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11-22-2006, 01:02 PM
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Our solution to this problem is Higgins center of Kovy and Sammy.

That's it.
Interesting. Could this be why Carbonneau has pushed so hard to get Lats ready?

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11-22-2006, 01:06 PM
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To be a solid all-around player you need to contribute offensively. Which is not the case for Pleks.

What we need is a center for the second-line, which we don't have but used to have.

Ribeiro is not a second line centre. He never was. He could never win faceoffs (especially key ones), he never played well in a big game or in the playoffs or against good players. He always sucked in the defensive zone. We are a much better team without him.

Dallas picked up Ribeiro and Lindros because they lost Arnott. And now he gets reduced ice time to limit the effects of his deficiencies. If they have the cap space to keep special teams players at $2million per, good for them. We don't and most other teams don't.

Here's my prediction: Ribs will bounce around the NHL for a couple of years to teams looking for a centre and who are also mistakenly thinking he is just being misused. It won;t be long before he is in the AHL. Bob Gainey is the same GM who got Aebischer for Theodore. The most he could get for Ribeiro is a 7th defenseman. That tells you something.

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11-22-2006, 03:00 PM
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Ribeiro is not a second line centre. He never was. He could never win faceoffs (especially key ones), he never played well in a big game or in the playoffs or against good players.
...but he was best pointer of the team 2 seasons ago , playing with Ryder and Dagenais . So , you could talk as you want , that doesn't change the reality ...

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11-22-2006, 03:05 PM
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Here's my prediction: Ribs will bounce around the NHL for a couple of years to teams looking for a centre and who are also mistakenly thinking he is just being misused. It won;t be long before he is in the AHL. Bob Gainey is the same GM who got Aebischer for Theodore. The most he could get for Ribeiro is a 7th defenseman. That tells you something.
Just like Briere, Sullivan, St-Louis and Savard etc...

My prediction: Pleks will never have more than 40 points in a season and in 4 years from now will be playing in Europe.

Bob is the same that signed Audette, Turgeon and the russian guy that used to play for the Nordiques... It goes to show.....

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...but he was best pointer of the team 2 seasons ago , playing with Ryder and Dagenais . So , you could talk as you want , that doesn't change the reality ...
And the reality is that he got the most regular season points on a team that ended up going nowhere.

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11-22-2006, 03:58 PM
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I'm starting to have some reservations about Carbos mixing and matching. It all seems to come back to force fitting players into roles that they can't or aren't ready to play. Brisebois on the first defence pairing, anyone? How about Bulis or Juneau with top line minutes?

This has been mentioned endless time, but with te Bonk-Johnson tandem working extremely well as both a shutdown line and generating chances, why break it up to fix a problem elsewhere? Same with moving Plekanec, who as it happens is working extremely well with Begin getting 4th line minutes and conserving energy for the PK.

I say let the second line (with Kovy centering) sink or swim over a few more games. I'd love to see Lapierre get a shot there, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, so here's my lineup after Boullion gets his comeback game under his belt...

Lats Koivu Ryder
Sammy Kovy Perez
Murray Bonk Johnson
Begin Pleks Dandy

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11-22-2006, 04:25 PM
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Just like Briere, Sullivan, St-Louis and Savard etc...

My prediction: Pleks will never have more than 40 points in a season and in 4 years from now will be playing in Europe.

Bob is the same that signed Audette, Turgeon and the russian guy that used to play for the Nordiques... It goes to show.....
You may doubt about Plekanec's capacity to center a second line, he still didnt prove he could although there is no doubt in my mind he can but saying Pleks will end up to Europe is just insane... The kid already proved to be a quality NHLer...

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11-22-2006, 06:17 PM
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You may doubt about Plekanec's capacity to center a second line, he still didnt prove he could although there is no doubt in my mind he can but saying Pleks will end up to Europe is just insane... The kid already proved to be a quality NHLer...
I agree that he doesn't need to prove he can do the NHL ; Plekanec is a very good role player , and i am sure that plenty GM would like to have him on their team .

For the offensive , it seems that he's not ready yet . I am not convince about his offensive skills but may be he just needs more time to shines .

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11-22-2006, 07:06 PM
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You may doubt about Plekanec's capacity to center a second line, he still didnt prove he could although there is no doubt in my mind he can but saying Pleks will end up to Europe is just insane... The kid already proved to be a quality NHLer...
You're right, I think the Plekanec bashing is unwarranted. Then again, I'm not sure I like the constant bashing of players in the league. There's place for criticism, but no reason to hate people you don't know.

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And the reality is that he got the most regular season points on a team that ended up going nowhere.


second round playoffs , were defeate by the cup winer's team .

Is that what you call going nowhere ?

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11-22-2006, 09:25 PM
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Anyone know why Bonk was the centre when Kovalev line score (on even strenght )?

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11-22-2006, 09:52 PM
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second round playoffs , were defeate by the cup winer's team .

Is that what you call going nowhere ?
and Ribs was a total non-factor with 3 pts in 11 games ! AND, he found a way to embarass us all with his disgraceful flopping fish routine... Yeah, thx Mikey

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11-22-2006, 10:01 PM
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Anyone know why Bonk was the centre when Kovalev line score (on even strenght )?
Goal came at the end of a long shift where Plekanec had already headed off, I believe.

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11-23-2006, 07:08 AM
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I agree that he doesn't need to prove he can do the NHL ; Plekanec is a very good role player , and i am sure that plenty GM would like to have him on their team .

For the offensive , it seems that he's not ready yet . I am not convince about his offensive skills but may be he just needs more time to shines .
So he went from being a second-line center, 60-70 points/year type of player to a ROLE player.... and a year ago he was supposed to match Ribs points total easily.......

