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09-30-2013, 12:05 PM
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He brought in Sharp, Versteeg, Ladd, and Hossa. There's a little more to what he did then you're giving him credit for.
Hossa? No.

He wanted to keep Havlat instead of signing Hossa....then was canned.

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09-30-2013, 01:33 PM
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The hate for Tallon by some Hawk fans is so laughable. No one can give any credit where it's due. He brought in good players and helped with the team that's currently there. In whatever capacity, the hate is just stupid.

Jacques Martin wasnt an outstanding GM here, but I give him credit where it's due. He helped more than most give him credit for and we still don't have a Cup or anything close. What's so friggin hard about giving credit and just movin on?

Further, seems like Beach's attitude plays the largest role in his not making it. Is that Tallon's fault? Even if there were concerns before the draft, plenty of players have worked through that. Is Belichek to blame for Hernandez not being able to see that he had all he ever dreams of and deciding to be a killer anyway?

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Many people had Turris at #1 over Kane and Jordan Staal ahead of Toews in their draft years. It's not always an easy decision. Prior to the lockout tiny skilled players like Kane, think MSL, were more likely to go undrafted than #1 overall.

I give Tallon 90% of the credit for building the 2010 team and about 50% of the credit for the players that remain on the roster today. He re-introduced a culture of winning and made it a team guys wanted to play for.
Kane was the consensus number 1 pick in the draft that year and I don't remember Staal really ever being ahead of Toews in their draft year. Also players like Kane never went undrafted.

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09-30-2013, 02:38 PM
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Tallon drafting (05-09) was absolute disgrace for most part

Bowman drafting has been massive improvement
For all the praise Tallon gets. Drafting is not his forte, at least not with the Hawks.

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09-30-2013, 02:40 PM
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2005, 2006, and 2007 were all awful with the exception of the two players (Toews and Kane) who fell right into their laps.

2005 produced Niklas Hjalmarsson, with only three others (Jack Skille, Mike Blunden, and Evan Brophey) ever playing an NHL game.

2006 produced only Toews; no one else has played an NHL game.

2007 had five picks in the top 86 and seven picks overall, but outside of Kane, only Billy Sweatt and Akim Aliu ever played an NHL game.
The hype around Skille was crazy. Was Beach hyped as much?

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09-30-2013, 03:17 PM
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Many people had Turris at #1 over Kane and Jordan Staal ahead of Toews in their draft years. It's not always an easy decision. Prior to the lockout tiny skilled players like Kane, think MSL, were more likely to go undrafted than #1 overall.
Pretty sure that Chicago drafting Toews instead of Staal was a really really really easy decision since Staal had already been drafted with the pick before Chicago's

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The hype around Skille was crazy. Was Beach hyped as much?
Honestly Skille was a more dubious pick for me than Beach was in terms of what I was thinking when each was drafted. Didn't like either guy but I was floored with where they selected Skille, didn't like the Beach pick because I didn't like the player but the skill set was believed to be there, just thought they overrated him a touch, Skille was a guy I wouldn't have taken in the first round.

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Pretty sure that Chicago drafting Toews instead of Staal was a really really really easy decision since Staal had already been drafted with the pick before Chicago's
Truth, although there was a pretty big belief in Backstrom at four and Kessel at five as well, not an easy choice.

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09-30-2013, 05:35 PM
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The hate for Tallon by some Hawk fans is so laughable. No one can give any credit where it's due. He brought in good players and helped with the team that's currently there. In whatever capacity, the hate is just stupid.

Jacques Martin wasnt an outstanding GM here, but I give him credit where it's due. He helped more than most give him credit for and we still don't have a Cup or anything close. What's so friggin hard about giving credit and just movin on?

Further, seems like Beach's attitude plays the largest role in his not making it. Is that Tallon's fault? Even if there were concerns before the draft, plenty of players have worked through that. Is Belichek to blame for Hernandez not being able to see that he had all he ever dreams of and deciding to be a killer anyway?
Tallon left Hawks in cap hell and with no farm system after wasting 5 years of drafts

Did Tallon do some good? Sure he made a few good trades that added quality players and he didn't screw up Kane/Toews picks. Thus he did play a part in cup win

But for the most part Dale Tallon as a GM was a failure (FA and Draft sticking out most)

As for Beach ,,, There were a lot of red flags at time of draft with regards to him

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09-30-2013, 05:46 PM
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Kyle Beach was assigned to the bird flu?

