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09-24-2013, 04:52 PM
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All he was good for is being a 'steady' defensive presence: crushing bodies along the boards, and then passing the puck to Markov who took care of the rest.

His one glorious moment of his whole career was intercepting McCabe's pass to Kaberle and score on a breakaway. Otherwise a black hole offensively and a deer in headlights with the puck, absolutely no support on the rush, and kept coughing it up at the blue line in enemy territory.

When his one redeeming skill got taken away from him (indimidation) he got exposed for the bad hockey player he really is.

Tinordi is a far cry from Komisarek even at this age. He's involved offensively and taking care of buisness in his own end effectively, much more than Komisarek's one dimesion (hitting) could bring on the back-end, combining speed, defensive awareness, and a monster reach.
Komisarek was a monster at one point. I find it unfair to say Tinordi is already better.

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Komisarek was a monster at one point. I find it unfair to say Tinordi is already better.
Well personally, I never recall when he was a monster. I am not a Komisarek basher, at least I don't think, but he was never that good.

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Komisarek was a monster at one point. I find it unfair to say Tinordi is already better.
He already moves the puck better and skates better, at least.


You could probably throw in better fighter.

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A classic case of getting caught up in the moment and overrating our prospects, in my opinion...

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Komisarek was a monster at one point. I find it unfair to say Tinordi is already better.
Komisarek was a beast in the physical game. I remember him running over Lucic on a regular basis against Boston, he'd abuse him like a bad stepchild. He was filled out at 6'4" 235-240lbs, Tinordi is not 100% physically mature, but only 22 also. If only he kept his gloves on, or got boxing lessons...

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Komisarek was a beast in the physical game. I remember him running over Lucic on a regular basis against Boston, he'd abuse him like a bad stepchild. He was filled out at 6'4" 235-240lbs, Tinordi is not 100% physically mature, but only 22 also. If only he kept his gloves on, or got boxing lessons...
He did excellent against Gleason imho.

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Well personally, I never recall when he was a monster. I am not a Komisarek basher, at least I don't think, but he was never that good.
He was among the league leaders in hits and blocked shots for a while. He was a defensive beast. Lucic put an end to that.

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He was among the league leaders in hits and blocked shots for a while. He was a defensive beast. Lucic put an end to that.
Losing 1 fight (and not even that badly) does not completely undo you as a person or a professional. This narrative needs to die, already. Komisarek was already having a tough ass season and was always being carried by markov anyway.

So what that he led the league in hits and blocked shots? Put him next to karlsson or subban now and he'd do the same again, most probably. Doesn't mean he'd be playing his position all that well.

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He did excellent against Gleason imho.
I think he meant Komisarek should have took boxing lessons.

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Losing 1 fight (and not even that badly) does not completely undo you as a person or a professional. This narrative needs to die, already. Komisarek was already having a tough ass season and was always being carried by markov anyway.

So what that he led the league in hits and blocked shots? Put him next to karlsson or subban now and he'd do the same again, most probably. Doesn't mean he'd be playing his position all that well.
Absolutely not. Komisarek is only a shadow of his former self at this point.

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09-24-2013, 06:31 PM
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He was among the league leaders in hits and blocked shots for a while. He was a defensive beast. Lucic put an end to that.
That's part of my point, though. He was good at only that, hitting and blocking shots. I forgot the part where he was elite at shot blocking. But my point still stands, he was null at defending besides from those attributes. Tinordi is much more. I understand how it may see like me preferring the new toy when someone is under that impression that omisarek was actually a decent defender but he was just good for one job and that's being Markov's defensive partner. The parameters for the job were defined and restricted, and that's where he thrived.

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Losing 1 fight (and not even that badly) does not completely undo you as a person or a professional. This narrative needs to die, already. Komisarek was already having a tough ass season and was always being carried by markov anyway.

So what that he led the league in hits and blocked shots? Put him next to karlsson or subban now and he'd do the same again, most probably. Doesn't mean he'd be playing his position all that well.
He's now attrocious, can't play the game anymore.

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He's now attrocious, can't play the game anymore.
That's what happen when you sell your soul.

Bob should have traded him before he walked.

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Absolutely not. Komisarek is only a shadow of his former self at this point.
He still puts up tons of hits. Didn't say anything about how many goals would be whizzing by.

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He still puts up tons of hits. Didn't say anything about how many goals would be whizzing by.
Komisarek at the time was way more than just a hitting machine, c'mon now...

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09-24-2013, 06:41 PM
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Meaner? Not sure about that.
You don't have to be polite. He's not even in the same zip code of "mean"/"nasty" as his dad - not that Mark was in the same league with guys like Stu Grimson or Peluso, or Pronger at his "peak", even.

