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09-23-2013, 11:06 PM
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The point about Stepan's playoffs is very valid, BRB. Not only are his point totals low, but his overall game in the playoffs has been nothing to write home about. I think it's a conditioning issue myself more than anything.
Of course it's a valid point regarding Stepan's poor performance in the playoffs. It may be a conditioning issue but I personally believe that it's more an issue of his slight build and the type of game he plays which isn't really conducive to the physical grind that the playoffs are game in and game out. The Rangers have smallish, finesse type forwards whose games just don't stand up to the test that the playoffs present.

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Sather also said that all of the Rangers' players in Stepan's situations signed similar gap contracts. So McDonagh's 6 year deal qualifies as a gap contract?

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Sather also said that all of the Rangers' players in Stepan's situations signed similar gap contracts. So McDonagh's 6 year deal qualifies as a gap contract?
McDonagh wasn't in a similar situation...

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Exactly. Would we rather be edmonton? They just gave RNH 6 mil per year and he's accomplished far less than Stepan has. They're paying him on potential, not accomplishment. Those kinds of contracts are a big gamble.
I mean I'd rather sign Stepan for the extra ~500k or at the very least tack on ~250k to whatever the previous offer was so we can have a player back that actually played like a 1C. Stepan was offered what, ~3mil/yr? And was looking for 3.5 or someodd? Why not just bump it up a little, and maybe that middle ground will be acceptable? I'm failing to see the point of being such a stickler over pocket change that can more or less be alleviated by sending guys like Asham/Powe to Hartford. Or what am I missing?

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Stepan bashing brigade out in full force.
You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.

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Stepan bashing brigade out in full force.
They should get t-shirts and hats

Make em feel official

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You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.
The only teams that he would be anywhere near the 3rd line would be teams that wouldn't need him because of ridiculous deptj...like J.Staal in Pitt...he's not a 3rd line C

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You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.
You underestimate Derek's defensive play and leadership. He's not as skilled as the players you list but he's a winner who is growing into a man's body. If he gets stronger that will fix alot of his weaknesses on the ice and he will be in that upper echelon of centers. Sign him and let him continue developing. He must be a Ranger for a long time.

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You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.
A 3rd line centre? lol Pardon?

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McDonagh wasn't in a similar situation...
Both players coming off ELC's. Don't know what you're talking about.

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Both players coming off ELC's. Don't know what you're talking about.
One was arbitration eligible, one wasn't.

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You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.
The only area where the Rangers are mediocre is LW.

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Both players coming off ELC's. Don't know what you're talking about.
correction, you don't know what you're tallking about. The fact that McD was arbitration eligible makes all the difference. Not similar situations.

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Stepan bashing brigade out in full force.
I'm not going to bash Stepan because I understand that it's his right to try and get what HE FEELS he is worth. I AM on the other hand going to bash the people acting like Stepan is a proven #1 Center in this league when in reality he has only played like one for one half season. I'm not as sold on D-Step as seemingly everyone else on this board is. I think he's a very smart and responsible player with vision and skill, but he hasn't proven that he can be THAT player consistently over 82 games and his previous point totals speak to that.

It's just ridiculous to see people acting like he's a bonafide #1 C when the only reason he was in that position last season is because our actual proven #1 C was playing like a piece of poop all season.

And I'm saying this while Step is one of my favorite players in the league.

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I mean I'd rather sign Stepan for the extra ~500k or at the very least tack on ~250k to whatever the previous offer was so we can have a player back that actually played like a 1C. Stepan was offered what, ~3mil/yr? And was looking for 3.5 or someodd? Why not just bump it up a little, and maybe that middle ground will be acceptable? I'm failing to see the point of being such a stickler over pocket change that can more or less be alleviated by sending guys like Asham/Powe to Hartford. Or what am I missing?
What you're missing is that Stepan is being the stickler while Sather is just trying to be smart (or as smart as he can be given the cap situation). Step thinks he's proven more than he has (which at least somewhat speaks to the confidence he has in his game... Which is nice to see.)

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You underestimate Derek's defensive play and leadership. He's not as skilled as the players you list but he's a winner who is growing into a man's body. If he gets stronger that will fix alot of his weaknesses on the ice and he will be in that upper echelon of centers. Sign him and let him continue developing. He must be a Ranger for a long time.
He's a winner? Not in the NHL he's not... And while I love Step's overall game, I think what will ultimately keep him from being a true high caliber #1C is his skating ability. He doesn't have the wheels that a lot of bonafide #1 C's have. That isn't to say that there aren't elite Centers that make up for it in other areas, but speed is an important factor in today's game. We'll see of Stepan's skill-set can make up for his skating in the long run.

