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09-22-2013, 10:51 PM
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The investment/trade is definitely paying off!! (Bournival for O'Byrne).
Great trade...I was 50-50 at first with the trade (but it quickly grew on me!).

UPside: solid solid 3rd liner...reliable/playoff warrior.
DOWNside:consistent, hard-working 3rd liner.




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COMPARISONS (for those who like comparisons!):
Just curious to know who some of you would compare Bournival's style to?
Dupuis ?

Ability to pull plays at high speed, great 2-way head, nice shot, great skater. Bournival might be tougher, since Dupe is kind of scared of anything that touches the ice.

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09-22-2013, 11:09 PM
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Yes cammy is still doing what he does, stand around and let everyone else do the work. What a superstar, I wonder how well he will do without Iginla to leech off of.

Bourque was one of our best players last year on our top line. He was clearly suffering from injuries but why talk about that when your bias is so brutally clear.

"Ramo/Fucale" is a wash? Ya ok, we get a rising talent in Fucale for Ramo who couldn't even make it on several terrible nhl teams.

If you think Bourques addition is over-rated you aren't watching the games, put down the stats page and turn on your tv.
Bourque is ALWAYS suffering from injuries. Is there any doubt he'll get injured again this season? I guess being injury prone makes up for his inconsistent and mostly poor play in his tenure with the Habs. I see him as an inconsistent 3rd liner while others regard him as a 1st liner/even one of our best players last year on the top line. Perhaps I'm getting different footage of his play that backs up his production from online streaming.

Fucale is who Timmins drafted. Gauthier got the 36th though. It's a wash because for all we know Ramo could have a long NHL career and be worth more than a high 2nd. It's difficult to really say as not many expected Ramo to come overseas and be given the starting role so soon/if ever.


Bias is an interesting word.
noun
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prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

verb
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cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.

In the post you quoted I gave credit to Gauthier for 2 things while criticizing him in other aspects. I have also criticized Bergevin/Gainey while praising the stuff I liked. Honest question, have you ever criticized anything Gauthier has done or given credit to Bergevin/Gainey? I assume you can since otherwise you would fit in as textbook bias.


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09-22-2013, 11:19 PM
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The thread title absolute terrified me until I remembered that that was the original trade and this was an old thread.

EDIT - I see I wasn't alone!

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I thought it was fairly common knowledge that O'Byrne signed with a KHL team over the summer.

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09-23-2013, 12:11 AM
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Dupuis ?

Ability to pull plays at high speed, great 2-way head, nice shot, great skater. Bournival might be tougher, since Dupe is kind of scared of anything that touches the ice.
I'll take it! (more physical Dupuis). We'll all have a chance to see more and more of Bournival...will come up with my own comparison


NEW EDIT:
UPside...Bournival in a few years may even have 2nd line upside, but I'd bet my money on ''very solid 3rd line winger/center''.
(imo, he's more suited for 3rd line two-way duties VS 4th line goon/energy line...of course you can start Bournival on the 4th line and bring him up when a regular isn't playing well during a game).


p.s.: Bournival also has a perfect number(s) jersey...49!! (Beliveau's 4 and M.Richard's 9 combined!).

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09-23-2013, 01:05 AM
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O'Byrne should rank from #6 to#10 on NHL teams, depending on their depth in Dmen. Let's hope he makes it in the KHL. I'd say Bournival wouldn't have to leave North America to find steady employment. Chalk one up for Gauthier.

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Excited for Bournival and Leblanc in our middle six in the next couple of years. These are the type of guys you hate to play against.

Decent offensively, gritty, intelligent, good character, excellent defensive awareness and ability, and homegrown to boot!

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09-23-2013, 01:46 AM
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Bourque was one of our best players last year on our top line.
Yeeeah... not even close. Unless you view last year through a hippie utopian lense, where every unique little snowflake was special and "one of the best". You're right that he did have to play with Plekanec, though... unfortunately. And it's also true that he wasn't nearly as bad as he was for the first 30-40 games after the trade.

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09-23-2013, 03:57 AM
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Yes cammy is still doing what he does, stand around and let everyone else do the work. What a superstar, I wonder how well he will do without Iginla to leech off of.

Bourque was one of our best players last year on our top line. He was clearly suffering from injuries but why talk about that when your bias is so brutally clear.

"Ramo/Fucale" is a wash? Ya ok, we get a rising talent in Fucale for Ramo who couldn't even make it on several terrible nhl teams.

If you think Bourques addition is over-rated you aren't watching the games, put down the stats page and turn on your tv.
Cammy has one of the best scoring performances in history in playoffs for the Montreal Canadiens. Get some balance dude. He was ****ing phenomenal in that run. Now you

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Yes cammy is still doing what he does, stand around and let everyone else do the work. What a superstar, I wonder how well he will do without Iginla to leech off of.

