HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Trade in works for Flyers?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
09-28-2013, 05:50 AM
  #26
flyersfan018
Registered User
 
flyersfan018's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NJ
Posts: 3,452
vCash: 50
Can we trade Laviolette?

flyersfan018 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 06:57 AM
  #27
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 8,697
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneFullHolmgren View Post
if they trade Gus and sign Hal Gill I will not be pleased.
Very unlikely IMO. Gus is very cheap at one mil and is still an RFA.

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 08:02 AM
  #28
GKJ
Global Moderator
Entertainment
 
GKJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Do not trade plz
Country: United States
Posts: 111,097
vCash: 500
They literally cannot afford to trade Gustafsson. He makes a number where they need a guy like that on the roster.

GKJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 08:48 AM
  #29
RJ8812
Gunner Stahl #9
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sudbury
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,532
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyersfan018 View Post
Can we trade Laviolette?
he'll be gone by the end of october, so don't worry

RJ8812 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 09:04 AM
  #30
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,947
vCash: 500
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 09:23 AM
  #31
RJ8812
Gunner Stahl #9
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Sudbury
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,532
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.
uh oh.......

RJ8812 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 09:35 AM
  #32
lancer247
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,020
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drury_Sakic View Post
Hunwick + Mitchell for Meszaros


Avs would need to clear a D man off the roster, plus Hunwick balances out some of the salary that the Avs are taking back on in Meszaros.

If he can be happy in the role, Mitchell is actually a decent 3rd/4th line energy winger that has some scoring pop. In a pinch he is capable of being a 2nd/3rd line winger and a 2nd PP player.

The thought process that I imagine Mitchell is having right now is that he wants the chance to get 2nd/3rd line ice time to drive up his value on his next contract. There is a legit chance that he might not even dress every night for the Avs given their forward depth/needs. There is no room in the top 9, and he might not fit on the 4th line due to the Avs probably looking for a more rough and tumble 2-way center, being Brad Malone at the moment.

Mitchell is nothing special, but he is a decent depth winger. He can also play center, but is better on the wing.
I am not as concerned about his scoring as I am about them getting another top 9 forward that can win some one that can win some board battles. Too many long stretches with no TOP in the o zone.

Hopefully, Kings look to move one of there many enormous wingers (King, Nolan even Frattin)

lancer247 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 09:52 AM
  #33
jd2210
Registered Non User
 
jd2210's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Great White North
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,540
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.
If he plays like how Bergeron did with the Oilers I'd be happy with that.

jd2210 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 10:53 AM
  #34
Gert B Frobe
Registered User
 
Gert B Frobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Morgantown PA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,474
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.
I think he's somewhere in between mediocre and bad and nowhere near as good as some on this board think he is. He has played well for short streaks but has shown no ability to maintain it for more than a couple weeks.

Gert B Frobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 11:10 AM
  #35
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 8,697
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gert B Frobe View Post
I think he's somewhere in between mediocre and bad and nowhere near as good as some on this board think he is. He has played well for short streaks but has shown no ability to maintain it for more than a couple weeks.
He was good pretty much all of last year, which is more then a couple week but yeah I get you point. He has consistency issues. Best way to see if he's ever going to amount to anything is to let him play and considering how terrible Mez has been I don't really see how that's a problem.

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 12:40 PM
  #36
FLYguy3911
Registered User
 
FLYguy3911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 4,674
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.
I wish he was MAB. At least I could tolerate him getting turned inside out.

FLYguy3911 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 12:53 PM
  #37
GoneFullHextall
Fire Berube
 
GoneFullHextall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Somewhere in NH
Country: United States
Posts: 31,854
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 View Post
Very unlikely IMO. Gus is very cheap at one mil and is still an RFA.
I agree. But we have been down this road before about the organization liking a vet(Gill) over a younger player(Gus)
Not they have ever traded a younger player to give him a chance to play elsewhere before

GoneFullHextall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:11 PM
  #38
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beefitor
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 38,979
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I wouldn't mind if some sucker team gave us something at least useful for Gustafsson. He's bad and it's time people start admitting it. He's not a full time nhl defenseman and he won't ever be. He's Bruno Gervais or Marc-Andre Bergeron.
His skill level is in line with his cap hit. That isn't the case with Coburn, Mez, or at this point, probably Timonen for half the season and likely Streit...we'll find out with him. The D is outrageously expensive for what they are. I'd rather have Gus on the cheap than sign a vet like him for more...or a worse vet on the decline for less.

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:29 PM
  #39
RobinDIF
Size doesn't matter!
 
RobinDIF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Stockholm
Country: Sweden
Posts: 4,579
vCash: 500
Avs-fan.

What would be the price if Avs were asking for lets say Grossmann or Coburn insteand of Mezsaros? Have a feeling there are some players on the Avs roster that Philly would like. Jamie McGinn for example.

RobinDIF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:36 PM
  #40
Boxscore
#oldNHL
 
Boxscore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 1974-94
Posts: 4,759
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinDIF View Post
Avs-fan.

