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10-02-2013, 10:27 AM
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"it has nothing to do with size, he's just soft and SMALL"

wow, talk about contradicting yourself in the same post. The obsession with size has become so absurd. I've never seen a fan base so insecure.

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10-02-2013, 10:30 AM
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Agreed, I think people would like Diaz a lot more if we weren't pretending he belongs on a 1st unit PK. It's time to stop with these idiotic decisions and put Subban in the situations where we need him, he can handle 28 minutes a night and special teams duty. It's not Diaz's fault that MT is playing him so much on the PK.

Diaz is soft, but he has good hockey sense and rarely makes a bad play. If he were paired with Emelin or Gorges I don't think there would be nearly a much hate on him, because while he's not a stay at home guy to anchor the pairing, he's a solid puck mover and a fringe top 4 guy IMO. I don't really see him as redundant on this team either, we have Gorges, Tinordi, and Bouillion who are your "stay at home" types who aren't great at moving the puck. Then we have Markov, Subban, and Diaz as "puck movers". At the moment we have redundancy in Markov and Subban paired together, but I wonder how long until we pair Tinordi or Gorges with Diaz and shift Markov to be more of a PP specialist.

There's a quote from Dave Tippet about "stay at home" vs soft puck moving defensemen that I think is relevant when talking about Diaz.

"I'll give you an example. We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shutdown defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can't move the puck. Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn't defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he's making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he's only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."

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10-02-2013, 10:39 AM
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Still on the fence about him, can be frustrating to watch his passes(the drunk guy that passes to no one). Would be more valuable in a lesser role. If he wants to sign a cheap contract for a few years, I wouldn't mind, but otherwise I think he's a stopgap until Beaulieu arrives.

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10-02-2013, 10:49 AM
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Has he peaked?

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10-02-2013, 12:12 PM
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Has he peaked?
I think so. He used to make up for his lack of strenght by working harder than others, but that cannot last.

And his offensive skills and instincts are good but not great. Not enough to compensate for sub par defense. The bigger European ice suits his game better.

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10-02-2013, 12:38 PM
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"it has nothing to do with size, he's just soft and SMALL"

wow, talk about contradicting yourself in the same post. The obsession with size has become so absurd. I've never seen a fan base so insecure.
What has soft/small players done for this franchise? 20 years of poop. Keep thinking size and toughness has nothing to do with it.

Diaz is a creampuff. To be effective as a dman in your own zone, you need some physicality. You need to be able to clear the crease. Can Diaz do that?

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10-02-2013, 02:16 PM
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What has soft/small players done for this franchise? 20 years of poop. Keep thinking size and toughness has nothing to do with it.

Diaz is a creampuff. To be effective as a dman in your own zone, you need some physicality. You need to be able to clear the crease. Can Diaz do that?
When defending Diaz's go-to move is lean in and poke at the puck. Zero intimidation. When he has possession he can be rushed by even an anemic forecheck.

Not a fan of players that can only perform well if they play "beside a big guy" like Diaz (DD), unless they're a superstar which Diaz is not.

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10-02-2013, 02:16 PM
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It has nothing to do with size. He's just soft and small. He can't clear the crease, he's not confident in his own end with the puck. Maybe he will get better with time, but it baffles me how Therien would put him on the PK more than Subban. It makes NO sense.
Good job contradicting yourself!

95% of NHL defensemen can't clear the crease. Big freaking deal.

He's confident with the puck in all 3 zones, he''s above average with the puck on his stick period...strop trying to make up crap.

I'm not sure why Therrien uses him more than PK ok the PK, maybe because PK plays 2 minutes per PP and he wants to manage his energy. Diaz isn't the ideal PK guy, but he reads the play well and has a very good stick plus is a good shot blocker.

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10-02-2013, 02:21 PM
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Hey guys, just dropping by with a question on Diaz, he's a free agent in my keeper and I'm keeping an eye on him because I'm super weak on defense. Do you think he will play most of the year? Also if he does can he be on the same pace as last season likely?

PS: really rooting for you guys this year and last nights game broke my heart. Eller is a star though.

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10-02-2013, 02:32 PM
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Hey guys, just dropping by with a question on Diaz, he's a free agent in my keeper and I'm keeping an eye on him because I'm super weak on defense. Do you think he will play most of the year? Also if he does can he be on the same pace as last season likely?

PS: really rooting for you guys this year and last nights game broke my heart. Eller is a star though.
Unless there's a trade, I see Diaz playing quite consistent minutes all year at even strength and getting as much PP time as possible. Markov seems to have fallen off a bit so, this will give Diaz more responsibility but less benefits from playing with Markov. I'd guess around 40pts.

PS: Wish our team was as exciting to watch as Hall-Perron-Yakupov-Eberle-RNH-Schultz etc. Hopefully they'll be able to round out their game in the next couple of years.

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What has soft/small players done for this franchise? 20 years of poop. Keep thinking size and toughness has nothing to do with it.

Diaz is a creampuff. To be effective as a dman in your own zone, you need some physicality. You need to be able to clear the crease. Can Diaz do that?
95% of NHL defenseman can't clear the crease. Unless you're a monsterous guy like Chara Gill Murray Weber etc you're not just going to wipe out somebody from the front of the net if he wants to stay...barring taking a penality. Most d-men use body position to maintain positionning plus anticipation and an active stick. Even Emelin who is big and strong at 220+lbs will have a hard time clearing a forward from the front of the net

Your analysis is like saying Dominic Hasek was a terrible goalie because he was a brutal puckhandler. Clearing the crease is a very small part of playing defense.