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Kyle Beach was assigned to the bird flu?
That is h1n1 but I am sure some Hawk fans will blame that on Tallon as well

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The hype around Skille was crazy. Was Beach hyped as much?
Memory is a spotty thing, but I don't recall there being that much hype for Skille pre-draft. I don't think he was ranked top ten in very many publications. In fact I'm not sure that he was top ten among just NA skaters. I remember being ecstatic when Montreal took Price because I thought Kopitar was dropping to the Hawks (BPA and arguably biggest need at the time). To say I was floored when they picked Skille would be an understatement. Friends who I was watching the draft with at the time had the same reaction. Not sure about this board's reaction.

Beach was a little different. It seemed their was a lot of hype coming from Canada anyway. As Canuck fans have alluded to, there was a lot of media pressure/talk/whatever you want to call it for them to draft Beach at 12. There were safer picks at that point in the draft (and I do remember a few fellow Hawk fans advocating for Myers at the time), but he was drafted as that big lw power forward type to ideally play on a line with Toews and Kane. There were attitude concerns even then though, and there was a decently high bust potential from the get-go

But in hindsight, after seeing the success Buff and then Bickell had with Toews and Kane, it's easy to understand the rationale behind the pick. Moreso than the Skille one anyway.

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2005, 2006, and 2007 were all awful with the exception of the two players (Toews and Kane) who fell right into their laps.

2005 produced Niklas Hjalmarsson, with only three others (Jack Skille, Mike Blunden, and Evan Brophey) ever playing an NHL game.

2006 produced only Toews; no one else has played an NHL game.

2007 had five picks in the top 86 and seven picks overall, but outside of Kane, only Billy Sweatt and Akim Aliu ever played an NHL game.
Michael Blunden was awesome and you know it!

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Can someone fill me in on why people hate this guy so much?

It seems like he must've done something horrible to get these kind of responses.
It's because of what prospects represent to fans: hope. When that hope is dashed, fans tend to lash out.

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It's because of what prospects represent to fans: hope. When that hope is dashed, fans tend to lash out.
Doesn't help that Beach came off as a overgrown child most of his time with organization and his most memorable moment involved him attacking a smaller player in camp and injuring him (Mathis Olimb was the victim of Beach)

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Anyone who thought he was valuable the past few years was plain delusional. He was never impressive in professional hockey.

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Tallon left Hawks in cap hell and with no farm system after wasting 5 years of drafts

Did Tallon do some good? Sure he made a few good trades that added quality players and he didn't screw up Kane/Toews picks. Thus he did play a part in cup win

But for the most part Dale Tallon as a GM was a failure (FA and Draft sticking out most)

As for Beach ,,, There were a lot of red flags at time of draft with regards to him
Lmao, oh please. That wasnt all him on the cap hit, and he's sure done a great job so far here. But, just keep pouring the hate every chance you can.

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Lmao, oh please. That wasnt all him on the cap hit, and he's sure done a great job so far here. But, just keep pouring the hate every chance you can.
Tallon did more good than bad in rebuilding the hawks. Sharp for Ellison and Versteeg for Bochenski were huge steals. Ladd for Ruutu was a good move for the hawks too. But he was definitely bad with the cap and put the hawks in an awful cap situation.

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Michael Blunden was awesome and you know it!
Blunden is still awesome...he's so awesome that we Habs fans call the NHL/AHL cutoff line in the organization The Blunden Line.

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The Blackhawks got better every year under Tallon.

Edit: Back on topic, Beach is big, has a good shot, and picks on smaller players while running from guys in his weight range. He's a poorer skating Ben Eager.

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Our drafting is so bad, we have one of the best prospect pools in hockey. And even high draft picks are no gimme. There are still a lot of choices (and often more at the front of the draft than later) that have to be made correctly at the draft table, no matter how high your pick is. Besides, part of being a good GM is pulling the trigger on trades, and signing FA's. In closing, considering how poor our drafting is considered to be, we seem to be doing pretty well. Especially considering the gutting our roster took after the 1st Cup run.

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Our drafting is so bad, we have one of the best prospect pools in hockey. And even high draft picks are no gimme. There are still a lot of choices (and often more at the front of the draft than later) that have to be made correctly at the draft table, no matter how high your pick is. Besides, part of being a good GM is pulling the trigger on trades, and signing FA's. In closing, considering how poor our drafting is considered to be, we seem to be doing pretty well. Especially considering the gutting our roster took after the 1st Cup run.
Our prospect pool currently has very little to do with Tallon

Pirri is only prospect left from him with any NHL future

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Was Chet Pickard assigned to Sweden on time as well? That's the only other case I can think of where a North American gets assigned to Europe by his NHL club.
They don't get "assigned", Swedish clubs offer them contracts.

Olimb slammed him and the media as soon as he signed. Will be funny when they play against each other.

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Beach is pretty good at food fights. Meatballs should be easy too throw.

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