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09-30-2013, 07:18 PM
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Despite Fleury being laughable now back then he was a pretty good goalie. He played out of his mind the year they lost the cup & then played good enough the next year to win it for them.
i disagree fleury made some amazing saves in 2008 and 2009 playoff but overall
crosby and malkin score manny point in games 5-6goals

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09-30-2013, 07:22 PM
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I see no way Mason is better than Fleury, and Fleury was a solid goalie in their Cup run.

You need a VERY good two way center. Trading Couturier gives that up. We take a step forward, then take a step back...and still wouldn't have the goaltending.
chicago win the cup last years with toew #1 center lol
who was their #2? sharp, bolland

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09-30-2013, 07:27 PM
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chicago win the cup last years with toew #1 center lol
who was their #2? sharp, bolland
I don't follow--Toews isn't a very good two-way center? He's one of the best in the league in that role...

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09-30-2013, 07:31 PM
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i disagree fleury made some amazing saves in 2008 and 2009 playoff but overall
crosby and malkin score manny point in games 5-6goals
Crosby had 2 goals & Malkin had 1 in the 2008 Finals. Fleury posted a .923SV% in the finals. The Red Wings out shot the Pens 222-142 in a 6 game series.

If the Pens would have won that series Fleury clearly would have been the Conn Symthe winner.

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09-30-2013, 07:33 PM
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chicago win the cup last years with toew #1 center lol
who was their #2? sharp, bolland
Toews is exactly the sort of very good two way center I'm talking about. Bergeron, Toews, Staal, Datsyuk, Brind'Amour. Every Cup winning team has that kind of guy, or more than one of him. Couturier projects to be that guy for us. Dealing him doesn't move the team forward, since we would then have to replace his skill set.

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09-30-2013, 07:39 PM
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Toews is exactly the sort of very good two way center I'm talking about. Bergeron, Toews, Staal, Datsyuk, Brind'Amour. Every Cup winning team has that kind of guy, or more than one of him. Couturier projects to be that guy for us. Dealing him doesn't move the team forward, since we would then have to replace his skill set.
i think is better having a weber pietrangelo chara instead off having a two way center
in 2010 without pronger they lost in 1round

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09-30-2013, 07:41 PM
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i think is better having a weber pietrangelo chara instead off having a two way center
in 2010 without pronger they lost in 1round
In 2010 they don't get there without Richards, either.

There's more to it than getting a #1 Dman. Yes, we need one. Trading a guy who fits a crucial Cup-contending mold in the process isn't the way to do it. Players like Couturier projects to be are pretty damned rare, you know. Not every team has one.

In 2010 without Richards they probably lose in the first round, too.


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09-30-2013, 07:45 PM
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In 2010 they don't get there without Richards, either.
in 2010 pronger was better important that richards
2011 without pronger 0-4 vs boston
if pronger play all games in 2011 the flyers won the cup that years

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Flyers offense comes and goes in streaks, but is generally pretty good. But not good enough to cover the defensive goaltending flaws.

Flyers finish 23-42-17, 7th in the Metropolitan. Lavy gone by New Year's, Homer probably keeps his job.

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09-30-2013, 08:14 PM
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offense will struggle early hartnell will be demoted and recover on cooters line becoming thier top scorerwith 26 goals while on an excellent two way line which is overshadowed by the immense success of the legion of zoom read g voracek. giroux cracks 100 pts and matt read fires his agent. meszaros gets healthy and overtakes streit in even strength minutes. goalies rotate up til the playoffs despite fan cries to acquire a #1. hal gil plays 18 games and doesnt suck.

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in 2010 pronger was better important that richards
2011 without pronger 0-4 vs boston
if pronger play all games in 2011 the flyers won the cup that years
Haha, there is absolutely no way they win the Cup in 2011 even if Pronger is healthy. They barely got past Buffalo. The goaltending was a disaster and handled poorly.

You're really underestimating the importance of Richards. You're also underestimating the importance of having a center like Couturier. Every Cup winning team since the cap era began has someone like him. That's quite a trend. It's as important as having a solid #1 Dman.

