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09-22-2013, 12:53 AM
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Pre-season. I will reserve judgement for games that matter. However, kudos to Bournival for possibly working his way onto an NHL roster to start the season. I didn't see that coming.

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Lol I thought we traded Bournival
LOL me too, I forgot that O'Byrne was even our own player. So confused after Bournival's performance tonight

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His game reminds me of Dominic Moore for some reasons.
He reminds me of Travis Moen when he was our leading goalscorer for like 10 games.

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09-22-2013, 02:38 AM
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Not looking like the worst trade.

Bournival making it a case for himself.
OB plain sucked. It was impossible to lose a trade when you trade him away.

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Well, if there is one guy that can force O'Byrne to get a mean streak, it's Roy.

Roy does not digest halfassed well.

In retrospect though, good trade.

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Well, if there is one guy that can force O'Byrne to get a mean streak, it's Roy.

Roy does not digest halfassed well.

In retrospect though, good trade.
Just one problem though. O'Byrne now plays in the KHL.

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09-22-2013, 09:44 AM
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It was a good trade at the time and it looks even better now. O'Byrne was so overrated just because he was big.

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LOL, gave me a heart attack. Thought we traded these two again and that we got back O'Byrne.

No idea how Bournival will end up, but he's looking good this year.

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Just one problem though. O'Byrne now plays in the KHL.
Oh really.

Wow, I missed that one.

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I just love Bournival! I was so pissed when we didn't draft him this yr. This is a huge steal in my opinion. I remember this summer during the NHL Combine he was the fittest player and dominated in most of the the categories. The TSN article at the time said they were very impressed by him. He also happens to be a very smart kid in school. Straight A student type of guy so he definitely has his head screwed on right.
Love it when I'm right.

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09-22-2013, 10:07 AM
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Oh really.

Wow, I missed that one.

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He also played in Toronto

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His game reminds me of Dominic Moore for some reasons.
I thought he looked like Pyatt before this preseason but it seems he's got a better shot/offensive touch. I can see the Moore comparison but Moore likes to carry the puck for long periods of time and great on faceoffs.

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Looking not so bad is probably a better statement at this point.

Trading a 2nd round pick + 1st to move up a few spots in the late 1st round is perhaps better left unmentioned if we're looking at positives... Drafting is all Timmins + his staff.
Timmins scouts and tells Gauthier what he thinks of each guy. But Gauthier said when Timmins described Tinordi to him, and then he saw him for himself, he identified Tinordi as the guy he wanted.

Thus why they traded up. You don't trade up in the first unless the GM is about it.

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09-22-2013, 10:53 AM
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The much maligned Gauthier made at least as many good player personnel moves as bad ones. I liked his getting rid of Cammalleri in a favorable trade, getting value for Gill and AKost, enticing Emelin to leave the KHL, and bringing up Paciorettty and Subban (not to mention the O'Byrne trade). There were others. His choice of coaches wasn't so hot. The fact that the Habs finished 28th a year ago turned out to be lucky (no credit to Gauthier) although I always felt that they were a lot better than that.

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The much maligned Gauthier made at least as many good player personnel moves as bad ones. I liked his getting rid of Cammalleri in a favorable trade, getting value for Gill and AKost, enticing Emelin to leave the KHL, and bringing up Paciorettty and Subban (not to mention the O'Byrne trade). There were others. His choice of coaches wasn't so hot. The fact that the Habs finished 28th a year ago turned out to be lucky (no credit to Gauthier) although I always felt that they were a lot better than that.
Cammy trade was good. Getting rid of AK was dumb as hell IMO. Said he wanted to stay and would take a discount to do so. Good for 20 goals and a physical game, defensive game improved a lot under JM. Emelin came because he wanted to, Pac and Subban came up because they played good enough to deserve it.

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Geez. Thought we re-traded the players back to each other... Almost gave me a heart attack.

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Geez. Thought we re-traded the players back to each other... Almost gave me a heart attack.
Hahaha

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Looking not so bad is probably a better statement at this point.

