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09-25-2013, 07:31 PM
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Stastny + Johnson for Bozak + Phaneuf + Gunnarson?
Let's just nip this in the bud now. Erik Johnson is not for sale unless a better defender is coming back. Stastny + Johnson for a marginal upgrade just so we can get saddled with Bozak's contract and add a middle pairing guy in Gunnarson doesn't make us better.

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09-25-2013, 07:47 PM
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I know its been proposed before, but, this deal makes sense for both teams. Leafs have a log jam at d, avs have a log jam at center. Both contracts run out at the end of the year, cap hits are roughly the same and this trade makes both teams better and lets face it both players need a change of scenery.
Why does Phaneuf need a change of scenery?

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Phaneuf isnt perfect but he isnt a player that looks like he would vastly improve by going to another team. He isnt a guy the team should be looking to trade and certainly not for a guy who's numbers have regressed for several straight seasons.

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Let's just nip this in the bud now. Erik Johnson is not for sale unless a better defender is coming back. Stastny + Johnson for a marginal upgrade just so we can get saddled with Bozak's contract and add a middle pairing guy in Gunnarson doesn't make us better.
Fortunately for Leaf fans, Dion Phaneuf is way better than Erik Johnson.

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09-25-2013, 08:42 PM
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I like how you're telling a Leaf fan to "keep dreaming" when he proposes Phaneuf+Bozak for Stastny

I dunno what Leaf fans really want Statsny??


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LOL, why would the Leafs want Stasny?

Phaneuf for O'Rielly is more fair.
I agree but Dion isn't really moveable with his salary and he wants to stay and should resign cheaper(hopefully)

I am more inclined to do a Gardiner+/- for ROR+/-

 
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LOL, why would the Leafs want Stasny?

Phaneuf for O'Rielly is more fair.
Ha, good rental for good RFA is nowhere near fair. Take the homer glasses off.

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09-25-2013, 09:09 PM
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I'm not a fan of Phaneuf's but with Bozak now signed long-term there's no need to rock the boat for Stastny. Now I'm not saying that Bozak is as good as Stastny but Phaneuf does plays too big a role on our club to deal for a slight upgrade at center. This ship has sailed

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09-25-2013, 09:14 PM
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no way. phaneuf's an anchor on our d-core. if he goes, our d looks like crap. i'd rather resign phaneuf than trade for stasny.

plus if we do acquire stasny, we're going to have a logjam at center. where the hell do we play bozak? kadri, bolland and mcclement have the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line C's locked down. stasny is useless to us.

trade him to another team if you are looking to get value back cause we're not giving up our captain for a UFA (yes i get it that phaneuf's a UFA as well but at this time he's more useful to our team than stasny.).


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09-25-2013, 09:19 PM
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add Bozak and Johnson

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Easy no.

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1. Phaneuf is our only true top line D and our captain.
2. Statsny isn't a 1C (He's a 2c)
3. Phaneuf is a better defenseman than Statsny is center.
And that is the killer right there.

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Statsny for Bozak+Franson+2nd

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From a Leafs fan, helllllll no.

People can think Dion is overrated all they want, but Stastny we truly have no need for with his contract. Dion's our captain and Stastny has done nothing over the last few years for me to ever want him on my team.
yep. only player I would trade phaneuf for is duchene.

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09-25-2013, 10:27 PM
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Statsny for Bozak+Franson+2nd
That doesn't help the Avs even a little bit.

Edit: On second thought, the value itself isn't bad. I'm just not willing to be saddled with Bozak's contract in exchange for Franson. So still a no.

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yep. only player I would trade phaneuf for is duchene.
That's just an asinine proposition.


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Statsny for Bozak+Franson+2nd
I wouldn't trade the 2nd for Stastny.

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I wouldn't trade the 2nd for Stastny.
And I wouldn't trade Stastny for Bozak, Franson, and the 2nd.



Guess it's a bad proposal.

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And I wouldn't trade Stastny for Bozak, Franson, and the 2nd.



Guess it's a bad proposal.
No, I think Stastny is just a mediocre player and you have a poor understanding of Bozak and Franson, since Bozak is going to give you pretty similar production to Stastny alone and you get a top 4 defenseman with wingspan and a second round pick for no reason at all, not to mention Bozak is cheaper.

