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09-28-2013, 11:13 PM
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What is the matter with Kreider?
Is he lazy, a bust?
I don't understand how again he is not solidified.

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What is the matter with Kreider?
Is he lazy, a bust?
I don't understand how again he is not solidified.
Mostly, he's 22 years old.

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Just out of curiosity, and you must be seeing something that I am not at all, what do you base that statement on ? Merely looking to get educated.

Kreider has, with a lot of Rangers, had a very underwhelming pre-season, and this is a guy that needed to develop from the previous season to obtain a spot in the roster. He has, by my judgement at least, not done that.
I'm assuming he means highest ceiling. Which i wouldn't necessarily disagree with.

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What is the matter with Kreider?
Is he lazy, a bust?
I don't understand how again he is not solidified.
He's just not that bright imo. He doesn't know where to be, he can't read plays. Every once in a while when he does read a situation properly, he looks fantastic, because he has all the skill and physical attributes to be an elite NHL player. But he's just an idiot, and I'm not sure you can teach hockey IQ. He's especially bad defensively but that would be a non-factor if his offense was going, just put him on the Stepan line.

In any case I will be pretty upset if at any point we see Chris Kreider at the expense of JT Miller. I'm a huge fan of his, and his game in preseason looked so refined. He plays beyond his age and I love his work ethic, two way ability and physicality. As long as he can keep the turnovers under control and keep being smart with the puck, he absolutely should be on this team.

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09-28-2013, 11:41 PM
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He's just not that bright imo. He doesn't know where to be, he can't read plays. Every once in a while when he does read a situation properly, he looks fantastic, because he has all the skill and physical attributes to be an elite NHL player. But he's just an idiot, and I'm not sure you can teach hockey IQ. He's especially bad defensively but that would be a non-factor if his offense was going, just put him on the Stepan line.

In any case I will be pretty upset if at any point we see Chris Kreider at the expense of JT Miller. I'm a huge fan of his, and his game in preseason looked so refined. He plays beyond his age and I love his work ethic, two way ability and physicality. As long as he can keep the turnovers under control and keep being smart with the puck, he absolutely should be on this team.
I think he's too bright and thinking too much out there. When he lets his instincts take over his skill set really shows through.

I like Miller a lot too

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I think he's too bright and thinking too much out there. When he lets his instincts take over his skill set really shows through.

I like Miller a lot too
Spot on. And yeah, Miller's gonna be a good one.

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What I would like to see

(FAT CHANCE):

Miller - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Richards - Lindberg - Fast
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
  • Pyatt is traded for a mid/lower pick. Not happening with AV though
  • One of Asham/Mashinter used as a spare to keep toughness in the lineup. The other guy sees AHL ice or is lost on waivers (BIG DEAL)
  • One of Jeff Schultz/Keaton Ellerby picked up waivers as #7 D option
  • Powe, Bickel and Falk are all waived/demoted
  • Kreider is sent down (needs to get confidence & find game) for more seasoning along with Hrivik and Allen (both looked good though)
  • Richards and Boyle both moved to wing position. Richards plays with the Swedes maybe bringing back some creativity to his MOJO. Boyle on the 4th line where he belongs. He can PK & move up in games where we need to protect the lead.
  • Hagelin (put on LTIR), Callahan are both unfortunately still injured

McDonagh - Girardi
Staal - Del Zotto
Moore - Stralman
Schultz/Ellerby

Simple

When Cally + Hagelin return there will need to be some more roster movement. Either via demotions or trades. Or both.
Works capwise and is by far the best option IMO

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09-29-2013, 06:49 AM
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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) /
Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) /
Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Justin Falk ($0.975m) / Stu Bickel ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,025,833; BONUSES: $650,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): -$1,075,833

Rangers place Callahan on IR and Hagelin on LTI. 23 players. 13 forwards. 8 D. 2 goalies. They exceed the cap with Hagelin on long-term IR.

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09-29-2013, 06:59 AM
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Sather has always had a simplistic view of the world. When the Rangers acquired Lindros in 2001,Sather had Lindros checked by a concussion specialist in Montreal. Lindros passed all of the tests and was given a clean bill of health. When they asked Sather about the 6 documented concussions,he said the doctor said he is fine. He didn't believe in one concussion making a player more at risk for another concussion. Eric had at least 6. Lindros lasted not even 3 months before he got concussed by bumping into Mark Smith in San Jose. It wasn't a hard hit.

Same thing with Richards. According to Slats,Richards was negotiating the CBA and that's why he struggled last season. He attended a few meetings. The last meeting I think he attended was in early December when Bettman and Daly did their "we will die on the hill for 5 years contract term limits" routine. No meetings took place again until New Years Eve and that first week in January. Richards was in PEI for the holidays.

The Rangers are stuck with him for another year and they better hope Richards doesn't suffer an injury which prevents the buyout.