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offense will struggle early hartnell will be demoted and recover on cooters line becoming thier top scorerwith 26 goals while on an excellent two way line which is overshadowed by the immense success of the legion of zoom read g voracek. giroux cracks 100 pts and matt read fires his agent. meszaros gets healthy and overtakes streit in even strength minutes. goalies rotate up til the playoffs despite fan cries to acquire a #1. hal gil plays 18 games and doesnt suck.
You lost me at "doesn't suck."

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Haha, there is absolutely no way they win the Cup in 2011 even if Pronger is healthy. They barely got past Buffalo. The goaltending was a disaster and handled poorly.

You're really underestimating the importance of Richards. You're also underestimating the importance of having a center like Couturier. Every Cup winning team since the cap era began has someone like him. That's quite a trend. It's as important as having a solid #1 Dman.
i agree with you is important having a player couturier richards bergeron...
but i think is better having #1d-man instead of a 2way center


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My predictions
Team predictions
- A very slow start 3-8 in the month of October
- Extremely hot in late december leading to a 13 game win streak tying a flyers record
- Have average month of March and an super hot month of April leading into the playoffs
- Finish second in the Metro 1 point behind the pens
- The Flyers then defeat the NYR and Pitt in the playoffs before losing to Boston in the ECF (Kings win cup)
- End the season with, 2nd in goals for, #1 PP, #6 PK, 14th in Goals against

Player Predictions
-Claude Giroux- 34G 71A 105P, wins Hart trophy, and art ross, (Crosby suffers concussion out half of the season, Ovi has slow start, Tavares is overrated and barely puts up a point per game, Malkin has average season, Stamkos scores 50g but only adds 38A)
-Sean Couturier- Has a breakout season with 24G 41A, top 3 in selke voting(does not win though)
-Scott Hartnell- has serious trouble staying healthy and is demoted to third line
-Brayden Schenn puts up decent numbers but nothing to write home about
-Voracek nets 39G
-Emery takes starting job from Mason after his slow month of october and plays solid, behind a healthy Flyers D.

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Lavi is fired.

The Streit contract starts to look really bad.

Read and Couturier have good years. Schenn remains in limbo.

Hartnell will fall down.
Yea, this. Although I think the Schenn in limbo thing will be corrected once lavi is gone.

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i agree with you is important having a player couturier richards bergeron...
but i think is better having #1d-man instead of a 2way center
My point is you need both, and two way centers of the quality Couturier ought to become are as rare as #1 dmen.

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09-30-2013, 11:33 PM
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- Couturier outscores B. Schenn
- Read solidifies himself as a top 6 forward
- Streit starts off well but struggles with injuries in the 2nd half

Flyers finish 7th or 8th

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Another bold prediction

The U.S. government will have more "shutouts" than Mason and Emery combined...

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Optimistic (though I do like the chances of MOST of these happening):
- Giroux has a strong year, and records top-3 assist numbers in the NHL*, and emerges as a key piece to Canada's silver medal team
- Pertaining to the * above, Giroux does this because Voracek's goal-scoring falls back to earth and Lecavalier is promoted to the 1RW spot, leading to Giroux dishing like a 5-star chef to Vinny and Hartnell...
-...who both crack 60 points.
- Schenn retakes the center role on the 2nd line and is flanked by Simmonds and Voracek, leading to Simmonds scoring 25+, Schenn and Voracek 25+, and all 3 cracking 50 points, Jake ~60 because of his 1st unit PP minutes
- Couturier breaks out and shows flashes of becoming a premier two-way forward in the league. Couturier and Read lean on each other for success all year as players are yo-yo'd in and out of the 3LW spot, both crack 35 points.
- The Flyers 4th line struggles with inconsistencies, but provide the team with strong defensive play (headed by Hall and Talbot).
-The Flyers defense will look much better with Mark Streit's puck moving and Braydon Coburn with something to prove...and health. Health will be good.
- Steve Mason and Ray Emery's abilities to play the puck will tremendously help the defense avoid the forecheck, but they'll have streaks of poor games and shoddy play, as well as brilliant streaks with great play. Team confidence won't hit a valley like it did with Bryz, but it will be shaky at times.
- I also expect a slow start, but the team rallies around some event and it lights a fire...a fight, an injury, an argument/fight at practice, a new coach, we'll see.
- Flyers PP remains top 3 in the league, 2nd unit takes a massive step forward.
- Flyers PK improves, lands in the top 10 leaguewide
- Flyers finish 2nd in the division only to the Pens, but win the season series against Pittsburgh.
- Flyers do not win the Cup this season, but quiet a lot of critics

