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09-21-2013, 03:22 PM
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So are we thinking this is looking the most likely final roster?

FORWARDS
Marcus Johansson ($2.000m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Mathieu Perreault ($1.050m) / Tom Wilson ($1.294m)
Jason Chimera ($1.750m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Mike Green ($6.083m)
John Erskine ($1.963m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jack Hillen ($0.700m) / Tomas Kundratek ($0.550m)
Steven Oleksy ($0.542m) /
GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Michal Neuvirth ($2.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,353,462; BONUSES: $200,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $146,538

Sure would be nice to have that extra $1.5M or so that our the backup goalie is eating up.

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09-21-2013, 07:21 PM
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So are we thinking this is looking the most likely final roster?

FORWARDS
Marcus Johansson ($2.000m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Mathieu Perreault ($1.050m) / Tom Wilson ($1.294m)
Jason Chimera ($1.750m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Mike Green ($6.083m)
John Erskine ($1.963m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jack Hillen ($0.700m) / Tomas Kundratek ($0.550m)
Steven Oleksy ($0.542m) /
GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Michal Neuvirth ($2.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,353,462; BONUSES: $200,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $146,538

Sure would be nice to have that extra $1.5M or so that our the backup goalie is eating up.
Yeah, to say nothing of the extra $2M we're paying our 4RW. No knock on Ward as a player, but it's just crazy.

And I'd rather see Alzner, Orlov, Hillen/Erskine on that left side, but...

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09-21-2013, 07:53 PM
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So are we thinking this is looking the most likely final roster?

FORWARDS
Marcus Johansson ($2.000m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Mathieu Perreault ($1.050m) / Tom Wilson ($1.294m)
Jason Chimera ($1.750m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Mike Green ($6.083m)
John Erskine ($1.963m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jack Hillen ($0.700m) / Tomas Kundratek ($0.550m)
Steven Oleksy ($0.542m) /
GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Michal Neuvirth ($2.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,353,462; BONUSES: $200,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $146,538

Sure would be nice to have that extra $1.5M or so that our the backup goalie is eating up.
No my friend, if you ask some around here our goaltending situation is perfect! Just check last page of "Johansson re-signed" thread.

Also, i'm in agreement with Cali here, i'd rather see Orlov.

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09-21-2013, 07:59 PM
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Yeah, to say nothing of the extra $2M we're paying our 4RW. No knock on Ward as a player, but it's just crazy.

And I'd rather see Alzner, Orlov, Hillen/Erskine on that left side, but...
Except he's gonna be 3RW pretty quickly and one of the top playoff forwards as usual. That 4th line is built more to shutdown caliber than any other line. The 3rd line is the real 4th line as it has to be sheltered to death to be effective.

Neuvirth, on the other hand, is a 2.5 million dollar benchwarmer. You could have Greiss, Khudobin, or even Richard Bachmann on a two way deal in that spot. The only difference aside from the $$$ savings is that you'd have a better goalie warming the bench.

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09-21-2013, 10:15 PM
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ward: tied for the team playoff lead in scoring last season and tied for 5th the season before that. he is worth his money. this is not matt Hendricks we are talking about.

neuvirth: is a waste of money if he plays 20 games and gets traded in the off season. expensive insurance at the very least. if he ends up playing 40 or more games or wins a playoff series or more, he is a steal. let it play out and lets see.

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What about trying Laich at 2LD

I feel like it's worth a shot.

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ward: tied for the team playoff lead in scoring last season and tied for 5th the season before that. he is worth his money. this is not matt Hendricks we are talking about.
Eh, let's not overstate what he's done. Chimmer has more playoff points than Ward over the past two years, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt as a guy who steps up in the playoffs.

It occurred to me recently that Ward has been relegated to the 4th line by Boudreau, Hunter, and Oates. Perhaps there's a reason for that

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What about trying Laich at 2LD

I feel like it's worth a shot.
I would not mind seeing it for a game or two. I did not like Laich's contract from day one. And the first thing I always get is "He can play every position"

I still see him as over paid. He is a jack of all trades and a master of none making big bucks on the 3rd line. He is a luxury that a team that cant seem to find a steady 2C or 2LD should not be paying for.

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Eh, let's not overstate what he's done. Chimmer has more playoff points than Ward over the past two years, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt as a guy who steps up in the playoffs.

It occurred to me recently that Ward has been relegated to the 4th line by Boudreau, Hunter, and Oates. Perhaps there's a reason for that
Interesting points. That also raise my concerns about the Fehr experiment. He has his best showing in years at 3RW, but now he's 4C??? Just feels like an undeserved demotion in the name of... I'm not sure what.

Now if Matty P. Is trade bait and 16 is looking like 3C, sure maybe but that's just me speculatin'.

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It's not likely a demotion since he'll end up with more minutes if Oates gives him more PK time (he's sounded like he wants to use him more). And even if he doesn't end up with more PK time, the difference between lines 3 and 4 should be less than a minute per game if they do it right. Don't get hung up on line numbers.

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It's not likely a demotion since he'll end up with more minutes if Oates gives him more PK time (he's sounded like he wants to use him more). And even if he doesn't end up with more PK time, the difference between lines 3 and 4 should be less than a minute per game if they do it right. Don't get hung up on line numbers.
Well I'm also thinking of production. With a playmaking-ish center like 85, he could likely contribute 15 or more. At center with 25 and 42, we lose that. Until I see our top 2 lines (at least) dominate offensively, I'm not convinced we can afford to sacrifice those goals.


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I think 25-16-42 will be the de facto 3rd line at ES. I'd imagine Laich will get heavy special teams ice time, and Wilson and MP will play sparingly.