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09-29-2013, 07:26 AM
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Sather has always had a simplistic view of the world. When the Rangers acquired Lindros in 2011,Sather had Lindros checked by a concussion specialist in Montreal. Lindros passed all of the tests and was given a clean bill of health. When they asked Sather about the 6 documented concussions,he said the doctor said he is fine. He didn't believe in one concussion making a player more at risk for another concussion. Eric had at least 6. Lindros lasted not even 3 months before he got concussed by bumping into Mark Smith in San Jose. It wasn't a hard hit.

Same thing with Richards. According to Slats,Richards was negotiating the CBA and that's why he struggled last season. He attended a few meetings. The last meeting I think he attended was in early December when Bettman and Daly did there "we will die on the hill for 5 years contract term limits". No meetings took place again until New Years Eve and that first week in January. Richards was in PEI for the holidays.

The Rangers are stuck with him for another year and they better hope Richards doesn't suffer an injury which prevents the buyout.
Richards will be given a ~20 game tryout, if he is still the same shell of his former self they will force him to sit out the season.

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09-29-2013, 08:13 AM
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Sather has always had a simplistic view of the world. When the Rangers acquired Lindros in 2011,Sather had Lindros checked by a concussion specialist in Montreal. Lindros passed all of the tests and was given a clean bill of health. When they asked Sather about the 6 documented concussions,he said the doctor said he is fine. He didn't believe in one concussion making a player more at risk for another concussion. Eric had at least 6. Lindros lasted not even 3 months before he got concussed by bumping into Mark Smith in San Jose. It wasn't a hard hit.

Same thing with Richards. According to Slats,Richards was negotiating the CBA and that's why he struggled last season. He attended a few meetings. The last meeting I think he attended was in early December when Bettman and Daly did there "we will die on the hill for 5 years contract term limits". No meetings took place again until New Years Eve and that first week in January. Richards was in PEI for the holidays.

The Rangers are stuck with him for another year and they better hope Richards doesn't suffer an injury which prevents the buyout.
There is a little perspective on this issue though.

This year teams had no space, still Streit, Lecav, Clowe and co got insane deals. In the coming years, teams will get space but due to the big pile of long term contracts signed the last handful of years, very few good players will end up hitting the market.

We are where we are today because Slats signed the 4 previous big name UFAs that he did, right? Without the Drury, Gomez, Redden and Gabby signing we don't have McD, Brassard, John Moore and Dorsett. That is a big part of our lineups, and those signings where as a whole pretty disasterous.

Its not good to pay Brad Richards 6.8m per. But as long as he doesn't become a complete disaster, but scores like at a 60 pts pace, maybe its worth keeping him around due to the fact that the options turns out to be worse.

OTOH, there is definitely a risk of him becoming a complete disaster. It depends on him and the environment we provide him with.

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There is a little perspective on this issue though.

This year teams had no space, still Streit, Lecav, Clowe and co got insane deals. In the coming years, teams will get space but due to the big pile of long term contracts signed the last handful of years, very few good players will end up hitting the market.

We are where we are today because Slats signed the 4 previous big name UFAs that he did, right? Without the Drury, Gomez, Redden and Gabby signing we don't have McD, Brassard, John Moore and Dorsett. That is a big part of our lineups, and those signings where as a whole pretty disasterous.

Its not good to pay Brad Richards 6.8m per. But as long as he doesn't become a complete disaster, but scores like at a 60 pts pace, maybe its worth keeping him around due to the fact that the options turns out to be worse.

OTOH, there is definitely a risk of him becoming a complete disaster. It depends on him and the environment we provide him with.
The issue with Richards though isn't that he will prevent us from signing a big-ticket UFA in the summer. It's that our core will get a lot more expensive in the upcoming summers and we can't afford having his contract taking up all that space.

Lundqvist will get a $1-2M increase. Callahan $1-1.5M. Girardi $2-2.5M. Zuccarello $1-3M. Strålman $0.5-2M if we keep him. Pouliot $0.5-2M if we keep him. And that's just this summer.

The next we have Staal +$1.5-2.5M. Del Zotto +$1-2M. Hagelin +$2-4M depending on his development. Brassard +$1-3M. Stepan +$2.5-4M.

That and the risk of a cap recapture penalty in the future.

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The Rangers keeping Richards put a strain on keeping Stepan. Gorton seemed to indicate it was a cap issue with Stepan. The cap was set at $64.3M.

It sounds like Gorton preferred a long term deal for Stepan. Not sure where Sather stood.

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So how do you identify which players get the bridge and which players to commit to long term?

"That's a tough question," said Rangers assistant GM Jeff Gorton, talking in general terms and not about Stepan. "In this day and age, we have a cap team and having the type of players that we have on our team, making the kind of money we have, sometimes it's circumstance more than the player."

And that's what is happening with the Rangers right now. They clearly like Stepan, but they are squeezed financially, which makes the bridge deal the preferred course of action.
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"You only have that much money to go around," Gorton said. "It's hard. It's just the reality of the situation. Sometimes guys have to wait. That's just the way it is."
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Sather said Stepan was getting a bridge deal in August.

