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who adjusted their game the best to account for their aging??

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09-17-2013, 02:20 AM
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I try to put it further: most players change their game styles from offense to defense - mostly. Or some players like Mikita were mentioned who calmed down a little bit. In some sense it's a regress.

Are there players who weren't used offensively and when they get the chance or have to do it, change their game from defensive to offensive play and become successful? I don't mean some rookies who have to beat themselves from bottom line to top, but players who really changed their styles in terms from defensive play to offensive. Sleeping giants.
It probably happened with a lot of players with the 1967 expansion

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09-17-2013, 08:00 AM
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Dave Andreychuk

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Dave Andreychuk is another. A goal scoring winger, who transferred himself into a defensive monster with TB during their cup run, taking alot of the key defensive draws. Couldn't believe this was the same guy I saw in Buffalo and Toronto.
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Dave Andreychuk

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around this..

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09-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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Sundin started as a speedy winger who was strong on the boards with a nasty shot, transformed into a above-average speed playmaker with a finishing touch, finished his career as a net presence who could distribute the puck and single-handedly run a very effective powerplay. Somehow he'd always finish with ~75 points or so.

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09-17-2013, 03:35 PM
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Dave Andreychuk
Would be interested in hearing about this one. Andreychuk was more or less a guy who played the same style but just scored less and less every year.

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09-17-2013, 03:57 PM
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Sundin started as a speedy winger who was strong on the boards with a nasty shot, transformed into a above-average speed playmaker with a finishing touch, finished his career as a net presence who could distribute the puck and single-handedly run a very effective powerplay. Somehow he'd always finish with ~75 points or so.
Reminded me of Mogilny. He started as a speedy winger and by late in his career he had transformed himself into an excellent playmaker.

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09-17-2013, 11:15 PM
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Would be interested in hearing about this one. Andreychuk was more or less a guy who played the same style but just scored less and less every year.
i guess he did start taking, and winning, faceoffs? but yeah, pretty weak compared most everyone else mentioned in this thread.

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09-18-2013, 09:16 AM
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Scott Stevens? But he seemed to do the opposite, usually the nastiness comes when their body is young...
Scott Stevens was an extremely vicious player when he was younger and ran around hitting and fighting everything that moved.

As he got older he stopped lurching out of position to smash people and quit taking dumb penalties. There were other changes too, but to me basic discipline was by far the biggest change Stevens made to his game--and it was obviously very effective.

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09-18-2013, 10:05 AM
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Would be interested in hearing about this one. Andreychuk was more or less a guy who played the same style but just scored less and less every year.
He went from being a stand in front of the net garbageman (albeit the best in the league) with no foot speed and no real playmaking ability, to Mr. Everything in tampa.

He became the captain of that squad, was a real locker room presence, as well as a solid defensive forward which is something he never really focused on. He still put up his 20 garbage goals, but was more visible up and down the ice

Plus the NHL in 2001-2004 was more suited towards him, this was the peak of the clutch and grab era so his speed wasn't that big an issue. Once a faster NHL emerged in 2005 he looked done immediately.

The clutch and grab era really preserved his career and allowed for that brief resurgence in Tampa

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09-18-2013, 10:45 AM
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He went from being a stand in front of the net garbageman (albeit the best in the league) with no foot speed and no real playmaking ability, to Mr. Everything in tampa.

He became the captain of that squad, was a real locker room presence, as well as a solid defensive forward which is something he never really focused on. He still put up his 20 garbage goals, but was more visible up and down the ice

Plus the NHL in 2001-2004 was more suited towards him, this was the peak of the clutch and grab era so his speed wasn't that big an issue. Once a faster NHL emerged in 2005 he looked done immediately.

The clutch and grab era really preserved his career and allowed for that brief resurgence in Tampa
maybe the operative question is did he adjust his game, or did the game adjust to him?

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09-18-2013, 11:28 AM
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Jarri Kurri was one of the best.

Elite scorer early in his career (playing with Gretzky didnt hurt) near the end his offensive game was gone so he became a top end defensive forward.

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09-18-2013, 11:38 AM
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Chris Osgood comes to mind. Was a stand-up goalie when he started.

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Bit surprised Brendan Shanahan hasn't been mentioned yet.

Went from being the prototypical nasty/physical 90s-era power-forward to, by the time of his last few years in Detroit, a sniper who relied largely on his one-timer to score goals.

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09-18-2013, 04:02 PM
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I think Chris Chelios suits this well. He changed his game much more than mentioned Lidström and Bourque. From two way defenceman to a defensive defenseman. He also had a huge drop in penalty minutes over his career going from wildling to diciplined, and from star to role-player. And in doing so becoming the by far second oldest NHLer in history while adding a couple of cup rings.

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09-18-2013, 04:06 PM
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Jarri Kurri was one of the best.

Elite scorer early in his career (playing with Gretzky didnt hurt) near the end his offensive game was gone so he became a top end defensive forward.
Wasn't Kurri always a top end defensive forward?

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09-18-2013, 04:32 PM
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Maybe Trottier.

His fall from stardom was precipitous, but he got a second chance with the Pens, where he played a key, supporting part with their two Lemieux era cups.

It's not often one sees a former star happy being a role player.

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Dave Andreychuk is another. A goal scoring winger, who transferred himself into a defensive monster with TB during their cup run, taking alot of the key defensive draws. Couldn't believe this was the same guy I saw in Buffalo and Toronto.
Wasn't everyone a defensive monster in the 2003–04 season?

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09-18-2013, 05:07 PM
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Yzerman didn't adjust his game to account for his aging, he adjusted his game because Bowman needed him to focus more on defense.

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09-18-2013, 05:20 PM
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It's not often one sees a former star happy being a role player.
Actually, happens all the time. Cicarelli, Chelios, Kurri, heck, even Yzerman. As you get older, your role on the team diminishes. One example of a star player who was NOT happy with his role was Mark Messier. Ruined both his clubs late in his career.

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09-18-2013, 05:40 PM
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Actually, happens all the time. Cicarelli, Chelios, Kurri, heck, even Yzerman. As you get older, your role on the team diminishes. One example of a star player who was NOT happy with his role was Mark Messier. Ruined both his clubs late in his career.
On reconsideration, I think you're right. The money must help.

Used to be, players would retire after their peak, try to sort things out, then make comeback attempts (and get a few more good playdays). Thinking of Lafleur/Hull here.

Oh, Tom Barrasso was another guy who was not graceful bowing out. Had to be number one, always.

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09-22-2013, 10:29 AM
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Igor Larionov scored more goals than he had assists in 3 of his 8 seasons in Russia (including his final season there)...

He turned himself into almost exclusively a nice set up man, who played a strong two way game as he grew accustomed to the NHL...and then was able to play in the NHL until he was 43 or 44.

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09-22-2013, 02:59 PM
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Yzerman didn't adjust his game to account for his aging, he adjusted his game because Bowman needed him to focus more on defense.
He necessarily adjusted his game after his knee no longer allowed him to move and cut like he had been accustomed to. He lost a lot of agility long before the osteotomy.

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09-23-2013, 09:10 PM
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what about Mario? He carried the puck a lot less after he returned from retirement, but remained a great player. It was a bit like Jordan coming back from baseball and used more jumpshots and less dunks.

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