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10-02-2013, 06:10 PM
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I know, he had one bad game and suddenly he is the worst goalie in the NHL.
One bad game? Dubnyk has had PLENTY of bad games. I'd take Halak over him in a heartbeat.

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10-02-2013, 06:19 PM
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He was great in Montréal, IMO one of the best goalies in the world back then but lately he has been pretty bad, might be because of his injuries but that's big reason I don't want anything to do with him.



I respectfully disagree. I made a list which contains 59 goalies from the NHL. 30 -> is below average.

Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne, Rask, Schneider
Bobrovsky, Niemi, Lehtonen, Crawford, Howard
Anderson, Miller, Luongo, Price, Smith
Vokoun, Holtby, Fleury, Ward, Dubnyk (20)
Reimer, Nabokov, Bernier, Halak, Fasth
Enroth, Neuvirth, Brodeur, Varlamov, Lehner
Bäckström, Bishop, Rämö, Elliott, Emery
Lindbäck, Pavelec, Greiss, Mason, Budaj
Khabibulin, Hiller, Giguere, Biron, LaBarbera
Khudobin, Ellis, Markström, Scrivens, Harding
Montoya, MacDonald, Läck, Clemmensen, Poulin
Gustavsson, Johnson, Hutton, McElhinney
Bunch of those are backups. Dubnyk is worse than 25-30 of those goalies.

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10-02-2013, 06:33 PM
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Bunch of those are backups. Dubnyk is worse than 25-30 of those goalies.
I know. The poster who I quoted said Dubnyk is below average NHL goalie and that's just wrong. He is below average starter though.

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10-02-2013, 06:40 PM
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I know. The poster who I quoted said Dubnyk is below average NHL goalie and that's just wrong. He is below average starter though.
He is a starting role and has been more for than this season, so he is below average

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10-02-2013, 07:21 PM
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I know. The poster who I quoted said Dubnyk is below average NHL goalie and that's just wrong. He is below average starter though.
So what scientific algorithm did you run to calculate the placements on that list? Or is it witchcraft?

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10-02-2013, 07:50 PM
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Blues give up the least amount of shots, so statistically our goals will have lower sv%'s.

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10-02-2013, 08:14 PM
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Bunch of those are backups. Dubnyk is worse than 25-30 of those goalies.
Umm no There might be like 6 better but not 25-30

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10-02-2013, 08:30 PM
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So what scientific algorithm did you run to calculate the placements on that list? Or is it witchcraft?
I watch games. Something what 90% of hfboards doesn't do.

But yeah, if you guys are mad at my list - send me a personal message. Let's not derail this thread with butthurtness.

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10-02-2013, 08:54 PM
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He was great in Montréal, IMO one of the best goalies in the world back then but lately he has been pretty bad, might be because of his injuries but that's big reason I don't want anything to do with him.



I respectfully disagree. I made a list which contains 59 goalies from the NHL. 30 -> is below average.

Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne, Rask, Schneider
Bobrovsky, Niemi, Lehtonen, Crawford, Howard
Anderson, Miller, Luongo, Price, Smith
Vokoun, Holtby, Fleury, Ward, Dubnyk (20)
Reimer, Nabokov, Bernier, Halak, Fasth
Enroth, Neuvirth, Brodeur, Varlamov, Lehner
Bäckström, Bishop, Rämö, Elliott, Emery
Lindbäck, Pavelec, Greiss, Mason, Budaj
Khabibulin, Hiller, Giguere, Biron, LaBarbera
Khudobin, Ellis, Markström, Scrivens, Harding
Montoya, MacDonald, Läck, Clemmensen, Poulin
Gustavsson, Johnson, Hutton, McElhinney
I am an Oiler fan . DD plays great some nights . The problem is he lets in bad goals that deflate a young team ,so in short it cost them games . The Oiler should have won last night .
DD had the 11th best save % last year , but i think teams know he lets in soft goals ,so the team plan is to shoot from any where . That is why his save % is as high as it is . The bottom line is he cost this team games

One more thing is it is easier to play meaningless games . What will he play like when the pressure is on . Last year he seam to play bad when we were in a playoff spot once we fell out he played better again

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10-02-2013, 09:14 PM
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Umm no There might be like 6 better but not 25-30
Surely you aren't suggesting there's only 6 goalies better than Dubnyk in the NHL.

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He was great in Montréal, IMO one of the best goalies in the world back then but lately he has been pretty bad, might be because of his injuries but that's big reason I don't want anything to do with him.



I respectfully disagree. I made a list which contains 59 goalies from the NHL. 30 -> is below average.

Lundqvist, Quick, Rinne, Rask, Schneider
Bobrovsky, Niemi, Lehtonen, Crawford, Howard
Anderson, Miller, Luongo, Price, Smith
Vokoun, Holtby, Fleury, Ward, Dubnyk (20)
Reimer, Nabokov, Bernier, Halak, Fasth
Enroth, Neuvirth, Brodeur, Varlamov, Lehner
Bäckström, Bishop, Rämö, Elliott, Emery
Lindbäck, Pavelec, Greiss, Mason, Budaj
Khabibulin, Hiller, Giguere, Biron, LaBarbera
Khudobin, Ellis, Markström, Scrivens, Harding
Montoya, MacDonald, Läck, Clemmensen, Poulin
Gustavsson, Johnson, Hutton, McElhinney
Bold is guys I take over Dubnyk
Italics are guys you threw in to make DD seem better then he actually is.

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.916, .914, .920 is everything else but worst starters stats. If he had Bruins D in front of him he would be .930 goalie year after year.



