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09-29-2013, 09:50 AM
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Medvedev talked about 64-team league a few yrs back. Of course, it was not "reality", it was a "game". The key point from his presentation (which is popular at HFB) is vision of russian-europe league. The league with cca 50-50% clubs from Europe or Russia. Of course, the league will have max of 32 clubs. That means that Russian will have less clubs than status quo.

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Don't fix what ain't broken. No one is going to replace Russian clubs with Europeans. That's just not gonna happen.

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Don't fix what ain't broken. No one is going to replace Russian clubs with Europeans. That's just not gonna happen.
What? Crumbling infrastructure in Novokuznetsk,Yekatirinbutg and Niznekamsk,you call "not broken?" Mededev knows about these problems and will replace these teams(they`ll probably be either sent down to VHL or merged with some other team or both) as soon as it will be needed

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09-29-2013, 10:28 AM
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What? Crumbling infrastructure in Novokuznetsk,Yekatirinbutg and Niznekamsk,you call "not broken?" Mededev knows about these problems and will replace these teams(they`ll probably be either sent down to VHL or merged with some other team or both) as soon as it will be needed
Russian clubs can be replaced only by Russian clubs. And placing Yekaterinburg in this list is just plain stupid. It's very important region for KHL. City is among richest and biggest ones in Russia.

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09-29-2013, 10:32 AM
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Russian clubs can be replaced only by Russian clubs. And placing Yekaterinburg in this list is just plain stupid. It's very important region for KHL. City is among richest and biggest ones in Russia.
1. Why is that?

2.Biggest? Maybe. Richest? yeah whatever you say. But i dont have to prove anything to you,you will see for yourself.

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09-29-2013, 10:51 AM
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Don't fix what ain't broken. No one is going to replace Russian clubs with Europeans. That's just not gonna happen.
We will see. I am not talking about next season. You need big money, big support, modern/good arenas, international airports. We can discuss here international airports in russian cities (where KHL is now and can be in future - Sochi, Tyumen etc) or international airports under construction/plans. I would welcome such discussion.

Try to google GM Vajsfeld and his comments on G Kovar. Vajsfeld wanted to sign him last season to play for Novokuznetsk. Kovar refused because of NO international airports (no flight to Prague) in the city.

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What? Crumbling infrastructure in Novokuznetsk,Yekatirinbutg and Niznekamsk,you call "not broken?" Mededev knows about these problems and will replace these teams(they`ll probably be either sent down to VHL or merged with some other team or both) as soon as it will be needed
Yekaterinburg will stay in KHL. Look at FIFA World Club cities = developing the cities/infrastructure etc. Yekaterinburg is here. I agree with alce (#53).

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09-29-2013, 10:57 AM
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1. Why is that?

2.Biggest? Maybe. Richest? yeah whatever you say. But i dont have to prove anything to you,you will see for yourself.
1. Because KHL and Medvedev cannot do that. KHL is very dependent from the state and have to think of consequences. It's one thing to take in league some crappy European clubs and it's completely other to kick out some Russian clubs to do that. Most money in the league is from state owned companies and Medvedev cannot allow himself alienate public too much.

2. Maybe? Yes, you are definitely have not to prove anything. You are clearly not understanding how things works in Russia.


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1. Why is that?

2.Biggest? Maybe. Richest? yeah whatever you say. But i dont have to prove anything to you,you will see for yourself.
What is there to argue about? Yekaterinburg is among the leaders in manufacturing output growth in Russia. It's a big, modern, developing city with a rich history. Not just some oil pump with a couple of oligarchs. Not to mention that in the last five years its population has grown by 80 thousand people up to 1,43 mln. You can't compare it to Nizhnekamsk. Yekaterinburg makes even Riga look like rural village.

Small collage of Yekaterinburg's projects:

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Lets imagine KHL has 15-6 russian clubs in future. Which one?

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Lets imagine KHL has 15-6 russian clubs in future. Which one?
The question is which clubs should/could be later move out of the league. I think it was you who wrote something about 5-7 teams that can be removed so you can start.

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09-29-2013, 11:42 AM
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Petersburg,Dynamo,CSKA,Jaroslavl,Kazan,Magnitka,Uf a,Torpedo,Traktor,Admiral,Amur,Omsk,Spartak?Sochi ok Avto,
but you still dont have those new ones to replace


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Lets imagine KHL has 15-6 russian clubs in future. Which one?
CSKA
SKA
Spartak
Dynamo
Lokomotiv
Ufa
Magnitogorsk
Sibir
Traktor
Kazan
Avto
Admiral
Amur
Sochi
Tyumen
Torpedo
Omsk

17

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Petersburg,Dynamo,CSKA,Jaroslavl,Kazan,Magnitka,Uf a,Torpedo,Traktor,Admiral,Amur,Omsk,Spartak?Sochi ok Avto,
but you still dont have those new ones to replace
+Sibir

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09-29-2013, 12:17 PM
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CSKA
SKA
Spartak
Dynamo
Lokomotiv
Ufa
Magnitogorsk
Sibir
Traktor
Kazan
Avto
Admiral
Amur
Sochi
Tyumen
Torpedo
Omsk

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+ Barys=east

West:

Minsk
Zagreb
Riga
Donbass
Lev
Slovan
Jokerit
Norway?
Berlin
Köln
Stockholm
Malmö
Geneve
Prague2
Bern
Kiev
Turku
Tampere/Gothenburg/Wien/London/Zurich/Milan/Paris/etc

This is how it should be..

