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09-21-2013, 05:17 AM
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I love Hansen but I'm not sure where he fits going forward. D. Sedin, Burrows, Kassian, Booth, and Higgins... leaves 1 third line spot and 2 fourth line spots.

Shinkaruk/Gaunce/Hovat/Jensen should all be pushing for spots by next year, and unless we trade someone else, Hansen might be expendable. I doubt he wants a reduced role, and I don't see any of the above forwards (1st sentence) as 4th liners.

...forgot about Shroeder and where he fits as well.
The cap is liable to rise toward at least 70M, likely higher by two or three years. If the kids have proven enough. It is not unrealistic to think Higgins or even Hansen are shifted to the fourth line, with it being of little consequence to the team's cap.

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Shinkaruk - Kesler - Burrows
Jensen - Horvat - Hansen
Higgins - Gaunce - ?

Assuming everyone pans out. That may be a distinct possibility for us in the future. Granted, I could see a trade happening, especially if Jensen continues to struggle.

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09-21-2013, 05:28 AM
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Guy is an elite blue collar player.

Pretty damn productive on the ES too.

Should get $4-4.5m in UFA. Hoping Gillis can get him to sign between $3-3.5m, but expecting $3.5-4m.

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09-21-2013, 05:42 AM
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Guy is an elite blue collar player.

Pretty damn productive on the ES too.

Should get $4-4.5m in UFA. Hoping Gillis can get him to sign between $3-3.5m, but expecting $3.5-4m.
$4.5M is pushing it. Hansen's worth is most noteworthy in a depth role, a position that does not accompany that high a cap hit, regardless of how elite he may be. If his demands exceed $4M, we may end up looking elsewhere.

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09-21-2013, 08:10 AM
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All signings should be delayed until the end of the year. We know zip about Tortorella's actual use of players. Suppose he loves Hansen on the third line. Hansen flourishes there, all season. Does Hansen settle for being an elite third liner or seek better minutes elsewhere? Hopefully, this sort of thing doesn't happen but it might. Imagine you have run off ahead and signed Hansen to three million a year. That's big money for a guy that the coach regards as a third liner.

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09-21-2013, 09:46 AM
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Hansen and ''elite'' dont belong in the same sentence...

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09-21-2013, 10:54 AM
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Time for my semi-annual Hansen soapbox.

The narrative of Hansen on the 4th line or being replaced by prospects anytime soon is a little much. As for trading for or signing a replacement, one need only look at the past 5 years track record to figure out that ain't happening.

#36 carried this team's 3rd line the past 2+ seasons* and if it wasn't for the fact that the 3rd line needed carrying, he would have easily been in our top 6.

His real stats (pts/60, GF/60, GA/60) relative to his linemates are off the charts. Some examples from 2012-13 courtesy of behind the net:

Hansen PTS/60: 2.32 +/-/60: 1.06

Raymond (42% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.51 +/-: 0
Higgins (42% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.55 +/-: -0.67
Schroeder (21.4% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.07 +/-: 0
Roy (17% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.44

Its interesting how it was essentially either Raymond or Higgins patrolling the left wing with Hansen and yet their combined stats are far below his.

Similar situation at center - behind the net doesn't provide the granularity for the other 62% center ice time with Hansen but with Malhotra being 0, Lapierre 1.06, Ebbett 1.19, Kesler 2.13 and Henrik 2.34, you get the drift.

What would be interesting would be to evaluate all these linemates' stats with and w/o Hansen.

I have no idea what the market will bear but I do know that the Canucks cannot afford to lose a player like Hansen. Pretending otherwise is laughable.

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09-21-2013, 11:42 AM
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Time for my semi-annual Hansen soapbox.

The narrative of Hansen on the 4th line or being replaced by prospects anytime soon is a little much. As for trading for or signing a replacement, one need only look at the past 5 years track record to figure out that ain't happening.

#36 carried this team's 3rd line the past 2+ seasons* and if it wasn't for the fact that the 3rd line needed carrying, he would have easily been in our top 6.

His real stats (pts/60, GF/60, GA/60) relative to his linemates are off the charts. Some examples from 2012-13 courtesy of behind the net:

Hansen PTS/60: 2.32 +/-/60: 1.06

Raymond (42% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.51 +/-: 0
Higgins (42% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.55 +/-: -0.67
Schroeder (21.4% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.07 +/-: 0
Roy (17% with Hansen) Pts/60: 1.44

Its interesting how it was essentially either Raymond or Higgins patrolling the left wing with Hansen and yet their combined stats are far below his.

