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09-22-2013, 05:59 PM
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surprised St-Pierre,Tarnasky are still around.
Tarnasky is hanging around since Parros is still out.

I think that Bergevin now understands that he needs someone with the Habs who is willing to stand up and fight for teammates against the goons.

Does not matter if Tarnasky wins a fight. All he has to do is take on the big boys like Orr and Thornton etc. and remove them from the ice for 5 minutes to calm down.

Do NOT want to lose Tokarski.

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09-22-2013, 06:00 PM
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Tokarski has to clear waivers? Oh, well trade Price now then.

Seriously who cares about Tokarski. If Bergevin was smart he would realize that he has an actual trade asset under his hands and do something about it.

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09-22-2013, 06:59 PM
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I highly doubt there's much interest around the league towards Tokarski. People in here are channeling their inner Pierre McGuire.

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09-22-2013, 07:06 PM
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Stopped playing the waiver game since a certain Guardian told me I shouldn't play that game anymore but......how about Tokarski Blind. Any chance he gets picked up? Let's hope not.
I have to admit I haven't been following goalie situations in pre-season. It would have to be totally situational. But even teams who might need a goalie would know they can just sign a guy like Garon or Theodore who have lots of NHL experience, or there will be guys on waivers later on who have more than Tokarski. So if there are teams out there with a need, I'd still go with 99% certainty that Tokarski was safe.

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09-22-2013, 07:24 PM
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im very surprised that leblanc was cut
me too , do him a favour and trade him

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09-22-2013, 07:26 PM
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me too , do him a favour and trade him
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So Collberg can go return from his little play date for some real hockey noe then?

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09-22-2013, 07:39 PM
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So Collberg can go return from his little play date for some real hockey noe then?
Heeeeeeey! That's not..... wait. Yes. Yes he can

Time for Big Mac to get used to London and Hunters' system. Good experiment though.

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09-22-2013, 07:43 PM
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me too , do him a favour and trade him
Nevermind the fact that I think Leblanc hasn't much upside in this league, what has he done to deserve a chance to stay with the big club? Should we give him a free pass because he was a first rounder?

Guys like Dumont and Bournival were twice as good as him last year...

Besides, what's the trade value of Leblanc these days? A 6th rounder?

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09-22-2013, 07:49 PM
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Nevermind the fact that I think Leblanc hasn't much upside in this league, what has he done to deserve a chance to stay with the big club? Should we give him a free pass because he was a first rounder?

Guys like Dumont and Bournival were twice as good as him last year...

Besides, what's the trade value of Leblanc these days? A 6th rounder?
I would say a 3rd or a similar prospect (Nemisz for example).

No point to trade him at this point.

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wonder if Pens would take Tokarski off waivers after Vokoun got injured.

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wonder if Pens would take Tokarski off waivers after Vokoun got injured.
Uh no

Not with guys like Garon and Theodore still available.

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I would say a 3rd or a similar prospect (Nemisz for example).

No point to trade him at this point.
I agree that any Leblanc trade would have to be a 'bust for bust' proposition, so a player like Nemisz.

Also, if we were to trade him, he's the type of player I'd want another body for. I think he's worth more than just a pick.

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09-22-2013, 10:20 PM
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I agree that any Leblanc trade would have to be a 'bust for bust' proposition, so a player like Nemisz.

Also, if we were to trade him, he's the type of player I'd want another body for. I think he's worth more than just a pick.
If we wanted Nemisz, we could have claimed him off waivers.

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09-22-2013, 10:37 PM
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So Collberg can go return from his little play date for some real hockey noe then?
Yup. He should do well. When he finally does come over, he'll start off slow, but had times where he looked really good, but overall wasn't impressive enough to earn a spot.

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09-22-2013, 10:44 PM
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I agree that any Leblanc trade would have to be a 'bust for bust' proposition, so a player like Nemisz.

Also, if we were to trade him, he's the type of player I'd want another body for. I think he's worth more than just a pick.
Maybe it's time to trade with the Rangers....again....Leblanc for Kreider.

If we stick to 2009...there are really a couple of interesting names out there. Anyway, not there yet.

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09-23-2013, 03:20 AM
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This is subject to change, but as of right now I'm feeling more optimistic about this year's draft than last year's, with the obvious exceptions of Chucky.

Much too early to panic about Collberg, but I'm seeing some skating issues that weren't as prevalent last season. I really liked him in his draft year, but I did have some scouting friends that had concerns that his lack of size and resultant lack of physical play/competitiveness might be concerns, and I am more apt to agree with them now than I was a year ago. I'm hoping it has more to do with him not yet being in great playing shape after his injury. Scandanavian prospects have a tendency to mature a little later physically...it's pretty apparent he needs to add some muscle and explosiveness, but he's still just 19.

Let's hope he finds that extra half step and plays regularly in Frolunda. He's got good offensive smarts...it's even been noticeable at this camp - knows where to go and sees the ice well. Didn't really get to see the puck skills or shot..but that goes with not being in game shape yet too...there are no concerns with his hands despite what Lemad opined.

Vail looks like he should have been drafted where he was after all, same with Bozon give or take a few spots, and Thrower has been a disappointment for me. I'm not sure any of those three will be NHL regulars, but it's way too early to say that definitively. Right now I'd say Bozon has the best chance of making it. He impressed offensively last season..hopefully he bulks up and starts playing more in the dirty areas and improves defensively. None of those picks look like they were steals at this point, nor do they look like busts.

Hudon saves things in terms of the overall draft depth as he looks like he'll certainly play if his back doesn't deter him, and be a solid contributor in the NHL. By no means do I look at last year's draft as poor....there were teams who wouldn't have taken Galchenyuk third, but the Habs were willing to take the gamble, and really did their homework.