What would be the price if Avs were asking for lets say Grossmann or Coburn insteand of Mezsaros? Have a feeling there are some players on the Avs roster that Philly would like. Jamie McGinn for example.
How about Jamie McGinn, Stefan Elliott and a 3rd rounder for Maxime Talbot and Nicklas Grossmann?

Boxscore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:49 PM
  #41
RobinDIF
Size doesn't matter!
 
RobinDIF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Stockholm
Country: Sweden
Posts: 4,579
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustafsson View Post
How about Jamie McGinn, Stefan Elliott and a 3rd rounder for Maxime Talbot and Nicklas Grossmann?
Maybe if you skip the 3rd rounder. Starting to lose hope in Elliott. He is allergic to physical play and is exactly where he was two years ago.

RobinDIF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:59 PM
  #42
Boxscore
#oldNHL
 
Boxscore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 1974-94
Posts: 4,759
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinDIF View Post
tarting to lose hope in Elliott. He is allergic to physical play and is exactly where he was two years ago.
Which is exactly why the Avs need to add the 3rd. Grossmann is a rock solid 3rd pairing, shutdown defenseman who plays physical and can actually move the puck decently. Talbot is a more proven and accomplished version of McGinn. I think a 3rd rounder included is fair.

Boxscore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 01:59 PM
  #43
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
His skill level is in line with his cap hit. That isn't the case with Coburn, Mez, or at this point, probably Timonen for half the season and likely Streit...we'll find out with him. The D is outrageously expensive for what they are. I'd rather have Gus on the cheap than sign a vet like him for more...or a worse vet on the decline for less.
I'm not looking at value here. I'm looking at whether he can play, and those guys who you listed as being paid more than they bring are all better players than Gustafsson is (Mez being debatable because he's been awful). His cap his is irrelevant if he can't be trusted with regular nhl shifts. We could fill our roster with players who are paid honestly for what they being, and you know what? we'd be finishing 30th every year.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:02 PM
  #44
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beefitor
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 38,979
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I'm not looking at value here. I'm looking at whether he can play, and those guys who you listed as being paid more than they bring are all better players than Gustafsson is (Mez being debatable because he's been awful). His cap his is irrelevant if he can't be trusted with regular nhl shifts. We could fill our roster with players who are paid honestly for what they being, and you know what? we'd be finishing 30th every year.
I trust Gus more than I trust Gervais and Mez. He's always had a tendency to improve with more playing time, and the team in general is a hot mess right now; that's not going to help many players look good.

Gervais is only going to get worse from here on out and Mez looks like a husk of himself.

Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:16 PM
  #45
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,947
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
I trust Gus more than I trust Gervais and Mez. He's always had a tendency to improve with more playing time, and the team in general is a hot mess right now; that's not going to help many players look good.

Gervais is only going to get worse from here on out and Mez looks like a husk of himself.
I'd rather have him out there than Gervais too, I was referring to Coburn, Timonen, Streit etc.

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:19 PM
  #46
RobinDIF
Size doesn't matter!
 
RobinDIF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Stockholm
Country: Sweden
Posts: 4,579
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustafsson View Post
Which is exactly why the Avs need to add the 3rd. Grossmann is a rock solid 3rd pairing, shutdown defenseman who plays physical and can actually move the puck decently. Talbot is a more proven and accomplished version of McGinn. I think a 3rd rounder included is fair.
I think giving up McGinn is the hard part. He is gritty and skilled enough to score 20-25 goals on a regular basis. But Avs might be ready to sacrifice him to upgrade on D. I wouldn't swap him for Talbot, even do I would love to add Max.

RobinDIF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:29 PM
  #47
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beefitor
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 38,979
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
I'd rather have him out there than Gervais too, I was referring to Coburn, Timonen, Streit etc.
I'm just saying that we have way too much spent on defense. Almost everyone is overpayed for what they bring. It's the sort of petty waste that just makes it harder to build depth elsewhere, like on forward or in net.

Going with Gus, a player whose skills are in line with what he's paid, would signal a shift to a more responsible model of building a d-corps.

Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:44 PM
  #48
TheCerebral1
Hockey Heaven
 
TheCerebral1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 551
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustafsson View Post
How about Jamie McGinn, Stefan Elliott and a 3rd rounder for Maxime Talbot and Nicklas Grossmann?
Bigras is an interesting talent. Why not him.

TheCerebral1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 02:48 PM
  #49
hockeyfish
Registered User
 
hockeyfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Back in the FoCo
Country: United States
Posts: 7,043
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCerebral1 View Post
Bigras is an interesting talent. Why not him.
Roy has a nearly criminal man-crush on him. No way he is getting traded.

hockeyfish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-28-2013, 03:03 PM
  #50
Avs_19
Peter the Great
 
Avs_19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 37,035
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCerebral1 View Post
Bigras is an interesting talent. Why not him.
He's not untouchable or anything because that would just be silly but I don't think he's going anywhere. The Avs head scout loves him and so does Roy.

Avs_19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:22 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.