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10-02-2013, 02:51 PM
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I think Diaz wouldn't get such a rough ride from fans if his skating style wasn't so "panicky". I can't be the only one who watches Diaz's choppy stride when going to retrieve a puck and think "well he just doesn't look comfortable out there at all!"

That isn't to say he's a slow player, mind you, just that he skates the way a player does when they've just made a mistake, only with him its all the time.

I imagine his internal monologue probably goes something like "ohgodohgodohgodohgod" all the time.

Decent depth defeseman though. Should make a good pair with Tinordi once Emelin is back.

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The bigger European ice suits his game better.
Probably suits our team's game better as well.

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Unless there's a trade, I see Diaz playing quite consistent minutes all year at even strength and getting as much PP time as possible.
With so many depth defensemen injured (Drewiske, Murray) and Emelin still not back, not likely we'll see much in the way of trading away a defenseman. Diaz should be safe until the 2nd half of the season.

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10-02-2013, 03:07 PM
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Most underrated player of this team.

Solid defensively, a force offensively. Sign him long term before it's too late.

But seriously, if he is not injured, Diaz could easily get 40-45 points this season (last year 0,6 point/game). What type of contract does this type of 27-28 old defenseman get as a free agent? I think people don't realize how valuable this defenseman is.
I actually don't like him that much, find him overrated. He has some decent offensive awareness, but i don't like him defensively. We need better defensemen, players that are better in their own zone than in the opposition's end. When Murray returns, I'd much rather see a defence with both him, Tinordi, and Bouillon, rather than Diaz.

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10-02-2013, 03:26 PM
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People think "haters" use the 4th goal as the norm. Still, I've been saying for a while that each time he's about to get pressured, he will get rid of the puck, very often for the worst.

0 puck protection skill, and 0 ability to sustain pressure. Some odd good stick plays here and there, but that just ain't enough in this league if you're not ELITE offensively. Which he's not. His shot is nothing to write home about neither.

I've had a lot of issues with this guy for a while now, and yesterday was no exception. He is responsible for the game winning goal in a loss against a division rival who are going to be our main rival for the last playoffs spot. That's it, that's all. But then, yet again, everybody will be so quick to forget about all of this. Because he has good micro-stats. heh.
what about Markov ?

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10-02-2013, 03:26 PM
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It's so funny watching him play defense, trying one-hand poke checks in the corners! I don't know of any defenseman that frail playing in the NHL that is successful and that I'd want on my team. Unless a defenseman has elite skill there is no excuse for being frail.


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95% of NHL defenseman can't clear the crease. Unless you're a monsterous guy like Chara Gill Murray Weber etc you're not just going to wipe out somebody from the front of the net if he wants to stay...barring taking a penality. Most d-men use body position to maintain positionning plus anticipation and an active stick. Even Emelin who is big and strong at 220+lbs will have a hard time clearing a forward from the front of the net

Your analysis is like saying Dominic Hasek was a terrible goalie because he was a brutal puckhandler. Clearing the crease is a very small part of playing defense.
finally an intelligent post on this forum

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95% of NHL defenseman can't clear the crease. Unless you're a monsterous guy like Chara Gill Murray Weber etc you're not just going to wipe out somebody from the front of the net if he wants to stay...barring taking a penality. Most d-men use body position to maintain positionning plus anticipation and an active stick. Even Emelin who is big and strong at 220+lbs will have a hard time clearing a forward from the front of the net

Your analysis is like saying Dominic Hasek was a terrible goalie because he was a brutal puckhandler. Clearing the crease is a very small part of playing defense.
You're way off.

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Good job contradicting yourself!

95% of NHL defensemen can't clear the crease. Big freaking deal.

He's confident with the puck in all 3 zones, he''s above average with the puck on his stick period...strop trying to make up crap.

I'm not sure why Therrien uses him more than PK ok the PK, maybe because PK plays 2 minutes per PP and he wants to manage his energy. Diaz isn't the ideal PK guy, but he reads the play well and has a very good stick plus is a good shot blocker.
Love your percentage. Any hard data to back that up or did you pick that number out of thin air?

He's confident?

OK, scout.

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In general its not the individual parts that are the issue in Montreal. Diaz as a players is a regular NHL defensemen however it makes no sense to pair him with Markov.

The problem in Montreal is the size and makeup of their defenseman and usage.

Montreal has a star defenseman in Subban

A #4 aging PP specialist in Markov. Sorry folks he isnt capable of 24 minutes a night anymore.

A # 4 defensive Dman in Gorges

A # 5 PP specialist in Diaz

A # 6 defenseman in Boullion

And a potential #2 complimentary top pairing in Tinordi however in terms of development is currently a #5.

Realistically Montreal is missing a #2 and #3 quality of defenseman which is causing guys past usage, roles and abilities.

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Yes they are definitely missing a true #2, a guy that can play and be trusted at both ends for 24+ min.

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Yes they are definitely missing a true #2, a guy that can play and be trusted at both ends for 24+ min.
It's gonna be Tinordi. Probably sooner than we think.

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It's gonna be Tinordi. Probably sooner than we think.
not with the coaching staff in place.

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not with the coaching staff in place.
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