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10-02-2013, 03:42 PM
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If you don't think Prust controls the puck well down low, then we really have nothing left to talk about. The guy is a pain on the forecheck and wins puck battles down low consistently.

Sorry it doesn't fit your argument.
That's a laugh. Your statement was that Boyle is good playing with players that "like to control" the puck. And you're telling me that Prust wins puck battles. Yes he does but then has no clue what to do with the puck unless he's shooting it. He does not in any way shape or form "control the puck" in any real way. So stick your sarcasm.

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He was .564% on face-offs last year.

Can there be a thread just for a Boyle, because it seems like every problem the Rangers ever have dwindles down to Brian Boyle here on HF.
Yes, he's good in the dot, but not great. Where did he rank? Not being sarcastic. I really don't know.

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Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Richards - Miller - Callahan
Fast - Moore - Dorsett

that looks good and leaves some nice spares: Boyle, Kreider, Lindberg, Asham, Haley, Powe, Hrivik, Kristo...my only worry is whether that second line gets pushed around a bit.

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10-02-2013, 03:51 PM
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So what you are saying is they do a lot and accomplish little?

And I watch plenty of games...
I'm saying they make the other team defend.

Shaw had 23 points in 37 games in 11-12 and 15 points in 48 games last year with 12 and 9 goals respectively. And Chris Kelly in his last full season 11-12 scored 20 goals and 39 points total and in 6 full season he has "averaged" 14 goals a year.


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10-02-2013, 05:28 PM
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Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Richards - Miller - Callahan
Fast - Moore - Dorsett

that looks good and leaves some nice spares: Boyle, Kreider, Lindberg, Asham, Haley, Powe, Hrivik, Kristo...my only worry is whether that second line gets pushed around a bit.
I'm in agreement with a Richards - Miller - Callahan line. Miller and Cally have enough, for lack of a better term, "Go" to make up for Beaver if he's going to continue to float around and finesse everyone into submission. I think Richie can have a good season being what he is at this point, but he needs two guys that can motor in and forecheck hard, so Richie can look for his open ice and the right spot to make something happen.

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10-02-2013, 05:32 PM
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Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - Zuccarello
Richards - Miller - Callahan
Fast - Moore - Dorsett

that looks good and leaves some nice spares: Boyle, Kreider, Lindberg, Asham, Haley, Powe, Hrivik, Kristo...my only worry is whether that second line gets pushed around a bit.
Zero clue why so many folks think Fast is better suited at 4th line wing than Boyle.

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10-02-2013, 05:34 PM
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Zero clue why so many folks think Fast is better suited at 4th line wing than Boyle.
He's not, but if Boyle is as useless as he was last regular season I'd rather just see the kid get some NHL minutes.

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10-02-2013, 05:48 PM
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Does anyone like the name, Lé Norwegian Baguette for the Zucc - Brass - Pouliot line? Nicknames are of utmost importance.
La baguette Norvégienne.

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So when Hagelin and Callahan are back we could possibly see:

Richards - Stepan - Nash
Pouliet - Brassard - Zucc (2A line)
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan (2B line)
Boyle - Moore - Dorsett
Pyatt/Ashram

Fast to the Whale to get quality top 6 minutes.

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10-02-2013, 06:59 PM
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You know what's funny? Look at the stats of the #3 centers for the teams who made the Finals last year.

Kelly and Kruger/Shaw(for most of last season he was their #3c). Where are their stats? How could their teams be any good!?! I don't understand!

So you're going to take Kelly's outlier year that happened in a lockout shortened season in which he missed games due to a broken leg? Sandwiched between his first season which was only 4 games, Kelly has had 8 straight seasons of double digit goals.

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10-02-2013, 07:11 PM
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So you're going to take Kelly's outlier year that happened in a lockout shortened season in which he missed games due to a broken leg? Sandwiched between his first season which was only 4 games, Kelly has had 8 straight seasons of double digit goals.
He's also getting old and slow. Still their 3rd line center.

Richards has a long track record too...

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10-02-2013, 08:31 PM
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Yes, he's good in the dot, but not great. Where did he rank? Not being sarcastic. I really don't know.
It doesn't matter, he's still our best face-off man.

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10-02-2013, 11:39 PM
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For a long time, I've felt having three essential lines was where hockey was headed rather than just relying on two scoring lines. There is much more matching defensemen against top lines these days that matching lines. I like this mix a lot. With travel and a new system, the first 10 games are almost certain to be a little rough but by Thanksgiving, I expect this team to be humming.