Trading a 2nd round pick + 1st to move up a few spots in the late 1st round is perhaps better left unmentioned if we're looking at positives... Drafting is all Timmins + his staff.
Then why people praise Bergevin for Mccaron and co?

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Timmins scouts and tells Gauthier what he thinks of each guy. But Gauthier said when Timmins described Tinordi to him, and then he saw him for himself, he identified Tinordi as the guy he wanted.

Thus why they traded up. You don't trade up in the first unless the GM is about it.
Be it Gauthier or any GM, if the head scout pushes for a player and vouches for them they trade up. Just have to watch the many draft behind the scenes/mic'd up shows from other NHL teams. IMO actually suggesting this as a feat for him puts Gauthier's tenure into perspective. The vast majority of his 'success' derives from TImmins and his amateur scouting crew that is still with the team for a reason. In terms of pro-scouting, what Gauthier was heavily in charge of, the results are mediocre at best with Cammalleri+Ramo/Bourque+2nd being the headliner.

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Then why people praise Bergevin for Mccaron and co?
Who knows, Timmins is the director of scouting and he and his staff does the amateur scouting work. Even Bergevin has praised Timmins for it...makes no sense to praise the GM for drafting any of Galchenyuk/Pacioretty/Subban/McDonagh/Tinordi/Markov/Gallagher/Plekanec/etc on the team.


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LOL, nice to see this thread resurface. But, as of now, Bournival hasn't done squat for Habs. I'm waiting first.

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Be it Gauthier or any GM, if the head scout pushes for a player and vouches for them they trade up. Just have to watch the many draft behind the scenes/mic'd up shows from other NHL teams. IMO actually suggesting this as a feat for him puts Gauthier's tenure into perspective. The vast majority of his 'success' derives from TImmins and his amateur scouting crew that is still with the team for a reason. In terms of pro-scouting, what Gauthier was heavily in charge of, the results are mediocre at best with Cammalleri+Ramo/Bourque+2nd being the headliner.



Who knows, Timmins is the director of scouting and he and his staff does the amateur scouting work. Even Bergevin has praised Timmins for it...makes no sense to praise the GM for drafting any of Galchenyuk/Pacioretty/Subban/McDonagh/Tinordi/Markov/Gallagher/Plekanec/etc on the team.
Mediocre at best? Being able to get value for a ridiculously overpaid Cammalleri is good in itself. I'm not saying that to defend Gauthier, but the Cammy trade wasn't one of his bad moves.

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Then why people praise Bergevin for Mccaron and co?
Well they are wrong if they do. Head scouts and scouts know who those guys are. GM count on his head scout to tell him how great he thinks that or this pick is in order to make a move.

So in an event where a GM moves up and deals to pick a player, praise the GM for moving up.....but praise the head scout for the actual pick.

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I read this and my heart sank.

Read it all wrong.

So relieved.

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Mediocre at best? Being able to get value for a ridiculously overpaid Cammalleri is good in itself. I'm not saying that to defend Gauthier, but the Cammy trade wasn't one of his bad moves.
Indeed, it was arguably his best move. As of today, it is still mediocre at best.

The 'ridiculously overpaid' Cammalleri still doing what is ultimately expected from him - put up points. He has 24 goals/ 51 points in 72 games with the Flames and likely will be traded this deadline for at least a 2nd round pick just based on his playoff history and expiring contract.

Bourque has 3 more years left on his deal and has 12 goals/21 points in 65 games + equally inconsistent not only in terms of scoring but physical play/engagement.

Ramo (penciled in as Flames starter) / 2nd (Fucale) is a wash right now. Tough to predict how this will pan out and frankly not the key parts of the deal. Plus points for Gauthier for getting a 2nd that ended up being in the 30s. Plus points for Gauthier for getting Ramo in the first place.

That's where I'd give credit. Cammy/Bourque swap? I think people are overrating Bourque's value to the team and underrating Cammy's abilities while overstating his 'cancer' traits.

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It was a good trade at the time and it looks even better now. O'Byrne was so overrated just because he was big.
Luckily, this fan base is no longer obsessed with size.



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