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10-02-2013, 02:03 PM
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Reimer is worth more to us than what his actual market value probably is. It would take an overpayment to get him, otherwise a late first or early 2nd doesn't really create much incentive for Toronto.

This is about the least it would take for the Leafs to consider trading Reimer, and I'm not even sure that the Leafs make this trade because the organization is very high on Reimer both as a goalie and person.

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I'd love this... but I wouldn't rush to move Reimer quite just yet. He's had an excellent half season and started this one out strong... I'd ride him out. He clearly has the mental game to play in Toronto. I wouldn't rush to move either... I like the idea of platooning 2 G's.

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Just think about it for a second.

You don't think the Oilers current goalie could get it done. So, you want an upgrade, and you see Reimer as an option. Now, if you were offered a 2nd for a starting goalie who you think could get it done with the Oilers, would you make that offer? No, and that's the response you'll get from every GM being offered that.

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How about Dubnyk for Reilly. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Dubnyk is ass.

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don't need to push him off a cliff after one bad game.

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don't need to push him off a cliff after one bad game.
Dubnyk's only had one bad game? News to me.

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Oiler fans said the same thing about Schneider. Couldn't see why he was considered better than Dubnyk. They're loyal, I'll give them that. But some of them are starting to see just how bad Dubnyk is. He'd make a decent back-up. I've been calling him the next Alex Auld since his junior days.
I have seen Oiler fans make long winded attempts to prove that Dub is better than Reimer, Schneider and even Price

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Reimer was probably the main reason we made the playoffs.

Seriously. The 50th overall pick or something awful like that is not even close to fair value

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I have seen Oiler fans make long winded attempts to prove that Dub is better than Reimer, Schneider and even Price
Once again...where is everyone getting the idea that it's black and white and _____ is better than _____?
Reimer is better than Dubynk based on what? They have similar numbers and that's about what you can go by. Dubnyk lets in bad goals...Reimer doesn't? Schneider doesn't? Price doesn't? Give me a break.

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I have seen Oiler fans make long winded attempts to prove that Dub is better than Reimer, Schneider and even Price
Haven't seen Price, but i've certainly seen the others.

On Dubnyk: He is streaky... one of the streakiest goalies in the NHL. But for Toronto i'd say Bernier is right there as well.

Reimer is a bit less sporadic.

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I don't understand the concept of goalies having low value.

It' the most important position in hockey. Shouldn't they have higher value?

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I don't understand the concept of goalies having low value.

It' the most important position in hockey. Shouldn't they have higher value?
They have low value because they're extremely hard to predict. Every year there are examples of guys who went from all stars to bed wetters.

Which is why I'm stunned that so many people around here seem have every goalie pegged to a tee.

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Some people need to give their heads a shake.

The Leafs traded for Bernier, not because they thought he definitely was better than Reimer or that he definitely would be our starter. They traded for Bernier to add DEPTH and insurance. Both Reimer and Bernier are relatively young, relatively unproven, but have shown flashes of really solid play.

Trading one of them right now completely negates the whole purpose of trading for Bernier to begin with. ESPECIALLY when the proposed offer is significantly LESS than what we traded for Bernier.

There's no way we trade either of them right now. No way. Not unless another team paid a ridiculous overpayment that made the Leafs value that over insurance in goal, which no team would be willing to pay, because it would have to be quite a bit.

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How about Dubnyk for Reilly. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Way to edit out the context of my post...it would have been easier for you to quote the entire post but for some strange reason you choose to edit out what I had to say...things that make you go hmmmm

The difference which you fail to grasp, is that Edm needs a goalie and Toronto is not motivated to part with one. If you want Reimer you need to make an offer that Toronto will consider...

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Come on, Reimer's value has been discussed before. Schneider fetched a top 10, a low 1st or high second is reasonable For Reimer.

I don't think it's time for Edmonton to start scrambling or TO wanting to go with a clear number one. That aside I think the Oilers 2nd and a conditional 3rd would be fair.

I guess I should say if the Oilers had a second this coming year.
the question isn't what Reimer is worth, but the question is how much would it take for the leafs to trade Reimer? and thats an overpayment... i hope Reimer can beat out Bernier but Bernier in the end will win the goalie battle, but what if he gets hurt and we just traded our only other NHL goalie? a 1st round pick is what i would be looking for for Reimer, if nothing else a good (not blue chip) prospect + a 2nd (such as Percy + 2nd rounder or Frattin + 2nd) but lets use our goalies to our advantage first

if it was somethign such as Nurse being offered i think u need to take that and run....


