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09-29-2013, 02:58 PM
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Anaheim led the league in fighting when they won the cup and Boston was second in the league in fights when they won it two years ago.
Who said anything about fights being bad? Lucic fights, BUT HE CAN PLAY HOCKEY TOO.

Even guys like Carcillo can contribute more than just fists. But morons like Sestito, Shelley, and Rosehill have no redeeming quality at all.

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09-29-2013, 03:04 PM
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Every team would like a Lucic but they are rare. Who will fight him on the Flyers if he wants to go if we don't have Rosehill? Maybe Voracek can drop the gloves again.

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09-29-2013, 03:10 PM
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Every team would like a Lucic but they are rare. Who will fight him on the Flyers if he wants to go if we don't have Rosehill? Maybe Voracek can drop the gloves again.
Why does fighting have to be the answer? Just skate away and continue getting worked over in the corners. Turn the other cheek I think they say.

I don't like it but goons are still necessary. That doesn't mean they have to be in the lineup every day though.

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09-29-2013, 03:10 PM
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Every team would like a Lucic but they are rare. Who will fight him on the Flyers if he wants to go if we don't have Rosehill? Maybe Voracek can drop the gloves again.
You still aren't saying what the point is in having a guy purely for fighting a la a Rosehill or Shelley or Cote (remember him?). There's no point to it.

Why should we have a guy that's just for fighting taking up a roster spot rather then a guy who can fight and play hockey at the same time? Like Lucic, Simmonds, Downie, or even lower-end quality 4th liners like Carcillo and Tootoo?

If you can think of a real legitimate reason to have flat-out goons like Rosehill on this team over a guy that can actually contribute in more then just fists then I'll admit I'm wrong.

EDIT: Also, as others have said, we already have guys like Hartnell and Simmonds that can fight and do other things well and you don't ever need to answer a goons call to fight. In fact, guys like MacIntyre and Scott can't keep an NHL job because they dominate everyone in fights and nobody wants to or does fight them.

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Every team would like a Lucic but they are rare. Who will fight him on the Flyers if he wants to go if we don't have Rosehill? Maybe Voracek can drop the gloves again.
Simmonds and Hartnell.

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09-29-2013, 03:24 PM
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I don't like it but goons are still necessary. That doesn't mean they have to be in the lineup every day though.
That's pretty much where I'm at, until they're completely fazed out I still see a point of having one as a 13th forward.

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I wouldn't really lump Sestito in with Shelley & Rosehill when talking about actual skill, he at least could get down the ice pretty quick & establish a forecheck.

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09-29-2013, 03:32 PM
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Simmonds and Hartnell.
I'd rather not gave them get hurt taking on a much bigger guy.

And Carcillo was not a quality fourth liner here. He was an idiot. Rinaldo can be a good fourth liner here who can fight and will play a lot more than Rosehill. But he can't fight heavyweights.

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09-29-2013, 03:53 PM
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Every team would like a Lucic but they are rare. Who will fight him on the Flyers if he wants to go if we don't have Rosehill? Maybe Voracek can drop the gloves again.
On the flip side, why would Lucic want to fight Rosehill?

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Looking forward to the start of the season and i am not nearly as negative about this team as many folks seem to be. I rode my Harley up to South Jersey last week from Florida and got to attend the Flyers/ Devils game Tuesday in Philly and even though the Flyers lost and had a SLOW first period they had their fair share of scoring chances and just could not finish until Kimmo netted one late. Both Jersey goals were lessons in patience with the puck, nothing more.
I thought Harts and Matt Read were our 2 best players ( Harts skating looked improved to me ? ) . Gus was pretty bad, not sure why Bourdon is not playing instead, Gus looked pretty unsure of himself to put it mildly.

Did not get to see the whole team of course which gives me optimism that with our whole team especially our little ball of hate out there hitting and solid goal tending that can move the the puck as well we will fare much better than last year.I am always upbeat about our club at the start of each season and don't start to panic till around Christmas, hopefully Santa will be good to us !
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09-29-2013, 05:55 PM
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Simmonds and Hartnell.
simmonds can go with lucic but hartnell...
maybe mcginn

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09-29-2013, 05:59 PM
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I will forgive the preseason...not forget it. Nor will I forget last season since so far I've seen the same garbage (slow starts, horrendous team D and a 2 goal per avg offense despite Lavi's attack system).

Until Lavi is canned expect the same inconsistency and erratic play from this team.

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simmonds can go with lucic but hartnell...
maybe mcginn
LOL no...

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That's pretty much where I'm at, until they're completely fazed out I still see a point of having one as a 13th forward.

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I wouldn't really lump Sestito in with Shelley & Rosehill when talking about actual skill, he at least could get down the ice pretty quick & establish a forecheck.
i was fan of fedoruk,cote,shelley,rosehill but sestito ...
6.5-230lb fight only 5.11-200lb lol rinaldo is a better fighter

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09-29-2013, 06:06 PM
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LOL no...
i agree but mcginn is tough for his size

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i was fan of fedoruk,cote,shelley,rosehill but sestito ...
6.5-230lb fight only 5.11-200lb lol rinaldo is a better fighter
I'm talking about pure hockey skill, Sestito is far more talented than all of them.

From a fighting standpoint he is average at best. He does better when matched up against guys you think would man handle him but then disappoints against guys you expect him to win.

He does have the same problem as Hartnell where his lack of balance does him no favors.

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09-29-2013, 06:22 PM
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The ability to fight is pretty pointless. Fighting doesn't put the puck in the net or keep it from going in yours.

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I'm not really optimistic but I'm excited. I'm always excited at the start of hockey season.

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09-29-2013, 06:27 PM
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I'm talking about pure hockey skill, Sestito is far more talented than all of them.

From a fighting standpoint he is average at best. He does better when matched up against guys you think would man handle him but then disappoints against guys you expect him to win.

He does have the same problem as Hartnell where his lack of balance does him no favors.
yeah i agree is for this reason why is not with the team and they trade for rosehill

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The ability to fight is pretty pointless. Fighting doesn't put the puck in the net or keep it from going in yours.
Not directly but fighting when the time is right and defending teammates go a long way in helping a team succeed.

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Not directly but fighting when the time is right and defending teammates go a long way in helping a team succeed.
win or loss a fight can change the game

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Not directly but fighting when the time is right and defending teammates go a long way in helping a team succeed.
You don't need a dedicated thug for that.

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Not directly but fighting when the time is right and defending teammates go a long way in helping a team succeed.
It can get momentum going regardless of what the outcome is at times.

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You don't need a dedicated thug for that.
I don't disagree with that at all. But to says imply fighting doesn't help the team is a little misguided.

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And those other teams are stupid for doing it too.
Got to remember that PRO hockey is a business, and the rough stuff fills the seats believe it or not. Anyone who says they do not enjoy the drama that plays out after a " skilled" player is thumped or given a cheap shot by the opposing team is lying or a complete peace and love 60S hippie . Personally i would like to see Hockey morph more back towards the mid 70s where the players enforced the " cheap shots" and head hunting instead of Shannahan and his folks..........Trust me when i tell you it was absolutely EXCITING hockey !


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