77 points in 119 games versus 75 points in 119 games over the past two years.

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And I wouldn't trade Stastny for Bozak, Franson, and the 2nd.



Guess it's a bad proposal.


You'd cream your pants if the leafs gave that up for stasny. Lol @ saying you wouldn't.

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09-26-2013, 12:05 AM
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Stastny + Johnson for Bozak + Phaneuf + Gunnarson?
And why on Earth would the Leafs be adding to that deal? Easy no.

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stastny ship sailed this summer, unless there is an offer that simply cannot be refused (definitely not this one lol), then this trade proposal has no ground what so ever.

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No, I think Stastny is just a mediocre player and you have a poor understanding of Bozak and Franson, since Bozak is going to give you pretty similar production to Stastny alone and you get a top 4 defenseman with wingspan and a second round pick for no reason at all, not to mention Bozak is cheaper.



77 points in 119 games versus 75 points in 119 games over the past two years.

Lets see, what not to like. Let's start with Paul Stastny. Stastny, barring injuries ravaging our wingers, should finally have good linemates this year, currently it looks like Landeskog/Tanguay. Unless a few guys get injured he should actually be able to play with quality NHL talent, something that for much of the past few years he has not had. He has also been stuck with a terrible coach, and made a few comments that didn't exactly make it sound that he liked Sacco. Roy so far has sounded excited when he talks about Stastny. With a new coach and finally good linemates, I have high hopes for Stastny. This in my opinion is his make or break year. If he plays well, we can either try to keep him, trade him at the deadline, or if he's terrible, let him walk. Problem gone, and we get to look forward to Duchene/MacKinnon down the middle and potentially O'Reilly.



Now let's say we have Bozak. We have him sitting on our 3rd line until 2018 earning 4.2m a year. Those 70+ points? He was playing with Phil Kessel, one of the best wingers in the league. Honestly, do you think he'd be close to those numbers if he'd be playing 3rd line minutes, playing with a guy like McGinn instead and maybe Tanguay? I'm sorry, I don't see it. Bozak does a decent job at his role right now, but I want him nowhere near the Avs.


Franson had a great year last year, no doubt about it. Personally, I'd actually like to see him repeat it in an 82 game season before I buy it. We've already have one contract problem, we don't need another. He also happens to be an offensive right handed defensman. A guy like Gunnarsson would be far far better suited to the Avs.


A second round pick...well, it's a second round pick.


It's nothing against your players, just my opinion. If you disagree, fine. I'm sure you know way more about Bozak/Franson than I do, as well as the Leafs needs. I understand that you guys probably don't want Stastny. Hopefully you can understand we want to keep Stastny right now and want nothing to do with a guy like Bozak.


As to BetterCallSaul, you can "lol" and post useless stuff like "you'd cream your pants" all you want. I'll sit back and enjoy.

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No from Toronto, and I am not even Phaneuf's biggest fan.

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Stastny + Johnson for Bozak + Phaneuf + Gunnarson?
Rip off for the Leafs.

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I like Stastny, he's a solid top 6 centre, but I think this deal makes us worse, not better. Without Dion we have a HUGGGGEEEE hole on D. He's our best all around dman by far, we rely on him very heavily in almost all situations. Who is our #1 dman without Dion? Gunnarsson, Gardiner, Franson, all would crumble and look awful in this role.

Bozak isn't a great #1 C at all, but he's good enough. He wins faceoffs, is solid defensively, always makes smart/safe plays with the puck, is decently physical, he gets the job done. Replacing him with Stastny makes the 1st line better, but not way better. Meanwhile removing Dion from our D more or less cripples our defence.

Ultimately a #1 dman is more important to us than a sort of #1/#2 tweener centre like Stastny. This isn't a bad or insulting proposal or anything like that, but I just don't think it makes sense for the Leafs.

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Stastny + Johnson for Bozak + Phaneuf + Gunnarson?
Stastny + Johnson + 4th

for

Phaneuf + Bozak + 2nd

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I'd rather hold onto staz, if we can't re-sign him he'll get swapped for a typical rental deal, not another rental. We've got a chance to run three top lines and keep it together for a while as the defense catches up.

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If Toronto was serious about trading Phaneuf they could easily get more

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