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Some people need to give their heads a shake.

The Leafs traded for Bernier, not because they thought he definitely was better than Reimer or that he definitely would be our starter. They traded for Bernier to add DEPTH and insurance.
And because the cost to acquire Bernier was reasonable. Because Scrivens wasn't ready to handle more than 20 games (if that many). Because Reimer had only played a max of 40 games in 1 season, and someone else was needed if he faltered. Because if Bernier develops into a #1, his value is twice what Toronto paid for it.

Toronto didn't acquire Bernier to replace Remier. They acquired him because he was cheap (to acquire) and he has potential. Should he become a #1, then Remier might be expendable. But until then, if someone wants Reimer, it's not about what he's worth on the market, it's about what he's worth to Toronto - which is significantly more. So either pony up, or forget about it.

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I'd love this... but I wouldn't rush to move Reimer quite just yet. He's had an excellent half season and started this one out strong... I'd ride him out. He clearly has the mental game to play in Toronto. I wouldn't rush to move either... I like the idea of platooning 2 G's.
We're in agreement, I'm just stating what type of asset I think it would take for Nonis to consider moving Reimer. He may or may not even consider it, as having the 2 goalies might be more valuable in his eyes than yet another D prospect in the system. We all know HF values picks and prospects over starting goalies

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You can't hold that against Dubnyk when he hasn't even had a chance to start a playoff game.
Dubnyk could have helped that situation, no? Reimer certainly did that last year. Didn't he not lose a game in regulation in like two months? This is why I consider Reimer better. He helped, no... made the Leafs into a playoff team with his goaltending. People have been saying for a long time how great the Oilers "young guns" are and yet they still get top picks every year

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Way to edit out the context of my post...it would have been easier for you to quote the entire post but for some strange reason you choose to edit out what I had to say...things that make you go hmmmm

The difference which you fail to grasp, is that Edm needs a goalie and Toronto is not motivated to part with one. If you want Reimer you need to make an offer that Toronto will consider...
To clarify...
Edmonton is going to want A) a low cost, high reward goalie, or B) a higher cost but immediate, significant and undisputable upgrade.
Neither of these are James Reimer.

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Reimer is worth more to us than what his actual market value probably is. It would take an overpayment to get him, otherwise a late first or early 2nd doesn't really create much incentive for Toronto.

This is about the least it would take for the Leafs to consider trading Reimer, and I'm not even sure that the Leafs make this trade because the organization is very high on Reimer both as a goalie and person.

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These are golden. can't stop laughing at this thread, sure you guys don't want Hall or Yakupov as well ?? Maybe send us JML to balance it out ?? My fellow Oil fans need to relax, it's been one game. Price looked rough last night too, it happens.

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To clarify...
Edmonton is going to want A) a low cost, high reward goalie, or B) a higher cost but immediate, significant and undisputable upgrade.
Neither of these are James Reimer.

Reimer is an upgrade (significant or any amount) as he was a big contribution to our team making the playoffs.

A 2nd round pick does exactly what for our team in terms of positivity? Clear cap space?

This is a scenario that only benefits the Oilers- a situation where a player is worth more to their team and it wouldn't make sense to overpay to acquire him.

I'm sure you wouldn't want a 2nd or even a 1st for a lot of your roster players not on your top line

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Or Ryan Miller.
I think he's a bit old to add to Edmonton's core.

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Reimer is an upgrade (significant or any amount) as he was a big contribution to our team making the playoffs.

A 2nd round pick does exactly what for our team in terms of positivity? Clear cap space?

This is a scenario that only benefits the Oilers- a situation where a player is worth more to their team and it wouldn't make sense to overpay to acquire him.

I'm sure you wouldn't want a 2nd or even a 1st for a lot of your roster players not on your top line
We could go round and round on who's better but I'd say they're pretty close, which ever way it leans. He's most definitely not what anyone outside of Toronto should call a clear & significant upgrade.

The OP had to think that Reimer might be a target to fit (A) because of Bernier. If he could be had for a low cost for the same reasons Bernier was brought in for Toronto, then great. But he can't. And he's nowhere near a sure enough bet to pay a premium for. So not a good fit.

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The reason the leafs got Bernier is to have 2 good goalies.

They're not looking to trade a goalie.

That said I would take Nurse for Reimer.

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Come on, Bernier got a 2nd plus a couple of young players. Reimer is worth substantially less than that because...?

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