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09-24-2013, 02:32 AM
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You can interpret it any which way you want but some people on these boards(like me) see Stepan for what he truly is "a really nice homegrown player who just happens to be the #1 center on a team with very mediocre centers."

He isn't anywhere near the Giroux's, Duchenes, Coutures, and about another 20+ centers in the league and he wouldn't be any better than a 2nd line center on most teams and a 3rd line center on some other teams.

In my mind, 6 mil for 2 years is more than a fair contract offer for Stepan.

Giroux,coture duchene and stepan in their 19,20,21 year old years
Ya these guys are way better than him at the same age.
Joke

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Sather spoke the truth. Stepan is getting bad advice. The Rangers signaled their willingness to make a deal at $3.2M. Derek should negotiate the contract and save the 3% commission. The CBA has a SPC exhibit. Its very basic. All the two parties do is add the contract details and that's it. The contract is already drawn up.

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At the beginning of the summer, after having several conversations with informed parties and calculating the Rangers’ finances along with Stepan’s worth and contract comparables, I penciled in $3.2 million per year as the number that would get this deal done. I still think that is the magic number, despite Sather’s continuing to take the hard line. We’ll go into more detail on Tuesday about how the Rangers can make $3.2 million work under the cap.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ran...dup-on-ny-rang

Pat must not have read Sunday's Post either. Nobody reads the paper anymore.

Pat is going to show us how the cap works. This guy believes Powe and Asham are currently off the cap because they were waived in June. He thought there wouldn't be any NHL season in 2013.

It must be his Notre Dame education which makes him smarter.

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And so here we are, closer to the Oct. 3 start of the season in Phoenix than the Sept. 11 start of training camp without an end in sight to the impasse between Stepan and the Rangers, who have offered their presumptive first-line center just under $6M for two seasons and are believed willing to go to approximately $6.4M in order to get the deal done.
http://nypost.com/2013/09/21/time-fo...l-with-stepan/

That's $3.2M AAV Pat.

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"I don't think Derek is going to let this thing linger that long," Sather said in an interview on MSG Network during the Rangers' preseason game against the Calgary Flames on Monday night. "I don't think he is a big enough fool to think that he will sit out the year and it will do any good. He is in a gap contract and every one of our players has signed a gap contract.

"You look at the football players who are making minimum wage, they get paid after they go through that time. I find it frustrating that some teams are in a hurry to sign these guys to big contracts. I think it's because the owners or managers panic and it's unfortunate that he has listened to his agent and decided [to do] that."
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I'm not going to bash Stepan because I understand that it's his right to try and get what HE FEELS he is worth. I AM on the other hand going to bash the people acting like Stepan is a proven #1 Center in this league when in reality he has only played like one for one half season. I'm not as sold on D-Step as seemingly everyone else on this board is. I think he's a very smart and responsible player with vision and skill, but he hasn't proven that he can be THAT player consistently over 82 games and his previous point totals speak to that.

It's just ridiculous to see people acting like he's a bonafide #1 C when the only reason he was in that position last season is because our actual proven #1 C was playing like a piece of poop all season.

And I'm saying this while Step is one of my favorite players in the league.
Always time well spent bashing a strawman argument. I don't think one person is ready to call Stepan a legitimate #1 center yet.

The 2-year bridge deal is agreed upon, and the range is $3-3.5M per year. Hardly #1 center salary and term anyway.

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Sather spoke the truth. Stepan is getting bad advice.
That may very well be true, but thats something you say in the board room, not to the media. Very amateurish and confrontational.

Does he think hes built a roster that can survive the loss of Hagelin, Callahan, AND Stepan to start the season? Ha!

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I really like Stepan. He is one of my favorite Rangers along with Henrik,Staal,McDonagh and Kreider. He really needs to sign. Play. Perform. Show the 44 points in 48 games wasn't a fluke year. He will not get the chance to show the 44 in 48 wasn't a fluke by not playing. That is a 75 point year.

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ugh, if were gonna have to go the first month without Stepan, Hags, and cally... gonna be brutal

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whether or not Sather is right, he really needs to keep his mouth shut publically, not something u talk about in public. He acts like this team can be good without Stepan already missing Hags and cally, geez

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Agree with RB. he's hurting himself doing this.

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