A bit if reality here from a purely Pens competitiveness perspective.
On a human perspective all of us are concerned for Vokoun and his family.
But as it effects the Pens panic right now is stupid. Either Vokoun returns this year or not. If not we should know by the trade deadline when we would get much greater buying power with his replacements prorated cap space. Or Fleury might find his game. The Pens are making the playoffs no matter what so we have a lot of time to assess and deal with the situation.
Guys I'm not going to go back and delete all the OT "OMG what will we do about Fleury" comments because half the thread will disappear, but I should. Handshake is correct. It's OK to mention a replacement or team comment in passing but this is about Vokoun and a potentially serious health problem, not just an injury.
Keep your comments to Vokoun if you can manage it, and leave all the cap geek rosters and talk of other goalies or how bad MAF sucks (or Tim Thomas sucks) to some other thread (preferably the game threads where MAF actually sucks). Let's at least try to show a little respect and perspective. Not that difficult...
EDIT: missed the mod warning...I'll take the team discussion elsewhere. I wish Vokoun all the best and I hope to see him make a full recovery. Blood clots are not a situation to be trifled with and I can only imagine the rough time he and his family are going through at the moment. His health is way more important than hockey.
Blood clots freak me the hell out. My dad passed away a couple of years ago because of complications due to a clot in his leg (don't know the medical explanation, but basically the clot traveled to his heart and caused a heart attack). So when I hear players getting them, it makes me fear the worst.
I'm very sorry to hear about your dad. I also had a family member in the hospital with a clot in his heart. They are very scary.
I hope that Tomas has a speedy recovery, and best wishes to him and his family. As for the hockey aspect, I don't even care right now - that will work itself out.
I feel bad for the guy in the sense of even if the clot has been fully cleared (sounds like it has / there's no danger now if it lodging in his heart or lung), think about taking blood thinners your whole life and all the stuff you might not be able to do with your kids or whatever. Could be anything from hockey to skiing, snowmobiling, mountain biking, whatever. Anything where you might take a bad cut or knock to the head (I think I read that somewhere last night -- medical types feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)... might be off limits for you.
Yeah, that lean 6.250 Million cap hit won't cause any problems.
Buffalo is certainly going to be willing to retain 50% of Miller's salary to ensure that as many teams as possible can be in on the bidding war for him. That being said, it would take Fleury++ to get him to Pittsburgh.
Btw, not trying to further derail the thread from the Vokoun news, just clarifying what other posters have said.
I think everyone here is worried about TV on a personal level. Health comes before sports. period. Any adult posting here understands that and most probably didn't post it because they felt it was automatically understood.
That said, this is a hockey board so discussing hockey in it isn't exactly bizarre. Especially when you consider that posting 'get well' comments that will never be seen by him or his family achieves nothing. Say a prayer to yourself, send a card to the organization for him, or think of another way to help/cheer him up.
I'm not being critical of anyone, I just feel like we could use a little perspective. I'll limit my hockey talk to the other threads.
The only benefit at this point is that it was caught during the preseason and we're not heading down the stretch. He caught it early and he may be able to play this season; especially when we need him. He's had experience with this problem before so he will know his limitations and hopefully be back sooner than we think. It was only one clot compared to the several he had prior. Maybe that will make a difference.
Panthers fan here just to update you: TT already has a "handshake" deal in Florida for 1 year pending his performance in preseason. The reason it took so long for Thomas to agree to his pto in Florida was because he wanted to be promised a chance at being the #1 goalie, and it sounds like Pit is pretty set on MAF as the starter. As for Theodore, though he was great in 2012, last year he was pretty bad and he's coming off yet another injury so I don't think he's the best option.
Thanks for the update on Crazy Tim. Mostly I'm hoping to hear good news for Tomas today, that maybe he doesn't have to go on blood thinners for more than a few months. Would suck for him to be a permanent thing.
do you understand that standard protocols for two unprovoked thrombotic events is often lifelong anti-coagulation, which probably would preclude contact sports?
most assuredly, this is something to worry about.
the fact that they did a procedure to remove/dissolve the clot is also notable. even though interventional radiology likely did a minimally invasive procedure (rather than some open thrombectomy), they still did a surgery through his groin to access his femoral vein. they wouldnt do this if the clot was small and/or in a relatively "safe" location. if this was a minor clot they would have just put him on anti-thrombotic meds.
Well said. In general terms, V will be on anti-coagulants (Coumadin) between 3-6 months minimum and likely far longer. I sincerely hope I am totally incorrect in suggesting that his current malady is potentially career ending at his age.
We are all here by a thread and fortunately denial keeps us reasonably happy while waiting for a catastrophic event to occur.
Best of luck to TV, a true a warrior, and a credit to the game!
Anyone know if / when we're supposed to get another update? Seems like the doctors would've made a decision by now. Although I suppose if it's potentially career threatening for Tomas, he'd need time to talk it over with his family, etc. Can't be an easy decision.
the question vokoun is likely faced with right now is whether he should follow standard protocol and remain on life-long anticoagulation medication for what is likely a genetic predisposition to clotting (2 unprovoked thrombotic events don't happen to normal people) that pretty much precludes a hockey career OR take the meds for 3, 6, or maybe 12 months and then try to continue playing hockey but be at risk for another thrombotic event. keep in mind these clots have been occurring in his venous system (not his arterial system) so he is unlikely to have a stroke or heart attack from this. however a clot in the venous system could lead to pulmonary embolus which is potentially lethal.
he's probably weighing his options right now and likely consulting with specialists in the field of coagulation disorders. for a regular person that develops clots, they dont do genetic testing to see if he has a specific disorder, they just assume you do and keep you on meds. however since his a high profile hockey player, its possible they are doing more advanced genetic testing to see if he has a known clotting disorder, and those tests can take awhile.