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09-30-2013, 10:10 AM
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since when is there a limit on call-ups? isn't that only in effect after the trade deadline?
Oh **** yeah, I totally forgot its after the deadline. My mistake.

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09-30-2013, 10:16 AM
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What is the rule with guys clearing waivers but still playing in the NHL. Isn't there something to this? Like if you clear you can play in the NHL for a week or something before being sent down or put back on re-entry waivers?

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09-30-2013, 10:28 AM
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What is the rule with guys clearing waivers but still playing in the NHL. Isn't there something to this? Like if you clear you can play in the NHL for a week or something before being sent down or put back on re-entry waivers?
I am fairly certain once clearing waivers, a player does not have to go through waivers again until they play 10 games or 30 days has passed, whatever comes first.

And there are no longer re-entry waivers after this last CBA

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09-30-2013, 10:37 AM
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Does this make the Flyers under the cap until Pronger goes on LTIR?

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09-30-2013, 10:51 AM
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Does this make the Flyers under the cap until Pronger goes on LTIR?
Not yet I don't believe.

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So Gill will legitimately be our #7 possibly #6 Dman?

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09-30-2013, 12:38 PM
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Gervais' stuff is gone.

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09-30-2013, 12:38 PM
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Which brings the question, why don't they allow that rule to send Bourdon down, then they'll be even closer to the cap limit. They are 1.2M now, Bourdon is 600K, with him gone, they'd be only over by .6

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09-30-2013, 12:40 PM
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Which brings the question, why don't they allow that rule to send Bourdon down, then they'll be even closer to the cap limit. They are 1.2M now, Bourdon is 600K, with him gone, they'd be only over by .6
Bourdon like Pronger will likely be put on LTIR. Can't even understand why he's on the Flyers roster and not in the AHL, his salary shouldn't count against the Flyers cap at all.

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09-30-2013, 01:00 PM
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Bourdon like Pronger will likely be put on LTIR. Can't even understand why he's on the Flyers roster and not in the AHL, his salary shouldn't count against the Flyers cap at all.
Precisely. If he's on the AHL, he can recover and get paid and not count on the cap. Why bother with the LTIR mess.

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09-30-2013, 01:05 PM
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Per the CBA I believe players may not be demoted while injured... they must stay on the roster, therefore have to be put on LTIR to take advantage of the replacement Cap Space... It's a *****, but I can see where the NHLPA would want to protect their players from wrongfully being demoted through injury and possibly losing cash (when on a two-way contract).

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Aaah, that's what I figured, Bourdon got hurt while on Flyers roster.

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09-30-2013, 01:11 PM
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Aaah, that's what I figured, Bourdon got hurt while on Flyers roster.
Correctomundo!

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09-30-2013, 01:12 PM
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Per the CBA I believe players may not be demoted while injured... they must stay on the roster, therefore have to be put on LTIR to take advantage of the replacement Cap Space... It's a *****, but I can see where the NHLPA would want to protect their players from wrongfully being demoted through injury and possibly losing cash (when on a two-way contract).
However...somebody tweeted a rule in the CBA that allows prior to the year to demote an injured player. I'll look for it.

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09-30-2013, 01:21 PM
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However...somebody tweeted a rule in the CBA that allows prior to the year to demote an injured player. I'll look for it.
If a player is on an NHL Roster and is injured... and never cleared to play... I find it difficult to believe the NHLPA would allow that to happen under any circumstance. Personally I can't see a organization not going along with that, even if the cash is the same. Demoting an injured player who was injured playing for you is pretty low -- what do you think this is, for goodness sakes... the NFL? -- That said, I could see an agreement where they stay on the NHL roster yet do not adversely effect the Cap... BUT, that being the case would greatly aid the Organizations with cases like Pronger who cannot even retire due to the 35+ travesty of a Rule. <sigh>

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If a player is on an NHL Roster and is injured... and never cleared to play... I find it difficult to believe the NHLPA would allow that to happen under any circumstance. Personally I can't see a organization not going along with that, even if the cash is the same. Demoting an injured player who was injured playing for you is pretty low -- what do you think this is, for goodness sakes... the NFL? -- That said, I could see an agreement where they stay on the NHL roster yet do not adversely effect the Cap... BUT, that being the case would greatly aid the Organizations with cases like Pronger who cannot even retire due to the 35+ travesty of a Rule. <sigh>
All of that makes sense, I'm just going by what I read.

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09-30-2013, 01:36 PM
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If a player is on an NHL Roster and is injured... and never cleared to play... I find it difficult to believe the NHLPA would allow that to happen under any circumstance. Personally I can't see a organization not going along with that, even if the cash is the same. Demoting an injured player who was injured playing for you is pretty low -- what do you think this is, for goodness sakes... the NFL? -- That said, I could see an agreement where they stay on the NHL roster yet do not adversely effect the Cap... BUT, that being the case would greatly aid the Organizations with cases like Pronger who cannot even retire due to the 35+ travesty of a Rule. <sigh>
I understand the rule as well but I do believe the team should still pay the injured players salary but once they are LTIR ie Pronger that salary should stay off the cap permanently. I don't understand the leagues rule for making a non-playing injured player count against the teams cap, this makes no sense and is redundant.

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09-30-2013, 01:40 PM
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Aaah, that's what I figured, Bourdon got hurt while on Flyers roster.
technically yes, since he probably didnt recover from his initial injury....

but he still played in ADK during the lock-out and was re-injured while there

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09-30-2013, 01:46 PM
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Can't wait to see this place when Hal Gill signs. Should be fun.

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Sounds like Gill is going to be signed. Holmgren told him to be patient. *sigh*

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09-30-2013, 01:53 PM
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I mean, to have Gill/Schenn/Grossman is unbelievably redundant, and Mesz isn't back to normal.

I had such hopes for this D and already I'm shaking my head.

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That's what the Flyers need, another 200lb+ D man that can't skate.

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[QUOTE=Hiesenberg;71753441]Sounds like Gill is going to be signed. Holmgren told him to be patient. *sigh*[/QUOTE]

Oh, so he is getting Gagne treatment?

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