Bourque was one of our best players last year on our top line. He was clearly suffering from injuries but why talk about that when your bias is so brutally clear.

"Ramo/Fucale" is a wash? Ya ok, we get a rising talent in Fucale for Ramo who couldn't even make it on several terrible nhl teams.

If you think Bourques addition is over-rated you aren't watching the games, put down the stats page and turn on your tv.
Cammalleri put in some of the best performances we've seen in the last 20 years in the playoffs. Show some respect.

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Cammalleri put in some of the best performances we've seen in the last 20 years in the playoffs. Show some respect.
Two to three weeks of greatness cannot overshadow a career's worth of whining and soft play.

We're the Habs, we shouldn't settle for mediocrity. Show some respect.

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Haha... got me.

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Two to three weeks of greatness cannot overshadow a career's worth of whining and soft play.

We're the Habs, we shouldn't settle for mediocrity. Show some respect.
Mediocrity? Name me playoff performances that were better. If you consider that mediocrity you deserve a Leafs jersey. Joker

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Getting rid of AK was dumb as hell IMO. Said he wanted to stay and would take a discount to do so. Good for 20 goals and a physical game, defensive game improved a lot under JM.
I thought all the Kostitsyn fanboys where gone by now... Wow here we go praising a guy who got kicked off his last NHL team and couldn't get another contract in America. People really need to stop getting so emotionally attached to mediocre players.

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I thought all the Kostitsyn fanboys where gone by now... Wow here we go praising a guy who got kicked off his last NHL team and couldn't get another contract in America. People really need to stop getting so emotionally attached to mediocre players.
I think it's more like he didn't like the money that was offered. If you ignore the last name, Bourque is essentially the less offensive, better defensive, more injury prone version of Kostitsyn.

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I thought all the Kostitsyn fanboys where gone by now... Wow here we go praising a guy who got kicked off his last NHL team and couldn't get another contract in America. People really need to stop getting so emotionally attached to mediocre players.
The guy is good enough and cheap enough, I doubt he got kicked out of the NHL. Probably didn't want to play in a new city.

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Two to three weeks of greatness cannot overshadow a career's worth of whining and soft play.

We're the Habs, we shouldn't settle for mediocrity. Show some respect.
I am with WhiskeySeven.
Cammalleri had a good career, first season with Montreal and an amazing playoff performance, but after his injury he was nothing but a scared little coward who was afraid to go in the corners. He avoided physical contact at all costs, to the point that I am convinced he would intentionally miss passes if he thought that he might have to take a hit while he had the puck.

He would pretend to chase the puck into the corners only to do a cute little jump from the puck side of the defender to make sure that he wasn't the first one to the puck.

On top of all that he gave the impression that he was whining that he wasn't given the opportunity to succeed when his failures were due to his soft play.

Yes he had a great playoff run and I cheered for him hard during that time, but he quickly went down hill after his leg injury and subsequent fear of physical confrontation.

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The guy is good enough and cheap enough, I doubt he got kicked out of the NHL. Probably didn't want to play in a new city.
He got kicked off of Nashville

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He got kicked off of Nashville
Sure, but this doesn't mean no team wanted it. Nashville is a strict uptight system, he couldn't fit there, but he's still a player capable of 20 goals + good physicality.

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He got kicked off of Nashville
You aren't "kicked off" if you fulfill your contract and simply don't get offered a new one... Gomez was "kicked off" the Habs, Koivu wasn't, for example. Kaberle was "kicked off", Hamrlik wasn't, etc.

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Good move by Gauthier it seems.

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You aren't "kicked off" if you fulfill your contract and simply don't get offered a new one... Gomez was "kicked off" the Habs, Koivu wasn't, for example. Kaberle was "kicked off", Hamrlik wasn't, etc.
He was suspended by team for drinking until dawn on a playoff game day! I don't know how much more "kicked off" you can be than that???

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He was suspended by team for drinking until dawn on a playoff game day! I don't know how much more "kicked off" you can be than that???
and he was their best player that game and got the only goal for them if I remember correctly. That story got blown way out of proportion and was handled poorly.

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He was suspended by team for drinking until dawn on a playoff game day! I don't know how much more "kicked off" you can be than that???
Until dawn? Link?

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Dupuis ?

Ability to pull plays at high speed, great 2-way head, nice shot, great skater. Bournival might be tougher, since Dupe is kind of scared of anything that touches the ice.
Good one. Please watch Dupuis one game and you'll know you just said baseless comments. I know it's not the thread for this but cmon. Dupuis hits everything in sight and is a real force on the forecheck. If Bournival ever gets as tough as Dupuis, he'll be praised for it.

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