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09-29-2013, 12:24 PM
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+ Barys=east

West:

Minsk
Zagreb
Riga
Donbass
Lev
Slovan
Jokerit
Norway?
Berlin
Köln
Stockholm
Malmö
Geneve
Prague2
Bern
Kiev
Turku
Tampere/Gothenburg/Wien/London/Zurich/Milan/Paris/etc

This is how it should be..
Sweden doesnt have enough players for this.

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09-29-2013, 12:27 PM
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CSKA
SKA
Spartak
Dynamo
Lokomotiv
Ufa
Magnitogorsk
Sibir
Traktor
Kazan
Avto
Admiral
Amur
Sochi
Tyumen
Torpedo
Omsk
Exactly what I thought. May be + Atlant, but then there will be too much Moscow teams.

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+ Barys=east

West:

Minsk
Zagreb
Riga
Donbass
Lev
Slovan
Jokerit
Norway?
Berlin
Köln
Stockholm
Malmö
Geneve
Prague2
Bern
Kiev
Turku
Tampere/Gothenburg/Wien/London/Zurich/Milan/Paris/etc

This is how it should be..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGHB1iBY1s

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09-29-2013, 12:37 PM
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i will

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The question is which clubs should/could be later move out of the league. I think it was you who wrote something about 5-7 teams that can be removed so you can start.
out
Vityaz, Severstal, Neftekhimik, Yugra, Novokuznetsk

question
Atlant, Spartak

new

Sochi, Tyumen, Lada?

EDIT:
I am not against russian clubs or pro-euro clubs in KHL. I just want to understand KHL´s plans. League has strategy of development which is not easy to understand.


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09-29-2013, 01:04 PM
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EAST:

Tschernyschow Diwision

Admiral
Amur
Tokio/Seoul/Beijing
Sibir
Traktor
Omsk
Barys
Ufa

Charlamow Diwision

Spartak/Atlant
Dynamo
Lokomotiv
Sochi
Kazan
Magnitogorsk
Avto
Torpedo

West:

Tarassow Diwision

CSKA
SKA
Riga
Minsk
Jokerit
Donbass/Kiev
Oslo/Stavanger
Stockholm/Malmö

Bobrow Diwision

Lev
Slovan
Zagreb
Berlin/Köln/München
Wien/Salzburg/München
Geneve/Bern
Milano/London/Paris
Gdansk/Budapest/Kopenhagen

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What about Novy and Salming divisions in west?

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I stopped dreaming about future structure of KHL. I just want some teams and more games with neighbors.

I have to smile to chinese dreaming. Maybe some affilites in Korea and Japan

If SWE didnt want participate, it means more spots for others.

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Belarus - 1
Croatia - 1
Kazakhstan - 1
Latvia - 1
Slovakia - 1
Ukraine - 1

Austria - 1
Norway - 1
Poland - 1

Czech Republic - 1-2
Finland - 1-2

Germany - 1-2
Sweden - 1-2
ITA/SPA/UK/FRA/NET - 1-2
Switzerland - 1-2

That makes it from 15 to 21 non-russian teams. I think that the ratio of 16:16 would be utterly ideal later. But for sure - this need a lot of time. And it can take 10-20 years until the league will completely consolidate. But within this period, current clubs can (re)build their arenas what is generally very significant.

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Sweden doesnt have enough players for this.
Sweden could easily have 3-4 top teams in KHL if they wanted, SHL is a excellent league and actually you dont have to produce many players from a city where the club plays, does Anaheim have many own juniors in their current roster?

London or Birmingham would be ideal city for a KHL team because they´ve been used to cheer for a football teams without any English players for a longtime now they just need to have a some billionaire who want to have a team there.

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What about Novy and Salming divisions in west?
This is a question I asked myself as well: If KHL really wants to get (more) european, there has to be at least a Salming-Division (since he's the only non-russian and non-canadian in the IIHF-centennial-all-star team). But a Salming-Division without swedish teams???

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Sweden could easily have 3-4 top teams in KHL if they wanted, SHL is a excellent league and actually you dont have to produce many players from a city where the club plays, does Anaheim have many own juniors in their current roster?.....
I got like a sweden cant feed all these teams by players. Fortunatelly we have canadians

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