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09-22-2013, 03:15 PM
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Are we literally going to pick apart every goal and every game this season and debate the difficulty of each save? FFS guys this is getting pretty pathetic.

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Again, in Price case, when you are seen as THE best goalie of the league, or top 5, or the next Canadian great goalie....being weak should not even be in the cards here. Majority of the goals should be about great plays. Where the best goalie of the league should do is save sure goals. Stopping Skinner once in a while. And coming out with an incredible save on the 1st goal. Which sometimes he did. All the saves he makes aren't easy saves. But you need those 1 goal a game performances to save your average team a whole lot of time. That's what the best goalie in the league should be able to do. It's not normal that we're actually are able to find so easily weak goals given by him. It does happen, happen to the best of them from Roy to Brodeur. But not as often.

So last night, actually, his worst moment was the 1st goal behind the net. Which is called preseason adaptation, and especially based on the fact that he was dealing with a young D in Pateryn, Price do need to learn that your first instinct will be your best one. He goes behind the net and just put his stick down as if he's going to throw the puck down the boards to which Pateryn responded by not being in Price's way until....Price backed off seeing Pateryn making Great having to deal with the puck instead. That's totally Price fault as far as I'm concerned. But not that big of a deal as it could be placed on "preseason" adaptation. But he does that in a regular game with a regular teamate and he'll be big time at fault.

Now if our team is so bad that it's totally detrimental to the success of the best goalie in the NHL, well this team is incredibly awful and need to be fixed from top to bottom. Is it the case? Are people asking to change the whole team? Strangely, I feel that the same ones who are blaming the system, the D or the team for Price lack of success, are also the ones who feel we are not that far from bring very good.....Which is it?
Well, I said it in my post. You'd like to see him make a save on the first two goals for the big save to preserve the game early on.. but you can't clearly fault him for it. You need big plays from your best player, yes, hundred percent agreed, but the guy I was quoting made it out to be like Price let in 3 softies.

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09-25-2013, 10:05 AM
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Yes be careful using the only tool available to measure performance. Instead we should go by magic moments and false statements.
Yes, using your personal evaluation, avoiding all cheerleader-isms, be careful with that.

It's best to avoid thinking for yourself and assuming your own opinion.

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09-25-2013, 10:13 AM
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You can have the last word. I'm done, you've been spewing falsehoods as truths all thread long.
You can't have a discussion with him, he's got his stubborn opinions and won't change one iota even when confronted with clear facts.

High end PMD's are often the element which we see on winning teams and who are lacking on weak teams. Brain Campbell isn't a superstar but he had a big impact on Florida's resurgence 2 years ago. The Habs getting Mrakov back was a big part of last year's success.

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Really don't agree with that. If you had said "not great without it", I don't think I would have replied, but both of these guys play a game that simply employs smarts above brawn when it comes to the 99% of the game where the puck isn't on their sticks. Positionally both are much better than "okay", and you don't have to be physical to disrupt opponents' scoring attempts, as evidenced by the fact that Diaz had almost as many blocked shots as Subban or Bouillon, but in only half the games. And Markov had more than everyone except Gorges, btw, and had as many takeaways as the next two guys combined. Those are all examples of play without the puck.
This is where coaches and GM's understand the game and a ton of posters have no clue.

Being a good defensive defenseman isn't just about being a big neanderthal that beats the crap out of everybody in front of the net. Sure, it's nice to have one of those guys but if you have too many you end up spending most of the night in your end.

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Are we literally going to pick apart every goal and every game this season and debate the difficulty of each save? FFS guys this is getting pretty pathetic.
Are you new here?

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This is where coaches and GM's understand the game and a ton of posters have no clue.

Being a good defensive defenseman isn't just about being a big neanderthal that beats the crap out of everybody in front of the net. Sure, it's nice to have one of those guys but if you have too many you end up spending most of the night in your end.
Many define defense as being stuck in your own end defending, which may be true in a semantic argument, but it's counter-productive to winning. Keeping the puck moving in the opposite direction is the best defense there is. A guy or two to throw big hits and clear the net is all that's needed.

Transitional play, now more than ever is vital to success. A markov at 80-90% made all the difference in the world last year, Many posters don't appreciate his impact and won't until he's gone again.

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Many define defense as being stuck in your own end defending, which may be true in a semantic argument, but it's counter-productive to winning. Keeping the puck moving in the opposite direction is the best defense there is. A guy or two to throw big hits and clear the net is all that's needed.

Transitional play, now more than ever is vital to success. A markov at 80-90% made all the difference in the world last year, Many posters don't appreciate his impact and won't until he's gone again.
Nobody denies this... you're arguing something that everyone agrees with.

Where you are wrong is in minimizing that "guy or two who can throw big hits and clear the net"...

That's all we're asking for man. We need some guys who are actually effective at this and right now we really don't. We're all hoping that Tinordi and Murray can do it (and maybe they can) but we're rolling the dice. Tinordi's unproven and Murray was passed on by everyone. We had nobody who could do this last year except Emelin who did it to a certain extent.

I really don't get why you're so bent out of shape over this dude. Nobody's making this **** up... it's a weakness and pretending that it isn't doesn't help anything. We need to be better in this area. We used to be good at this but for the past few years our blueline has thinned out as we've lost Hamrlyk and Gill. For whatever reason our coach has decided that Subban shouldn't be used on the PK or in defensive situations so that leaves us with guys like Markov who really aren't effective in front of their own net.

You seem to be trying to frame it as transition vs. clearing the net and saying that one is more important than the other... even if that's true - you can't ignore the 2nd part and expect to win.

(As I type this Aaron Ward is saying the same thing... we're missing that big blueliner and we'd better hope that Tinordi can handle it because we don't have anybody else.) Ward's words: "it's a big void to fill." And he's right.

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