I recognize some of the usernames, but thanks.
So maybe find the contradictory posts and refute those rather than pinning it on all of us. Thanks.

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So maybe find the contradictory posts and refute those rather than pinning it on all of us. Thanks.
I'd rather not spend the next hour searching posts.

Sorry for offending you.


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09-20-2013, 02:46 PM
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Whats the problem with generalizing here? This is an open forum to discuss contracts.

The general consensus among non Oilers fans of Halls new contract was that he couldn't be judged on his offense because hey, shortened season.

And now on this same open forum we're hearing the exact opposite argument for Nugent-Hopkins and his 4 goal season. Also some of those are suggesting Kadri is much more proven a player based on the merit of that shortened season.

So whats its going to be? Shortened season ok for some players and not for all ?

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09-20-2013, 02:48 PM
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Do people not see the risk of offer sheets btw. We don't sign him every team and their aunt would be after a #1c.
So the Oilers could just match? No one is going to throw $7+ million at this guy.

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09-20-2013, 02:50 PM
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So the Oilers could just match? No one is going to throw $7+ million at this guy.
*checks to see if Feaster is still employed*

*notices he now works with Burke*

*remembers how mad Burke was about the Dustin Penner offersheet*

*Thinks about 6.5M offer sheet for ROR written by Feaster*


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09-20-2013, 02:53 PM
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Playing hardball with your core is how you lose key players for zero assets. The Oilers are overpaying him for a year or two for potentially massive savings later. It was the same with the Hall deal.

And yea, Yakupov will get 6 million as well. It'll be well worth it. We (and other NW division fans) know what we have.
Yes we do. You have an incredibly fast and skill team that has great individual talent. However as a team you lack in many areas. My only issue if you also sign Nail and Schultz to large contracts is you have a core of players taking up a significant portion of your cap that have a very similar skill set. Its great to have these players and any team would want them, however to have a team of only fast, skill players would worry me.

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IMO MacT didnt give this contract out, Katz did. MacT looked kinda shakey in the presser, and was sighing alot.

Until the Oilers get a bonafide enforcer, I don't know if these deals are going to pan out, though they should.

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Yes we do. You have an incredibly fast and skill team that has great individual talent. However as a team you lack in many areas. My only issue if you also sign Nail and Schultz to large contracts is you have a core of players taking up a significant portion of your cap that have a very similar skill set. Its great to have these players and any team would want them, however to have a team of only fast, skill players would worry me.
Young skilled point producing forwards are the hardest type of player to acquire. Are you suggesting that the Oilers trade one or more of them for a different type of player? Do tell, what sort of a deal are you thinking they can make?

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This kadri quote is pretty funny

@reporterchris: Nazem Kadri on the #oilers: "I guess they don't believe in bridge contracts."

Clearly Nazem doesn't realize he's half the player nuge is
What a dbag, shut up Nazem.

These kids are first overall picks.

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Kadri is significantly better than RNH right now, come on guys, take off the hater glasses. People need to watch the games

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Young skilled point producing forwards are the hardest type of player to acquire. Are you suggesting that the Oilers trade one or more of them for a different type of player? Do tell, what sort of a deal are you thinking they can make?
The Oilers need more skating refrigerators. Haven't you been listening to what the collective hockey world has been trying to beat into our skulls?

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this is turning into a "my dad can beat up your dad" thread. why are you trying to hijack this thread?

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Kadri is significantly better than RNH right now, come on guys. take off the hater glasses
Errr, he's not though. He's had one really good shortened season. And shortened seasons don't count, am I doing this right???

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Kadri is significantly better than RNH right now, come on guys. take off the hater glasses
Doesn't matter who is better then who. You don't comment on another players contract, well, not publicly, any ways.

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Kadri is significantly better than RNH right now, come on guys. take off the hater glasses
Cool, if Kadri breaks out the ~$4m you saved with a bridge contract will be more than covered by the large contract he'll get at the end of the bridge deal.

For the Oilers, it makes a lot of sense to spend a little more right now (when they're not contenders) to save more in the future (when they hope to be contenders).

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I'm not even sure how that quote can be misconstrued as Kadri even attempting to compare himself to RNH, or anyone, to be honest. He's talking about the contracts. It's pretty clear Edmonton isn't interested in bridge contracts, at least not for their young guns. Why does making that observation make Kadri a villain?

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Young skilled point producing forwards are the hardest type of player to acquire. Are you suggesting that the Oilers trade one or more of them for a different type of player? Do tell, what sort of a deal are you thinking they can make?
No I'm not as I'm not an oilers fan, however if I was then yes. Look at what Boston got for Seguin, not saying its easy to trade a player like that however a player like Eriksson IMO would really help the oilers or a top 2 dman would be a godsent for you guys.

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IMO MacT didnt give this contract out, Katz did. MacT looked kinda shakey in the presser, and was sighing alot.

Until the Oilers get a bonafide enforcer, I don't know if these deals are going to pan out, though they should.
Your line of thinking is that unless the Oilers get a 4th line face puncher to play 20 games at 6 mininutes a nigh, none of their players will be able to succeed and score ppg season.

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this is a big risk for the oilers. definitely paying for potential.. If he can stay healthy he will earn the money they are paying him.
How is it a risk when we've seen him dominate as a rookie and even while recovering from shoulder surgery he's been buzzing in training camp? Oilers fans and management are well aware of what he can do and what he will do. A Bruins fan? Obviously not.

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I'm not even sure how that quote can be misconstrued as Kadri even attempting to compare himself to RNH, or anyone, to be honest. He's talking about the contracts. It's pretty clear Edmonton isn't interested in bridge contracts, at least not for their young guns. Why does making that observation make Kadri a villain?
I don't know if you missed that whole "Kadri Is An Evil Greedy Moneysucker" PR campaign that Dreger launched during his contract negotiation??

I'm obviously paraphrasing here, but it was pretty blatant. He might be a little resentful of the fact that he just tried to negotiate his way past a bridge contract and essentially had the biggest media player in Canada sicked on him.

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Doesn't matter who is better then who. You don't comment on another players contract, well, not publicly, any ways.
Especially considering they do give bridge deals, just look at Gagner and Petry for example. When you get drafted 1st overall things are a little different.

And yes, Kadri had a great year last year. I'm not denying that at all.

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I'm not even sure how that quote can be misconstrued as Kadri even attempting to compare himself to RNH, or anyone, to be honest. He's talking about the contracts. It's pretty clear Edmonton isn't interested in bridge contracts, at least not for their young guns. Why does making that observation make Kadri a villain?
Because he's wrong and ignorant.

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Id take Kadri over "The Nuge" any day of the week when factoring in contracts, production and health.

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