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09-28-2013, 05:53 PM
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We would all get really sick of watching Mitchell try to dangle through teams. The guy thinks he's ****ing Gretzky.

I'd honestly rather hold onto Meszaros. You already know if he gets traded he's going to be back to his old self wherever he goes, and then everybody will start *****ing we let him go. Rinse, repeat. I know he's sucked this pre season but I expect him to rebound and he's better than Gustafsson.

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09-28-2013, 05:56 PM
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I really hate Releasing hall. He does everything a 4th liner is suppose to do and does it well, and he is cheap. Really how are we going to top that?

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I really hate Releasing hall. He does everything a 4th liner is suppose to do and does it well, and he is cheap. Really how are we going to top that?
we really can't. he's exactly what a 4th liner is supposed to be. cheap and effective in his role

I have no idea what Homer's thinking was for this move. Laughton should not be replacing him as the 4th line center

What if Laughton sucks in his first 9 games and is sent back? Who do we have that can replace him on the 4th line? Talbot is a terrible centerman.

I know it's just a 4th line position, but this was a poor decision in my opinion because now to replace him, we'll either have to give up an asset to trade for one or bring in someone from the Phantoms that is most likely less effective and more expensive.

Why the hell wouldnt he just waive Rosehill instead?

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09-28-2013, 06:19 PM
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we really can't. he's exactly what a 4th liner is supposed to be. cheap and effective in his role

I have no idea what Homer's thinking was for this move. Laughton should not be replacing him as the 4th line center

What if Laughton sucks in his first 9 games and is sent back? Who do we have that can replace him on the 4th line? Talbot is a terrible centerman.

I know it's just a 4th line position, but this was a poor decision in my opinion because now to replace him, we'll either have to give up an asset to trade for one or bring in someone from the Phantoms that is most likely less effective and more expensive.

Why the hell wouldnt he just waive Rosehill instead?
Plus it's detrimental to Laughton's development. Especially when what he needs to work on is his offense.

To answer your question, because Homer is one of those old school morons who still believes in guys who take punches. That's why we have a guy like Shelley or Cote every season.

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09-28-2013, 06:25 PM
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Plus it's detrimental to Laughton's development. Especially when what he needs to work on is his offense.

To answer your question, because Homer is one of those old school morons who still believes in guys who take punches. That's why we have a guy like Shelley or Cote every season.
Or maybe it's because in the possible trade going on, Philly wants to lose a contract so they can free up a spot.

I am not going to like this but watch, we will lose Hall on waivers, then trade Mez for Mitchell, then sign Hal freakin Gill.

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09-28-2013, 06:30 PM
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Or maybe it's because in the possible trade going on, Philly wants to lose a contract so they can free up a spot.

I am not going to like this but watch, we will lose Hall on waivers, then trade Mez for Mitchell, then sign Hal freakin Gill.
I like Hall too, but the guy is waived a lot and there are quite few players better than him available. I will be shocked if he is claimed.

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09-28-2013, 06:31 PM
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we really can't. he's exactly what a 4th liner is supposed to be. cheap and effective in his role

I have no idea what Homer's thinking was for this move. Laughton should not be replacing him as the 4th line center

What if Laughton sucks in his first 9 games and is sent back? Who do we have that can replace him on the 4th line? Talbot is a terrible centerman.

I know it's just a 4th line position, but this was a poor decision in my opinion because now to replace him, we'll either have to give up an asset to trade for one or bring in someone from the Phantoms that is most likely less effective and more expensive.

Why the hell wouldnt he just waive Rosehill instead?
The worst thing is that if Philly waived Rosehill instead of Hall, They would be cap compliant and not HAVE to make any moves. It would give them at least a little more leverage in trade discussions with other teams. I 100% think there are more moves that are about to happen.

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09-28-2013, 06:35 PM
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That would make the difference? Rosehill only makes $75K more than Hall.

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09-28-2013, 06:50 PM
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That would make the difference? Rosehill only makes $75K more than Hall.
Hall and Gervais =1.425 million
Philly needs 1.441022 million
Rosehill and Gervais-$1.5 million

So yup, that waiving Hall instead of Rosehill means Philly must make another move to become compliant. If it was Rosehill and Gervais, they technically would not have to do a thing. They would only have 12 forwards on the roster though. But yeah, I do think another move is happening regardless.

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I like Hall too, but the guy is waived a lot and there are quite few players better than him available. I will be shocked if he is claimed.
lol. Carolina should claim him. hahaha

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09-28-2013, 07:39 PM
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I will pay 50 cents more a beer to get them under the cap to make up the difference.

That's how this works, right? RIGHT?

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09-29-2013, 01:45 AM
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Another head scratcher. Rosehill did not look like an NHL player during the preseason. Hall actually played well. I hope this is not just a poor job of doing math:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) / Scott Laughton ($1.107m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Mark Streit ($5.250m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($1.650m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,116,022; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$16,022

If this ends up being another Gauthier situation whereby Meszaros is traded Monday along with a pick for cannon fodder, I am officially in the fire Homer now boat.

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09-29-2013, 07:22 AM
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A pick would be a good return for Mezaros. I hope they won't be giving away any picks.

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09-29-2013, 08:30 AM
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I like Hall, is a good fit on our 4th line.

