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Ron Francis or Doug Gilmour?

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11-12-2006, 02:18 PM
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Francis.

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11-13-2006, 02:28 PM
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Definitely Francis.

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11-13-2006, 04:09 PM
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My vote goes to Francis. He should go into the HOF as a Penguins player where he won his only 2 Stanley Cup Rings. Francis was consistent wherever he played and was a great person, because I knew him and his family personally.
Francis is a classact and should be a HOF player.

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11-13-2006, 04:15 PM
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This is a really good question... personally I think Doug Gilmour was better. He had the defensive aspect of the game down pat as well as the offensive game. The year he got one of his highest point totals he also won the Selke trophy for best defensive forward, that shows what a great player he was. The only reason he didn't win the cup was because Gretzky high-sticked him and didn't get a penalty then scored the game winner. So the Leafs got screwed. Francis won the cup alongside maybe the greatest hockey player of all times, IMO better than Gretzy, Mario Lemieux.

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11-13-2006, 06:33 PM
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Gilmour for a couple seasons(early 90s) would have been better, but basing it on a career i will go with Francis.

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The only reason he didn't win the cup was because Gretzky high-sticked him and didn't get a penalty then scored the game winner. So the Leafs got screwed. Francis won the cup alongside maybe the greatest hockey player of all times, IMO better than Gretzy, Mario Lemieux.
1. Although some leaf fans might not realize it he did have a career outside of Toronto and won a cup in 1989 with Calgary

2. Let's assume Gretzky got called for a penalty, toronto still would have to have scored a goal and beat Montreal in the finals. I think you're taking a big leap that Toronto would have won the cup if that call was made.


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11-14-2006, 09:08 AM
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Francis got to play with Lemieux, Gilmour didn't.

I say Gilmour but not by much. Very close
Gilmour got to play with The Wendel though...so it's pretty close.

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11-17-2006, 09:14 PM
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In a walk, this isn't close at all.
Actually this is very close, and it's not even close about it being close.
Case closed.

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11-18-2006, 07:19 PM
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Francis in a cakewalk.

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11-23-2006, 09:02 PM
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I'm choosing Gilmour for obvious bias reasons, but also because i loved the way he played the game. He played with such passion and engergy, not that Francis didn't, but its easier to see it in a smaller guy.

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11-23-2006, 09:12 PM
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anybody with the last name Francis is nicknamed Franchise.
Steve, Ron, and who else?

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Eli Francis, captain of the Abbotsford Ferritt-Legging association.

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11-23-2006, 09:32 PM
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Eli Francis, captain of the Abbotsford Ferritt-Legging association.
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wow... such a great comparison. I'd have to take Gilmour.

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And alluminium foil at that!

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Like a lot of you have already mentioned, Gilmour had a better peak level than Francis, when he was one of the top offensive centermen while dominating defensively and leading the playoff charge for the Leafs, while Francis was the steady, consistent guy who did the same thing every year. Francis also played with considerably superior talent throughout the latter part of his career, so that must have helped.

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11-25-2006, 02:07 AM
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Francis had the longer sustained success, but Gilmour's best was better than Francis at his best.

Close call, and a much more even comparison than Francis vs. Yzerman. Gun to my head, I'd probably go with Gilmour. Gilmour played his best when the games mattered the most.

Exactly. Gilmour's 3 or 4 best years are far and away better than anything Francis had... but Francis was consistently good for a much longer period of time.

Gun to the head... Gimour's my guy too... (see 1989 Stanley Cup finals).

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