Similar situation at center - behind the net doesn't provide the granularity for the other 62% center ice time with Hansen but with Malhotra being 0, Lapierre 1.06, Ebbett 1.19, Kesler 2.13 and Henrik 2.34, you get the drift.

What would be interesting would be to evaluate all these linemates' stats with and w/o Hansen.

I have no idea what the market will bear but I do know that the Canucks cannot afford to lose a player like Hansen. Pretending otherwise is laughable.
Spot on. People like Hansen and I think they generally think of him as a 'solid, hard-working 3rd liner' but I really don't think most people realize what a massive offensive driver he's been at ES over the past two seasons.

His ES production over the past 2 years is only slightly behind Daniel Sedin's, and he's doing it from 2nd/3rd line minutes. He scored more ES points last year than the likes of Henrik Zetterberg. Hell, he only had 5 fewer ES points than Ovechkin did. He's basically been carrying whatever line he's been on.

Right now Hansen is a top-end 2nd line player who doesn't play the PP. Scores at a high-end 2nd line rate at ES, is great defensively, kills penalties. Irreplaceable for this team, and his signing is a major issue that needs to be sorted.

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09-21-2013, 12:02 PM
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Given that he already lives there in the offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if Winnipeg went hard after him.

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Given that he already lives there in the offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if Winnipeg went hard after him.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Clarkson-esque bidding war for him if he hits UFA, and he gets a $5 million/year long-term contract on the open market.

It's really important to get him locked up ASAP. Frankly I'd have his negotiation as a higher priority than the Sedins', because we know they want to stay and are going to stay. And other teams know that as well.

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I love Hansen but I'm not sure where he fits going forward.
That's the great thing about Hansen... he practically fits anywhere.

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Hansen is better than Burrows.

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Hansen is better than Burrows.
I wouldn't say that . The problem with Burrows these last couple years is , the coaches are micro managing his game too much. They don't let him mix it up with anyone anymore. They don't let him run his mouth. His play is too structured.

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Hansen and ''elite'' dont belong in the same sentence...
Hansen is elite defensively.

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Hansen is elite defensively.
His speed is elite.

Hell, his straight out effort is elite, if you can say that.

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That's the great thing about Hansen... he practically fits anywhere.
But does he even want to re-sign if there is a strong chance he fits into the bottom 6? He may want to test FA and see if he can hit a financial homerun or get 2nd line duties elsewhere. It's a very real possibility.

Also of note is his playoff production. He was good in the one run scoring 9 points in 25 games, but only 5 points in his other 33 playoff games. Not good.

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But does he even want to re-sign if there is a strong chance he fits into the bottom 6? He may want to test FA and see if he can hit a financial homerun or get 2nd line duties elsewhere. It's a very real possibility.

Also of note is his playoff production. He was good in the one run scoring 9 points in 25 games, but only 5 points in his other 33 playoff games. Not good.
I think we have to ignore playoff production as the whole team has been lousy at it. Kind of indicates more of an issue with the system rather than 18 skaters.

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09-21-2013, 04:42 PM
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Anybody think of Viktor Stalberg as a good comparable?

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Anybody think of Viktor Stalberg as a good comparable?
Hansen is superior defensively to Stalberg and more consistent offensively.

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Hansen is superior defensively to Stalberg and more consistent offensively.
Seems to fit with people's expectations for a 3m+ contract then.

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Hansen and ''elite'' dont belong in the same sentence...
Hansen like all Danes, is elite at drinking copious amount of beer.

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$4m might be tempting me to walk away, Booth $4m + $4m = $8m to spend. Tough call, I love Hansen's game.
I'd get rid of Booth this year if he doesn't work out.

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Hansen is superior defensively to Stalberg and more consistent offensively.
Stalberg is bigger, faster (at least with the puck) and more dynamic. I think it's a good comparison.

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He really came out last year. Wouldn't be surprised if he breaks 50 this year.

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He's a guy that everyone can learn from and improve by just watching him. Give him what he wants, and they can use the money that they buyout Booth with, to re-sign Hansen.

Though, If my projections are correct. Corrado and Tanev will jump ahead of Bieksa at the end of the season, and we can trade Bieksa in the off season. Burrows can also go, if Kassian turns into a fit with the Twins.

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He really came out last year. Wouldn't be surprised if he breaks 50 this year.
I think he's not going to get any better offensively. Really like him and I would love to be proven wrong but I don't think he'll score 50.

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