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09-29-2013, 08:34 AM
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Adam Hall just looks super slow every time I see him. He'll go through waivers or get picked up by a bottom feeder who needs veteran experience.

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09-29-2013, 08:42 AM
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Adam Hall just looks super slow every time I see him. He'll go through waivers or get picked up by a bottom feeder who needs veteran experience.
Slow is not the word I would use to describe Hall. He's not exactly fast but I don't see how he could be called slow.

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09-29-2013, 08:44 AM
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Waiving a player doesn't necessarily mean that they will be moved once cleared... they have some time under the CBA where they can send him down without putting him through waivers again... This gives Home more options with him cleared. What exactly are the options I have no idea, not being privy to the inside goings on of the Flyers nor the NHL GM Community.

Also, it is possible that in the likelihood that Hall clears, he could be sent down to allow Laughton to play nine NHL games at 4th line center... and Hall could then be called up under the new CBA rules without having to clear waivers on recall to take the spot if and when Laughton is sent down to Juniors.

All that said... I personally believe that something is in fact in the works to move a D-man -- hopefully Mesz due to his injury record... and not Grossmann due to his marketability -- and a Hal Gill signing on the cheap... thus some Cap relief and better insurance for a healthier D Group... and possibly the sought after role winger. Between now and Opening Night I expect the other show to fall... and if not I don't necessarily see the forever elimination of Hall.

Important to not in all this is the fact that Hal Gill has not been sent packing... as of yet... Please stay tuned.

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09-29-2013, 08:52 AM
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Adam Hall just looks super slow every time I see him. He'll go through waivers or get picked up by a bottom feeder who needs veteran experience.
He's faster than Hal Gill, who sounds like is being signed for the reasons you describe Hall.

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Holmgren happens.

We have just cleared 1.425 mil in cap space. According to Capgeek we are 1.441 over. So...yeah. Something else has to happen.
Hartnell (4.75) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (4.25)
Schenn (0.90) - Lecavalier (4.50) - Simmonds (3.98)
Talbot (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.75) - Laughton (0.93) - Rosehill (0.68)

Timonen (6.00) - Coburn (4.50)
Streit (5.25) - Schenn (3.60)
Gustafsson (1.00) - Grossmann (3.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - *Pronger (4.94)

Mason (1.50)
Emery (1.65)

Briere (0.00)
Bryzgalov (0.00)
Bartulis (0.10)
BONUS (0.18)

CAP CHARGE: 64.29
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 00.01

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Hartnell (4.75) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (4.25)
Schenn (0.90) - Lecavalier (4.50) - Simmonds (3.98)
Talbot (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.75) - Laughton (0.93) - Rosehill (0.68)

Timonen (6.00) - Coburn (4.50)
Streit (5.25) - Schenn (3.60)
Gustafsson (1.00) - Grossmann (3.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - *Pronger (4.94)

Mason (1.50)
Emery (1.65)

Briere (0.00)
Bryzgalov (0.00)
Bartulis (0.10)
BONUS (0.18)

CAP CHARGE: 64.29
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 00.01
I assume the bonus cushion gets us under? Is that even in effect before the first game starts?

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I assume the bonus cushion gets us under? Is that even in effect before the first game starts?
Not sure how that works or when it takes effect.

I would assume it would be in place for the first game.

In all honesty though, I'm not entirely sure how capgeek came up with that other number where we're over. I rounded everyone up who had extras after the hundredth; therefore the number should be over our actual cap number. We should have just slightly more space than 00.01m.

The only differences in my main number of capgeek's numbers are the prices of Schenn, Couturier, and Laughton of course.

I'm suspecting my number is actually the correct one and that capgeek is off somehow, otherwise Holmgren could have waived Rosehill instead of Hall along with Gervais for a single game to get cap compliant. I can't think of anything I'm leaving out.

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Hartnell (4.75) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (4.25)
Schenn (0.90) - Lecavalier (4.50) - Simmonds (3.98)
Talbot (1.75) - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.75) - Laughton (0.93) - Rosehill (0.68)

Timonen (6.00) - Coburn (4.50)
Streit (5.25) - Schenn (3.60)
Gustafsson (1.00) - Grossmann (3.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - *Pronger (4.94)

Mason (1.50)
Emery (1.65)

Briere (0.00)
Bryzgalov (0.00)
Bartulis (0.10)
BONUS (0.18)

CAP CHARGE: 64.29
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP SPACE: 00.01
Unless Bourdon has been cleared and waived/sent down -- I assume he must be waived -- doesn't he come into play somewhere here? LTIRed????

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Unless Bourdon has been cleared and waived/sent down -- I assume he must be waived -- doesn't he come into play somewhere here? LTIRed????
That was one of my thoughts as well.

I know that Wellwood being hurt would've impacted our roster had he not been signed temporarily to a separate deal, at the end of which he gets a real SPC again.

That said, I've seen nothing about Bourdon, and capgeek certainly doesn't imply that he's still on the roster.

Perhaps he's been LTIR'd or perhaps the Flyers found some kind of loophole.

I'm suspecting it's the LTIR because, if you remember correctly, the reason that we didn't want to LTIR Pronger in the preseason was because his large cap number on LTIR would have effected our ability to approach the trade deadline. Comparatively, Bourdon's number is pretty inconsequential.

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Hall and Gervais both cleared. Thank goodness on Hall.

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