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Komisarek at the time was way more than just a hitting machine, c'mon now...
Agreed. He was far from being an elite defender but he was a rock for us. Some players just go downhill, Komi was one of them. I'll never fully understand how a guy that big and that willing to be physical would be so terrible at fighting. I feel bad for him to be honest.

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Komisarek at the time was way more than just a hitting machine, c'mon now...
I disagree, and I don't know why you aren't directing this reply at me to be honest.

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Agreed. He was far from being an elite defender but he was a rock for us. Some players just go downhill, Komi was one of them. I'll never fully understand how a guy that big and that willing to be physical would be so terrible at fighting. I feel bad for him to be honest.
Players 'just go downhill' like wat? No they don't, it's their livelihood we're talking about. Komisarek was exposed once he wasn't paired with one of the best defenders in the NHL at the time.

Why would you feel bad either? He thought he had a better chance with our arch rivals and failed miserably. As a Habs fan you point and laugh.


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You don't have to be polite. He's not even in the same zip code of "mean"/"nasty" as his dad - not that Mark was in the same league with guys like Stu Grimson or Peluso, or Pronger at his "peak", even.
called too polite and too harsh in the same day on HF. I love you guys.



But yeah, agreed.

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People have very short memory. Komisarek was a fan favorite here and played very well for us.

Markov-Komi was a great defensive pair. Perfectly balanced.

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People have very short memory. Komisarek was a fan favorite here and played very well for us.

Markov-Komi was a great defensive pair. Perfectly balanced.
I have a long memory friend.

He was a fan favorite, including myself, but that doesn't mean anything about his effectiveness. We cheered his bodychecks, and his tenacity, it was old time hockey back in MTL with him and Quintal for a while and it was great. But his defensive proess was limited to clearing the front of then net, passing it to Markov and banking it off the glass for an icing.

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Losing 1 fight (and not even that badly) does not completely undo you as a person or a professional. This narrative needs to die, already. Komisarek was already having a tough ass season and was always being carried by markov anyway.

So what that he led the league in hits and blocked shots? Put him next to karlsson or subban now and he'd do the same again, most probably. Doesn't mean he'd be playing his position all that well.
I disagree. He was great for us.

As for the lucic thing. I agree here. Let's be honest, defensive d-men don't have a long shelf life. The guy separated his shoulder, lost his confidence and took a beating blocking shots for years. He didn't have strong hockey IQ but he got by and played his role extremely well. The card house fell down for multiple reasons. I just don't think it's fair to say he wasn't great for us, he was really good.

His plan to go to the leafs and not be THE physical element was a smart move career wise because he wouldn't have to carry a team in that department but when he went to TO he tried to do wayyyy too much and he got worse and worse. Lost more confidence and his body didn't exactly stop taking punishment. It's downhill now.

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I disagree. He was great for us.

As for the lucic thing. I agree here. Let's be honest, defensive d-men don't have a long shelf life. The guy separated his shoulder, lost his confidence and took a beating blocking shots for years. He didn't have strong hockey IQ and he got by and played his role extremely well but the card house fell down for multiple reasons. I just don't think it's fair to say he wasn't great for us, he was really good.

His plan to go to the leafs and not be THE physical element was a smart move career wise because he wouldn't have to carry a team in that department but when he went to TO he tried to do wayyyy too much and he got worse and worse. Lost more confidence and his body didn't exactly stop taking punishment. It's downhill now.
Very true. When you're body is that big (He's was/is about 240lbs. ) it must get harder and harder to drag all that weight around when you're banged up as time goes on.

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Losing 1 fight (and not even that badly) does not completely undo you as a person or a professional. This narrative needs to die, already. Komisarek was already having a tough ass season and was always being carried by markov anyway.

So what that he led the league in hits and blocked shots? Put him next to karlsson or subban now and he'd do the same again, most probably. Doesn't mean he'd be playing his position all that well.
Disagree. For a couple of years, Komisarek was one of the best defensive defenseman in the game. Hitting everything, while being a shot blocking machine.

That fight wasn't just a beating on his pride, he messed up his shoulder pretty bad in it.

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Disagree. For a couple of years, Komisarek was one of the best defensive defenseman in the game. Hitting everything, while being a shot blocking machine.

That fight wasn't just a beating on his pride, he messed up his shoulder pretty bad in it.
By that logic so was Luke Schenn. N'either were ever prime defenseive defenseman ever during their careers, calling Komisarek that is just habs fan pride.

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