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09-22-2013, 09:32 AM
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johan franzen

what is the value for him ?


if the wings want to trade franzen to other team

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A top pairing defenseman,

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A top pairing defenseman,
I'd say his value is more equal to a second pairing defenseman.

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Tricky because he is still productive, but his contract just about makes him untradeable.

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09-22-2013, 12:11 PM
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Throw in Brendan Smith with Franzen for a top pairing defenseman.

Wings need either top 6 powerforward like Bobby Ryan or a top pairing dman like Bouwmeester to pair with Kronwall

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Throw in Brendan Smith with Franzen for a top pairing defenseman.

Wings need either top 6 powerforward like Bobby Ryan or a top pairing dman like Bouwmeester to pair with Kronwall
That's funny, because both were available until just recently.

I don't think there's many teams that would want Franzen's contract, but I could see non-traditional market team willing to give up assets because they'd have him locked up for the long haul. I've always wondered what Franzen could do playing alongside the Sedin's, I feel like that line would be just unstoppable. But like I said, Vancouver probably wouldn't want his contract.

I also think he might be a candidate for the Red Wings remaining compliance buy-out next summer if he doesn't perform this season.

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Tricky because he is still productive, but his contract just about makes him untradeable.
I might be wrong, but I believe the Wings would suffer the cap penalty if he retires.

That said, he makes less than 4 million a season.

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I might be wrong, but I believe the Wings would suffer the cap penalty if he retires.

That said, he makes less than 4 million a season.
He has no reason to retire, so when his production inevitably plummets because of age regression, he will be a massive liability.

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09-22-2013, 03:18 PM
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He has no reason to retire, so when his production inevitably plummets because of age regression, he will be a massive liability.
He plays a soft game, I can see him playing till he's 41 like other soft forwards who avoid physical play. He originally was suppose to be a 4th line checking player, then exploded offensively. He can go back to the 4th line, provide a little offense, and PK when he regresses with age.

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He plays a soft game, I can see him playing till he's 41 like other soft forwards who avoid physical play. He originally was suppose to be a 4th line checking player, then exploded offensively. He can go back to the 4th line, provide a little offense, and PK when he regresses with age.
No team will want a 3.9 cap hit for a 4th liner, that's my point.

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His Neanderthal face decreases his value

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By the time Franzen is closing in on 40- the cap will have grown enough that his $3.9mil still won't look that bad.

Like somebody else mentioned the one benefit to him not being a bruiser is that his body will probably hold up better than a true power forward. And if it doesn't he'll go on LTIR.

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09-22-2013, 06:56 PM
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That's funny, because both were available until just recently.

I don't think there's many teams that would want Franzen's contract, but I could see non-traditional market team willing to give up assets because they'd have him locked up for the long haul. I've always wondered what Franzen could do playing alongside the Sedin's, I feel like that line would be just unstoppable. But like I said, Vancouver probably wouldn't want his contract.

I also think he might be a candidate for the Red Wings remaining compliance buy-out next summer if he doesn't perform this season.
Franzen + X = Edler

I'm not opposed to his contract, and being long term and front loaded (I think) mean Detroit gets the worst hit here. Not a great deal for us, but his cap hit works for what he contributes.

What would Detroit add? (And no, I know Filppula is no longer a UFA next season on the Red Wings )

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Difficult to say. Even on the wrong side of 30 his goal ceiling is not clear at all. If he had 48 goals this year I wouldn't be surprised. Wouldn't be surprised if he had 16 either.

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09-22-2013, 07:24 PM
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Franzen + X = Edler
HELL no.

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I have always thought of him as one of the most overrated forwards. Guy is hot garbage.

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Difficult to say. Even on the wrong side of 30 his goal ceiling is not clear at all. If he had 48 goals this year I wouldn't be surprised. Wouldn't be surprised if he had 16 either.
Well considering he pretty much always hovers around 30 goales, scoring 48 would be a very big surprise, even for Wing fans.

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09-23-2013, 02:03 AM
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$4M wont be that much by the time he's old.

$4M in an $80M cap world is peanuts.

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09-23-2013, 02:36 AM
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$4M wont be that much by the time he's old.

$4M in an $80M cap world is peanuts.
Not really. $4M in today's cap of 64.3 is 6.2% of the cap and would be 5% of an $80M cap, or a 3.215 cap hit today. Today's cap is also an outlier as last year it was significantly higher and it will be next season as well.

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That's funny, because both were available until just recently.

I don't think there's many teams that would want Franzen's contract, but I could see non-traditional market team willing to give up assets because they'd have him locked up for the long haul. I've always wondered what Franzen could do playing alongside the Sedin's, I feel like that line would be just unstoppable. But like I said, Vancouver probably wouldn't want his contract.

I also think he might be a candidate for the Red Wings remaining compliance buy-out next summer if he doesn't perform this season.
His contract is just not attractive to many teams because it still has 7 yrs left on it. If it was 3 or 4 years more teams would be interested. If teams new he was going to retire after 3 years they may be more willing to trade for him.

Based on his contract the next 3 years are above the cap hit while the final 4 are below. So even the newly acquiring team will have a recapture penalty.

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I might be wrong, but I believe the Wings would suffer the cap penalty if he retires.

That said, he makes less than 4 million a season.
I'm really fuzzy on this. Would someone be willing to explain using Franzen retiring early for the wings or after being traded to another team? Pretty please?

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09-23-2013, 04:00 AM
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Wings need either top 6 powerforward like Bobby Ryan
Is there another Bobby Ryan in the NHL that I don't know about?

Bobby Ryan wouldn't of been traded by Anaheim if he played like a PF, good player but not a PF.

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I'm really fuzzy on this. Would someone be willing to explain using Franzen retiring early for the wings or after being traded to another team? Pretty please?
http://capgeek.com/recapture-calcula...ayer_submit=on

Go nuts.

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09-23-2013, 06:02 AM
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He's as valuable as Luongo was, good player with maybe a few good years left and then just becomes a cap sponge

I'd offer Rene Bourque to get the Mule to help our PP but only if the Wings eat $1.5MM/yr til the end so we only have a $2.5MM 4th liner last few years - doubt Wings go for that but even that doesn't excite me

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He's as valuable as Luongo was, good player with maybe a few good years left and then just becomes a cap sponge

I'd offer Rene Bourque to get the Mule to help our PP but only if the Wings eat $1.5MM/yr til the end so we only have a $2.5MM 4th liner last few years - doubt Wings go for that but even that doesn't excite me
I very much doubt that as well.

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