The Rangers could have given Stepan a longer term deal and added another player with the $6,666,667 committed to Richards. Stepan would have been in camp from day one of camp. Now the Rangers and Stepan are playing catch up.

JT Miller as the 3rd center behind Stepan and Brassard. Miller is better in the middle.

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Can't we just waive Richards? Or is there a problem I don't see ? ...

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Can't we just waive Richards? Or is there a problem I don't see ? ...
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I guess Redden was pre that CBA, huh? This sucks ... if we buy him out, we'd have to pay quite a bit right for the next couple of seasons?

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Redden had a no trade clause, not a no move clause. A small detail which ended up having huge consequences on this team.

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I think that Kreider and Miller both make the team while Cally and Hags are out, but as soon as one is ready (and I think Cally is gonna play in the opener) it will be Miller who makes it over Kreider. He simply looks better and brings more intensity..

Fast has, for the most part, impressed, but I just don't think there's room for him to make the team this season. He will be here next year, probably in Pouliot's spot.
Well, I almost got that spot on. I didn't anticipate Fast being the one to stay up until we were healthy, just by virtue of experience. Otherwise this is exactly what I expected regarding Kreider and Miller.

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wondering if some knowledgable fans can point me in the right direction here.

What the PP situation looking like this year? Is McD finally gonna get some 1st PP time? Or will MDZ hog everything with richards? Or is Girardi more likely to get PP time than McD?

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wondering if some knowledgable fans can point me in the right direction here.

What the PP situation looking like this year? Is McD finally gonna get some 1st PP time? Or will MDZ hog everything with richards? Or is Girardi more likely to get PP time than McD?

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It's a bit up in the air. AV/Arniel wants a good balance of RH and LH shots on the PP, which I agree with. But they have continued trotting out Girardi there during pre-season and he has no business on an AHL PP, let alone an NHL one.

It does however look like they are reluctant to put a forward on the point, so my guess is that MDZ, Strålman, McD, Staal will see the bulk of the PP time once they figure out that Girardi plays enough minutes as is. No reason to tire him out on the PP when he isn't contributing there anyway.

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It's a bit up in the air. AV/Arniel wants a good balance of RH and LH shots on the PP, which I agree with. But they have continued trotting out Girardi there during pre-season and he has no business on an AHL PP, let alone an NHL one.

It does however look like they are reluctant to put a forward on the point, so my guess is that MDZ, Strålman, McD, Staal will see the bulk of the PP time once they figure out that Girardi plays enough minutes as is. No reason to tire him out on the PP when he isn't contributing there anyway.
I think Moore is going to get time. Probably the best shot of the defensemen.

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I think Moore is going to get time. Probably the best shot of the defensemen.
True, forgot about that. Moore and Staal have the best shots, Del Zotto the best passing game, Strålman and McDonagh the best "point poise".

I'd argue that the last trait is the most important, but I'd just get shouted down.

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Richards will be given a ~20 game tryout, if he is still the same shell of his former self they will force him to sit out the season.
Richards is not on a tryout--he's on the team for better or worse. He may work himself down the food chain and even be scratched now and again if he's playing like **** but the Rangers are going to do their level best to have him in the lineup as much as possible. They're not going to worry themselves over what happens in the summer when they're playing in the fall, winter and spring. That their M.O. They'll leave the worrying about Richards health and potential future cap problems all to us--the non decision makers.

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He's just not that bright imo. He doesn't know where to be, he can't read plays. Every once in a while when he does read a situation properly, he looks fantastic, because he has all the skill and physical attributes to be an elite NHL player. But he's just an idiot, and I'm not sure you can teach hockey IQ. He's especially bad defensively but that would be a non-factor if his offense was going, just put him on the Stepan line.

In any case I will be pretty upset if at any point we see Chris Kreider at the expense of JT Miller. I'm a huge fan of his, and his game in preseason looked so refined. He plays beyond his age and I love his work ethic, two way ability and physicality. As long as he can keep the turnovers under control and keep being smart with the puck, he absolutely should be on this team.
So basically he has the skills, it's not the work ethic, it's learning the game?
He pretty much has played his career thus far on skills alone, but in the NHL unless you are Lemieux you can't.

Is this like a pitcher who throws 99 but doesn't yet know how to pitch or a WR with great size and speed who can't run routes?

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I think we as a fan base make way too big of a deal out of who is shooting the puck form the blueline and nowhere near a big enough deal about establishing posession in the offenseive zone on the powerplay

If AV's system can consistantly maintain possesion inside the offensive zone the powerplay wil be leaps and bounds better than the last few years

unfortunately, a lot of the problem stems from complete inability to win faceoffs, particulaly clutch ones. I doubt we'll see much improvement in that regard, but if we can maintain possesion through the neutral zone, set up and move the puck, the PP will be greatly improved regardless of who is pulling the trigger on the blueline.

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