.910, .926, .899 and he has one of the best defensive corpses in front of him. He is small, injury prone and varying goalie. No way in hell I would replace Dubnyk with him.
Save % means diddly squat when you give up a soft, backbreaking goal pretty much every game, which is what Dubnyk does best.

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10-02-2013, 11:22 PM
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I don't care that Dubnyk can spot a impressive looking .920 sp , its the timing and quality of the .80 goals he lets in, It sinks us in games we are in control of.

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10-03-2013, 12:05 AM
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3 way

Edmonton: Halak
St. Louis : Miller (salary retained)
Buffalo: STL 1st, Edm 2nd, Edm 3rd/4th

Blues fans won't like the price but the 1st on top of Halak is to get a good amount of cap retained. How much cap retention that gets? I have no idea...

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I don't care that Dubnyk can spot a impressive looking .920 sp , its the timing and quality of the .80 goals he lets in, It sinks us in games we are in control of.
Exactly. He is easily the most mentally fragile starter in the league. You can't win with a guy who practically kills the momentum of the team every game. And no this is not an overreaction to last night, Dubnyk has been like this for the last 3 years. He's definitely a big reason why we've been so terrible. MacT knows this too and was trying to acquire a goaltender in the summer because of it.

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10-03-2013, 12:16 AM
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3 way

Edmonton: Halak
St. Louis : Miller (salary retained)
Buffalo: STL 1st, Edm 2nd, Edm 3rd/4th

Blues fans won't like the price but the 1st on top of Halak is to get a good amount of cap retained. How much cap retention that gets? I have no idea...
Done in a heartbeat.

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10-03-2013, 11:23 AM
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What would the Blues want from Edmonton? I don't think you guys want salary back, so prospects/draft picks. Labarbera needs some competition for the starter job.
To all those over reacting fans to his 5 goals against game.

It is clear you have zero clue how many 4 + goal games a goalie has in a season.
Since dubnyk became starter for the oilers:
The best
1. Lundquist 9%
2. Anderson 11%
3. Dubnyk 12%

The third best goalie at giving his team 3 or less goals against.
The last three years the only goalie with even save % of better than .920.

We might want to worry about getting our shots against from 32.8 per game #29 into the top 10
28 shots per game.
That way one of only 8 starters to have above average save% the last three years the 6 th best in the game at .917 can get a ga that goes from 2.57 ga/Gm to 2.24 ga/Gm.

Look into some performance history before flying off the handle.
Does he give us 4+ ga games. Sure!
Usually they are 5+
But the guy is one of the best at giving us a chance to win most nights.

I will guess it is shots against.

Unless you believe Boston, NY Rangers, Canucks, Chicago defence gave up more high scoring % shots than our defence that gave up the 2nd most shots the last three years.
3 of the last 4 cup winers and aconf finalist.

Really people!

Learn the game!
The trite he gives up the bad goal!
Every goalie does and dubnyk gives us more chances to win!
Facing the 2nd most shots.
That's right you guys are the ones that's thinks our d is better than Boston, rangers, Blackhawks, Canucks.
COME ON!

Do not use wins to measure a goalie.
They do not score goals 50% of the game.
Forwards.
Do not use Goals against to measure a goalie.
The variance in shots / game affect is 60% of goals against.
Defence
The goalie can stop the pucks that get to the net.
Save%
it is 40% of Goals against.
20% of winning.
Dubnyk the best at even.


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10-03-2013, 12:34 PM
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Bold is guys I take over Dubnyk
Italics are guys you threw in to make DD seem better then he actually is.
Really? Emery? Come on now, Emery hasn't been even average in years.

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3 way

Edmonton: Halak
St. Louis : Miller (salary retained)
Buffalo: STL 1st, Edm 2nd, Edm 3rd/4th

Blues fans won't like the price but the 1st on top of Halak is to get a good amount of cap retained. How much cap retention that gets? I have no idea...
Since the Blues currently possess the Oilers 2nd rounder... The Oilers literally only give up a 3rd/4th for Halak? And keep Dubnyk? And suddenly don't have one of the league's worst* goaltending duos?

Sign me up for that. That's near-perfect asset management.

*: It's not because of Dubnyk. It's because of what we have behind him.

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Halak would be a good fit in Edmonton. I think it'd cost them a 2014 1st but that could be a small price to pay to solidify their goaltending which I think is the only thing preventing them from taking the next step.

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Halak would be a good fit in Edmonton. I think it'd cost them a 2014 1st but that could be a small price to pay to solidify their goaltending which I think is the only thing preventing them from taking the next step.
Wouldn't give up a first for him. He's been too inconsistent over the last year.

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Why is it that everytime someone tries to use stats to prove a bad point they're so confident the 48 game season that started 3 months late is the "accurate" description of a player. How about we just let the Dubnyk apologists have their 48 games played and they can walk away satisfied.

Regardless of how much you like either goalie Halak isn't even remotely available in the first month of the season. So you can attempt to fix it elsewhere and you'll soon realize you're SOL now that guys like Schneider and Bernier are gone and competitive teams have no reason to help Edm out.

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Oilers missed a pretty good opportunity to add a goaltending upgrade in the offseason...if that's what they really believed was necessary. Unfortunately for them, 2 of the teams unloading goalies happened to be in their division, but I guess we don't really know how that affected negotiations (if there were any).

I think the Oilers need more than a goalie like Halak, who although has proven himself to be able to get hot in short periods of time, hasn't proven to be a consistent star goalie. They need that consistent star goalie to be a difference maker night in night out if they want to be a playoff team with the questionable defense they have.

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Schneider gave up 5 goals on 14 shots opening night last year and look how he turned it around. Settle down Oiler fans. You'll be alright.
yeah I'm sure Dubnyk will be fine. great young goalie like Schneider.

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Duby's not that bad.

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