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11-23-2006, 07:21 AM
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I agree that he doesn't need to prove he can do the NHL ; Plekanec is a very good role player , and i am sure that plenty GM would like to have him on their team .

For the offensive , it seems that he's not ready yet . I am not convince about his offensive skills but may be he just needs more time to shines .

The guy came in North America after being drafted for his offensive abilities, did GREAT offensively in the AHL, where the Habs have a tendencie to focus on building players that are good without the puck...

Like you said, just need a little more time AND the right wingers, the kid did good (offensively) on the 4th with Begin, did good too with Johnson in pre season and again in the playoffs with Perezhogin and Zednik...

Too bad we dont have a 2nd line center, for this year it would have been great for the team to keep him on the 4th with Begin, they were looking as good if not better sometimes than lots of 3rd lines...

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11-23-2006, 08:39 AM
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...but he was best pointer of the team 2 seasons ago , playing with Ryder and Dagenais . So , you could talk as you want , that doesn't change the reality ...


The reality is that he has 5 pts in 17 playoff games.

The reality is that he is a soft little princess.

The reality is that when he led the team in scoring, he was doing nothing more than riding Michael Ryder's coat talis.

The reality is that Stanley Cup champion GM Bob Gainey traded him away for a 7th defenseman and obviously agrees with me and not you. So, talking of talk....

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11-23-2006, 08:40 AM
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So he went from being a second-line center, 60-70 points/year type of player to a ROLE player.... and a year ago he was supposed to match Ribs points total easily.......
Show us where people predicted he would match Ribs point totals.

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Just like Briere, Sullivan, St-Louis and Savard etc...

My prediction: Pleks will never have more than 40 points in a season and in 4 years from now will be playing in Europe.

Bob is the same that signed Audette, Turgeon and the russian guy that used to play for the Nordiques... It goes to show.....

Besides all being BETTER THAN RIBEIRO, those players have one other thing that Ribeiro doesn't and which is paramount in today's game: speed. Ribeiro is just a little soft floater.


When I read these posts, I am never happier that we traded Ribeiro. I would even have been happy just to get a draft pick for him.

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...but he was best pointer of the team 2 seasons ago , playing with Ryder and Dagenais . So , you could talk as you want , that doesn't change the reality ...
There isnt only points in this game. Ribs has only on dimension. You cant really use him in a forecheking role or have him kill penalties or give a big hit. It's just not his game. If your going to have only on dimension to your game...that part of your game better be damn good.

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Besides all being BETTER THAN RIBEIRO, those players have one other thing that Ribeiro doesn't and which is paramount in today's game: speed. Ribeiro is just a little soft floater.

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Well, what you said was being said about these players as well and that's why they went thru the waivers several times without being picked-up.....

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I'm starting to have some reservations about Carbos mixing and matching. It all seems to come back to force fitting players into roles that they can't or aren't ready to play. Brisebois on the first defence pairing, anyone? How about Bulis or Juneau with top line minutes?

This has been mentioned endless time, but with te Bonk-Johnson tandem working extremely well as both a shutdown line and generating chances, why break it up to fix a problem elsewhere? Same with moving Plekanec, who as it happens is working extremely well with Begin getting 4th line minutes and conserving energy for the PK.

I say let the second line (with Kovy centering) sink or swim over a few more games. I'd love to see Lapierre get a shot there, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, so here's my lineup after Boullion gets his comeback game under his belt...

Lats Koivu Ryder
Sammy Kovy Perez
Murray Bonk Johnson
Begin Pleks Dandy
Please, do not promote Murray to the third line. This guy as been nothing but a disappointment this year. Its not even funny! At this point I would be all for waiving him and can't believe we cannot have a better fit for our fourth line.

I do not think we should break Perezhogin, Bonk and Johnson. They work well together and it is IMO the best setting to bring Perezhogin to the next level.

THere is not many options currently but to me it is quite obvious that Sammy does not click with Plekanek nor Kovalev. I would relegate him to the forth line. I would use Begin for now on the second line which is certainly not a perfect solution....

Lineup before the return of Higgins:
Lats, Koivu, Ryder
Begin, Pleks, Kovalev
Perez, Bonk, Johnson
Sammy, Lapierre, Dandenault

Lineup after the return of Higgins:
Lats, Koivu, Ryder
Higgins, Pleks, Kovalev
Perez, Bonk, Johnson
Begin, Lapierre, Sammy

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There isnt only points in this game. Ribs has only on dimension. You cant really use him in a forecheking role or have him kill penalties or give a big hit. It's just not his game. If your going to have only on dimension to your game...that part of your game better be damn good.
Good post. And even then there is Alexander "former 127 pts scorer" Mogilny who is playing in the AHL. There is little room for one-dimensional players anymore.

And in terms of points, Ribeiro never produced any in the playoffs so what good is that?

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Well, what you said was being said about these players as well and that's why they went thru the waivers several times without being picked-up.....
Fair enough. But Ribeiro does not have the same potential as those players. He isn't in the same class.

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There isnt only points in this game. Ribs has only on dimension. You cant really use him in a forecheking role or have him kill penalties or give a big hit. It's just not his game. If your going to have only on dimension to your game...that part of your game better be damn good.
What is the difference between having a player that only plays on the PK and one that only plays on the PP?

Both of them are one dimension type of player.

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Good post. And even then there is Alexander "former 127 pts scorer" Mogilny who is playing in the AHL. There is little room for one-dimensional players anymore.

And in terms of points, Ribeiro never produced any in the playoffs so what good is that?

Well Ryder is 3-5-8 in 17 games in the playoffs...shoud we trade him as well?

So what good is that?

Murray is one dimension. Downey is one dimension. Both of them are in the NHL.

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