And that roster doesn't seem like it would be able to accommodate Kuznetsov's cap hit, reduced as it may be, unless they're really creative with paper transactions.

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Yeah, to say nothing of the extra $2M we're paying our 4RW. No knock on Ward as a player, but it's just crazy.

And I'd rather see Alzner, Orlov, Hillen/Erskine on that left side, but...
At least Ward will impact 82 games or thereabouts. Neuvirth will play, what, 20? And he is in the single most fungible roster spot in the NHL: backup goalie.

I might even prefer Theo if it meant an extra $1.5M in cap space. He's still jobless.

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At least Ward will impact 82 games or thereabouts. Neuvirth will play, what, 20? And he is in the single most fungible roster spot in the NHL: backup goalie.

I might even prefer Theo if it meant an extra $1.5M in cap space. He's still jobless.
Agree. Theo would be an interesting choice, actually.

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Most are writing off Volpatti if we need cap space.

Only, George has made an effort to acquire tougher players. If Wilson heads home lost after 9 games, we are going to be soft as butter upstairs.

Also, about dumping Volpatti and his .575M cap hit. It's not really a cap hit, more like a little tap. It just seems we can get more bang for our buck by moving someone else, and accumulate cap room for The Kuz or someone else. Like Orlov.

An injury may buy George time. I don't listen to reports on Laich after last years charades. He and George couldn't even get their stories straight on his surgery. Laich always sounds eternally optimistic.

I think Volpatti may make it down to Hershey if other teams collectively around the league don't have injuries to their tougher players.

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Most are writing off Volpatti if we need cap space.

Only, George has made an effort to acquire tougher players. If Wilson heads home lost after 9 games, we are going to be soft as butter upstairs.

Also, about dumping Volpatti and his .575M cap hit. It's not really a cap hit, more like a little tap. It just seems we can get more bang for our buck by moving someone else, and accumulate cap room for The Kuz or someone else. Like Orlov.

An injury may buy George time. I don't listen to reports on Laich after last years charades. He and George couldn't even get their stories straight on his surgery. Laich always sounds eternally optimistic.

I think Volpatti may make it down to Hershey if other teams collectively around the league don't have injuries to their tougher players.
I think Caps will trade Chim and that's the end of story.

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Eh, let's not overstate what he's done. Chimmer has more playoff points than Ward over the past two years, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt as a guy who steps up in the playoffs.

It occurred to me recently that Ward has been relegated to the 4th line by Boudreau, Hunter, and Oates. Perhaps there's a reason for that
I think chimera doesn't get near the criticism that ward does either. its also true that the caps would keep chimera for the same reason.

Its funny, caps fans seem to dismiss anything of value the team delivers in the regular season for their failure in the playoffs. yet, they also seem to dismiss players that are payed and deliver in the playoffs more than the regular season.

ward gets moved to 4 because of who is available on the top 3. come playoffs ward's ice time increases. go back and look at his last two playoffs in Nashville. same scenario.

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At least Ward will impact 82 games or thereabouts. Neuvirth will play, what, 20? And he is in the single most fungible roster spot in the NHL: backup goalie.
this is clearly where the disconnect is. McPhee clearly sees a bigger role for Neuvirth than a typical 20 game back up goalie. He has said as much. He sees a 1a/1b usage.

he also said that he would reevaluate after the season. if holtby holds the #1 job and stays healthy, neuvirth would be an expensive insurance policy. my view is that neuvirth was signed to play 35-40 games and be at least an option for as the playoff goalie.

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this is clearly where the disconnect is. McPhee clearly sees a bigger role for Neuvirth than a typical 20 game back up goalie. He has said as much. He sees a 1a/1b usage.

he also said that he would reevaluate after the season. if holtby holds the #1 job and stays healthy, neuvirth would be an expensive insurance policy. my view is that neuvirth was signed to play 35-40 games and be at least an option for as the playoff goalie.
Oates clearly doesn't see it as a 1a/1b situation, and he's the one that decides who plays.

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Another scenario that buys them time is Laich on the IR to start the season. By the time he comes off, Green will surely have taken his place and their cap situation will be fine.

Edit: I guess RH mentioned this too. It's not unrealistic.

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Laich would have to go on LTIR for it to provide any cap flexibillty.

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Its funny, caps fans seem to dismiss anything of value the team delivers in the regular season for their failure in the playoffs. yet, they also seem to dismiss players that are payed and deliver in the playoffs more than the regular season.
By far the single most infuriating thing about this board.

Guys like Ward, Chimera, Talbot, Bolland, Bickell that can be guaranteed to step up EVERY year even if they coast in the regular season are far more valuable than their skill or trade value would indicate. The constant drive to trade Ward and Chimera for "cap space" or some 3rd rounder or some regular season trinket (because that is all they would fetch) is completely infuriating just because of how indefensibly stupid it is on all levels.

Oh, but we can also marginalize and split hairs about their playoff performances so the fact that they can be counted to bring it every single year can be pushed aside more easily. Brilliant!

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Laich would have to go on LTIR for it to provide any cap flexibillty.
That's what I meant by IR. They've used it that way plenty of times before, so if he's not ready I don't see why not.

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That's what I meant by IR. They've used it that way plenty of times before, so if he's not ready I don't see why not.
That rules him out for about a month, though. There's not being ready and there's not being close to ready. Laich is practicing so it's hard to see that as an option unless he has another setback.

Given that Oates seems to want to move towards four very capable two-way lines Volpatti and perhaps Beagle seem like the most likely roster casualties. I'd like to see a good deal more of Latta in the final four games to see whether he can make a case as a depth center option at some point.

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