Pessimistic (the Philadelphia fan in me):
- injuries
- goaltending blows up in our face
- defense still sucks
- terrible start, Lavy fired. Poor replacement hired/promoted (hint hint)
- Finish last in the division (very talented division, I wouldn't discount this)
- Panic trade early, sending our 2014 #1 pick to another team for a player who doesn't help...Flyers don't have a 1st round pick in their building in 2014

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Thought pretty hard about this...

Good:
I think we'll see what we've come to expect from Claude.

I think the big step forward is Matt Read, who I think has a legitimate shot at 60 points (roughly 30/30). Contract looks like a steal.

I think Luke Schenn establishes himself as the shutdown D-man that was expected at the draft. He breaks the every other year trend and finishes the year as an All Star caliber defenseman.

Neutral:
B. Schenn will continue to frustrate. He'll look like the best player on the ice about 10% of the time, then disappear for stretches.

Streit is what we expect. A below average defensive player who adds significant offense. I think he ultimately displaces Timmo from the top PP unit.

I'll be Mez & Gus both play their fair share (60+ games each).

Goaltending. I suspect that neither guy seizes the job. Emery looks good early, bit wears down over time. Mason looks a lot better than he did in Columbus, but still doesn't resemble a true number 1.

Bad:
Sean Couturier does NOT take the step forward that everyone hopes for. I think he could finish with more points and continue to play solid defensive hockey, but I really don't expect to see 40 points.

I suspect Kimmo starts to look old real fast and plays no more the 55 games.

Overall:
I expect a good overall season with the depth that we have and would not be surprised if we are competitive in a 3 horse race in the Metro. The decline of Kimmo as the season wears on costs us late. We squeak into the playoffs, upset someone in the first round, then bow out.

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Good:

The team will have eleven 15-goal scorers:

Hartnell
Lecavilier
Simmonds
Giroux
Voracek
B. Schenn
Read
Couturier
Talbot (!)
Rinaldo (!!)
Timonen (!!)


The PK will be in the top 10 in SH goals and in overall PK percentage

Bad:

The goalies will be a massive disappointment

Ugly:

Laviolette's handling of the media's gonna get nasty

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We will make the playoffs, how far we go is the big question.

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I think the PP will be very good, PK average, ES scoring average, and play in our own end will suck, we'll have a shot at a bottom seeding for the playoffs

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-Flyers have 8 20-goal scorers, but none with 30:
Giroux
Voracek
Hartnell
Lecavalier
Couturier
Schenn
Read
Simmonds

-Couturier is top 5 on the team in scoring

-Someone not named Emery or Mason will be the starting goaltender after the trade deadline.

-Flyers go into the last weekend of the season (@ PIT, v. Car) needing to win both to make the playoffs. Coached by Kevin Dineen.

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We win opening night, but then go 3-6-1 through the first ten, Lavi sacked and Ted Nolan brought in... the NHL now hates us completely.

We go on to make the playoffs with 7th seed, destroy Detroit 4-1 in the first round, then fall to Boston in the 2nd in a 4-2 series.

Giroux gets 94 points in 77 games. 29 goals and 65 assists.

Voracek gets 84 points in 81 games. 36 goals and 48 assists.

Hartnell gets 55 points in 82 games. 28-27.

Couts breaks out, 49 points in 72 games. 18-31, Read scores 20 of Couts 31 assists. Couts gets top 5 in Selke.

Read gets 48 points, 24-24.

The second line is a disappointment, and is broken up half way through the year, with one moving to 1st line, a long term injury occurs to one of the three, one of the three (one who moves to 1st line) has a biggish season and gets 60 points, Hartnell moves to 2nd and rejuvenates them after 60 games after spending 10 struggling to click.

Luke Schenn proves his premier shut down D quality.

Kimmo gets 50 points.

Coburn has a good year.

Grossmann injured.

Streit disappoints.

Our 3rd d pairing end ups being guys from beer leagues.

One of our goalies impresses, one looks like crap.

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