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09-25-2013, 10:50 AM
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For the future of this team were better off with Coyle at wing. With Koivu a lock at center of the top line and Coyle playing center it only dooms Granlund. I don't like it at all.

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Granlund can't play wing?

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I would say 70 something points maybe his peak season in the NHL. Seems more like a 50-65 per season point guy.

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09-25-2013, 11:21 AM
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Granlund can't play wing?
With his skills his potential is much higher as a center IMO. His ability to distribute the puck coming up the ice would be a waste on the wing.

I think the Wild is handicapping itself putting Coyle at 2C this season. Having both these guys in the lineup would help. With their reluctancy to use Granny at wing thus far I can't help but think he is getting sent down or atleast not in opening day plans right now.

IMO that would be a huge mistake. He has looked great all preseason.

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I like Coyle better at wing and Granny better at C too. But if they're only planning on keeping one or the other around...not that this factors into decisions but it would be a lot more awkward to throw Coyle down to Iowa than it would Granlund (as awkward as that may be itself).

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Coyle at Center plays to his strength of being a two way player. He's defensively responsible, and he's not afraid to go to the net.

Granlund at wing will take some of the d responsibility away, so he can focus on the offensive end and create. It was obvious that FBJ was more comfortable at wing than at center last year.

The only downside is that a little of Coyle's forechecking ability will be neutralized because he'll often be the F3 in the o zone.

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09-25-2013, 01:30 PM
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Granlund can't play wing?
Of course he can, but sure seems like they don't want him to.

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09-25-2013, 01:38 PM
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Russo seems to think Coyle is a lock for #2 center.

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09-25-2013, 01:52 PM
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Russo seems to think Coyle is a lock for #2 center.
So I may end up being right after the first preseason game......

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Like I said before, when I watched him in practice, Coyle was incredibly skilled with the puck. His biggest issue last year was the speed of the NHL (in terms of plays happening, not skating). That's pretty common for rookies. If he can adjust, I think he can be a #1B center and be a 30g/70pt guy.
Optimistic IMO. I see more of a 2C, 25g/60pt guy.

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Russo seems to think Coyle is a lock for #2 center.
Scary proposition unless he's made significant strides in his skating and mindset. Last year he strayed away from the middle and didn't display the quickness needed to play a 200 foot game in open ice.

I think he's there out of pure necessity. He's the best of the worst opinions.

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09-25-2013, 02:29 PM
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his skating is much improved fwiw. we'll see how he does positionally i guess. edit: worth remembering how Yeo plans on using the lines, too. Chuckie shouldn't have as tough of matchups as he face last year. also a reason why i like Granlund better there...

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Like I said before, when I watched him in practice, Coyle was incredibly skilled with the puck. His biggest issue last year was the speed of the NHL (in terms of plays happening, not skating). That's pretty common for rookies. If he can adjust, I think he can be a #1B center and be a 30g/70pt guy.
Couldn't agree more with this post. While I don't think he'll put up those numbers this season, I am pretty confident he is more than capable of putting up those types of numbers in the next few.

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09-25-2013, 02:37 PM
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Yeah for me that's his career ceiling, not this year.

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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ild-breakaway/

Just watch this over, and over, and over...

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09-27-2013, 06:04 PM
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Koivu - 6'2", 200 lbs.
Coyle - 6'2" 203 lbs.

I like big centers and i cannot lie. I see a lot of similarities between these 2 guys - 2 way game, size, some offensive chops.

I am encouraged because i think Coyle skates better than Mikko, and has more offensive potential.

Coyle put up 8-6-14 in 37 games as a 20-21 year old.
Mikko's rookie numbers as a 22-23 year old were 6-15-21 in 64 games.

Coyle did have better linemates tho

One other similarity: Mikko's birthday is March 12. Coyle's is March 2.

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09-27-2013, 06:27 PM
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Koivu - 6'2", 200 lbs.
Coyle - 6'2" 203 lbs.

I like big centers and i cannot lie. I see a lot of similarities between these 2 guys - 2 way game, size, some offensive chops.

I am encouraged because i think Coyle skates better than Mikko, and has more offensive potential.

Coyle put up 8-6-14 in 37 games as a 20-21 year old.
Mikko's rookie numbers as a 22-23 year old were 6-15-21 in 64 games.

Coyle did have better linemates tho

One other similarity: Mikko's birthday is March 12. Coyle's is March 2.

I think you are selling Koivu's offensive talent short. It's very hard to rack up points in this league while playing very good two-way game with the linemates he's had. I also think Coyle doesn't have no where near the playmaking abilities and hockey IQ that Koivu has. I'm more than happy to be wrong of course.

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With his skills his potential is much higher as a center IMO. His ability to distribute the puck coming up the ice would be a waste on the wing.

I think the Wild is handicapping itself putting Coyle at 2C this season. Having both these guys in the lineup would help. With their reluctancy to use Granny at wing thus far I can't help but think he is getting sent down or atleast not in opening day plans right now.

IMO that would be a huge mistake. He has looked great all preseason.
Like Patrick Kane or Martin St. Louis right?

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Coyle has looked bigger and faster this preseason. I still not sold on him at #2 center, but if we win and it works to start the year, hard to argue with it so we'll see.

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With his skills his potential is much higher as a center IMO. His ability to distribute the puck coming up the ice would be a waste on the wing.

I think the Wild is handicapping itself putting Coyle at 2C this season. Having both these guys in the lineup would help. With their reluctancy to use Granny at wing thus far I can't help but think he is getting sent down or atleast not in opening day plans right now.

IMO that would be a huge mistake. He has looked great all preseason.
Last time I checked, Koivu, Coyle, and Granlund are only three guys. If Granlund ends up being a great center, it's Brodziak that is going to be affected.

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Koivu - 6'2", 200 lbs.
Coyle - 6'2" 203 lbs.

I like big centers and i cannot lie. I see a lot of similarities between these 2 guys - 2 way game, size, some offensive chops.

I am encouraged because i think Coyle skates better than Mikko, and has more offensive potential.

Coyle put up 8-6-14 in 37 games as a 20-21 year old.
Mikko's rookie numbers as a 22-23 year old were 6-15-21 in 64 games.

Coyle did have better linemates tho

One other similarity: Mikko's birthday is March 12. Coyle's is March 2.
If you like big centers, you'll be happy to know Coyle isn't what you listed him as, he's over 220 now! And he skates even better than before. Kid is going to be great.

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09-29-2013, 02:26 AM
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Koivu - 6'2", 200 lbs.
Coyle - 6'2" 203 lbs.
Koivu is much heavier than 200 lbs. The Wild have him listed at 217 and I think that should be about right.

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I think he was listing rookie weight and rookie numbers.

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What should I expect out of Coyle this year points-wise? Also, is he on his way to become a hitting monster like Clutterbuck was here ?

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