This year's draft however - I think there may be four or five regulars some day, perhaps more. No Chuckys, but I'd say there are certainly more potential NHLers at this point.

Chucky >> McCarron
Hudon > Andrighetto

Lehkonen > Collberg
DLR >> Bozon
Fucale > Thrower
Reway > Vail
Gregoire > Nystrom
Crisp > Nothing
I'll admit, I wasn't expecting that at all Grant. Are the Habs still very high on Collberg? I was slightly disappointed by his play in the pre-season games, but he did have a lot working against him; first games in North America and as you noted, was just coming from an injury.

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09-23-2013, 07:31 AM
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This is subject to change, but as of right now I'm feeling more optimistic about this year's draft than last year's, with the obvious exceptions of Chucky.

Much too early to panic about Collberg, but I'm seeing some skating issues that weren't as prevalent last season. I really liked him in his draft year, but I did have some scouting friends that had concerns that his lack of size and resultant lack of physical play/competitiveness might be concerns, and I am more apt to agree with them now than I was a year ago. I'm hoping it has more to do with him not yet being in great playing shape after his injury. Scandanavian prospects have a tendency to mature a little later physically...it's pretty apparent he needs to add some muscle and explosiveness, but he's still just 19.

Let's hope he finds that extra half step and plays regularly in Frolunda. He's got good offensive smarts...it's even been noticeable at this camp - knows where to go and sees the ice well. Didn't really get to see the puck skills or shot..but that goes with not being in game shape yet too...there are no concerns with his hands despite what Lemad opined.

Vail looks like he should have been drafted where he was after all, same with Bozon give or take a few spots, and Thrower has been a disappointment for me. I'm not sure any of those three will be NHL regulars, but it's way too early to say that definitively. Right now I'd say Bozon has the best chance of making it. He impressed offensively last season..hopefully he bulks up and starts playing more in the dirty areas and improves defensively. None of those picks look like they were steals at this point, nor do they look like busts.

Hudon saves things in terms of the overall draft depth as he looks like he'll certainly play if his back doesn't deter him, and be a solid contributor in the NHL. By no means do I look at last year's draft as poor....there were teams who wouldn't have taken Galchenyuk third, but the Habs were willing to take the gamble, and really did their homework.

This year's draft however - I think there may be four or five regulars some day, perhaps more. No Chuckys, but I'd say there are certainly more potential NHLers at this point.

Chucky >> McCarron
Hudon > Andrighetto

Lehkonen > Collberg
DLR >> Bozon
Fucale > Thrower
Reway > Vail
Gregoire > Nystrom
Crisp > Nothing
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When does Tokarski clear waivers? Anybody?

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I've said it before but I am glad Grant mentionned so I will not be crucified again. To me, Collberg needs to be above-average, nearly elite skater to be useful in a top 6 role. He's not there yet. He's shifty but he wont win many puck races and certainly didn't put any defenders on their heels (like Bournival did). I understand he's coming back from a knee injury but I had the same concerns last year. His first 3 steps need to be much better and same for his explosiveness. Otherwise, as good as his hands are, you are looking at powerplay specialist if he doesn't work on his skating.

Heck, look at the recent forwards in any team that are under 6'2. They all are pretty fast. There are less and less pylons out there, and the game is much much quicker than it was 7 years ago. That's why so many vets can't find a job. The good thing is that he is young and he still has time to work on his lower body's strenght.

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I'll admit, I wasn't expecting that at all Grant. Are the Habs still very high on Collberg? I was slightly disappointed by his play in the pre-season games, but he did have a lot working against him; first games in North America and as you noted, was just coming from an injury.
Keep in mind I said "right now." That could change

Lehkonen was a first-round talent in a better draft year that dropped because of injury.
Right now he's a better skater than Collberg and just as skilled..also is considered to be a hard worker. I think they're close, but right now I like Lehkonen a bit more. That's not easy to admit as I say..because I was really high on Collberg last year.

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This year's draft however - I think there may be four or five regulars some day, perhaps more. No Chuckys, but I'd say there are certainly more potential NHLers at this point.

Chucky >> McCarron
Hudon > Andrighetto

Lehkonen > Collberg
DLR >> Bozon
Fucale > Thrower
Reway > Vail
Gregoire > Nystrom
Crisp > Nothing
Totally nitpicky, and I haven't really seen Gregoire, but Nystrom actually impressed me in his preseason games. Kids got serious wheels and defensive acumen for a young guy. Potentially a Tommy Pyatt with more offense (stop me if you've heard that one before...) Would you say that you (or the Habs brass) is considerably higher on Gregoire than they are on Nystrom? Just because I thought he acquitted himself well from what I saw of him...

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Every draft is one of best ever until a year or two later
Pretty much this. Grant's criticisms are very valid, of course, but give it a year and the players we drafted this year will have bad stretches too. There's a reason players outside of the first round got passed up on by every team at least once after all. Lehkonen very well could be the better prospect than Collberg, but he could also be one concussion away from retirement. Snipers always have bust potential.

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Even though he was cut yesterday, he could only go on waivers today. So tomorrow by 12pm we should know if he cleared or not.

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I highly doubt there's much interest around the league towards Tokarski. People in here are channeling their inner Pierre McGuire.
Some teams have worst backups than Tokarski : Boston (C.Johnson), Columbus (MCElhinney (injured), J.Smith/M.McKenna), Nashville (Hutton), Pittsburgh (Zatkoff) and maybe even NYI (Poulin) and Vancouver (Ericsson/Lack)

Tokarski is only 24 and he seems NHL-ready which makes an appealing option. Teams can always put him back waivers if he isn't doing the job.

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