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10-03-2013, 12:21 AM
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It doesn't matter, he's still our best face-off man.
Are his numbers better than Moore career wise? Not sure.

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LGR! Its game time baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If I coached this team, I'd ice this lineup when everyone is ready. I am a big fan of deep line-ups and would roll 4 lines more or less equally 5 on 5 (while going harder with a few on the special teams) (and yes, I might be going a bit over the top here).

My Line-up:
Hagelin-Miller-Nash //Nash needs alot of puck to be successful, he goes hard to the net and draws alot of attention while going to the net. To play with him, you need speed, but you should also not expect to have too much puck OTOH (there are exceptions, but that is OT).

My intention is for Hagelin and Miller to be to Rick Nash what Avery and Dubinsky were to Jaromir Jagr. When Nash skates into a collected D, these two would swirm around him and pick up loose pucks and take it to the net. They would backcheck real hard. They would to all the dirty work for Nasher. They are not the best environment for Nash that we could put up, but IMO -- the best bang for the puck, if you get what I mean. We free up extremely valuble assets for other lines. IE, this line would still score alot of goals and be a threat offensively, but we don't load all our MVA(=assts) on it.

Richards-Stepan-Zucc//I do believe in this line. One of few imaginable combinatinos that I believe BR would do well in. Zucc is an awsome playmaker. Stepan a right handed shot, and very solid all over. BR can shot the puck really well, and pass it. All three are really smart. AND, many teams would still put their best D's out against Nash, he is the one you need to have your best DD out against...

Pouliot-Brassard-Fast//This line shouldn't be underrated. Brassard has played really well, and developed good chemistry with Pouliot. Fast is a right handed shot and a very smart player, he would pick up on Pouliots and Brassard's intentions instantly.

Dorsett-Boyle-Callahan//Extremely strong checking line. Could be used to calm things down, could be used for any important FO, we would always get a solid shift from this line.

A few comments:
-Callahan would get top PP and PK time, which amounts to around 7 minutes a night. With important FO time, etc, he would get up towards 20 minuts a night. When protecting a lead etc I would reshuffle and get him even more ice time.

-The third line might be a questionmark, but I actually think they would score their fair share of pts. If they did that, if Nasher can score around 70 pts on that first line, we would ice the deepest line-up in the NHL for sure. 6 solid D's to back it up. That is especially important for us since we don't have that "edge" really.

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LGR! Its game time baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If I coached this team, I'd ice this lineup when everyone is ready. I am a big fan of deep line-ups and would roll 4 lines more or less equally 5 on 5 (while going harder with a few on the special teams) (and yes, I might be going a bit over the top here).

My Line-up:
Hagelin-Miller-Nash //Nash needs alot of puck to be successful, he goes hard to the net and draws alot of attention while going to the net. To play with him, you need speed, but you should also not expect to have too much puck OTOH (there are exceptions, but that is OT).

My intention is for Hagelin and Miller to be to Rick Nash what Avery and Dubinsky were to Jaromir Jagr. When Nash skates into a collected D, these two would swirm around him and pick up loose pucks and take it to the net. They would backcheck real hard. They would to all the dirty work for Nasher. They are not the best environment for Nash that we could put up, but IMO -- the best bang for the puck, if you get what I mean. We free up extremely valuble assets for other lines. IE, this line would still score alot of goals and be a threat offensively, but we don't load all our MVA(=assts) on it.

Richards-Stepan-Zucc//I do believe in this line. One of few imaginable combinatinos that I believe BR would do well in. Zucc is an awsome playmaker. Stepan a right handed shot, and very solid all over. BR can shot the puck really well, and pass it. All three are really smart. AND, many teams would still put their best D's out against Nash, he is the one you need to have your best DD out against...

Pouliot-Brassard-Fast//This line shouldn't be underrated. Brassard has played really well, and developed good chemistry with Pouliot. Fast is a right handed shot and a very smart player, he would pick up on Pouliots and Brassard's intentions instantly.

Dorsett-Boyle-Callahan//Extremely strong checking line. Could be used to calm things down, could be used for any important FO, we would always get a solid shift from this line.

A few comments:
-Callahan would get top PP and PK time, which amounts to around 7 minutes a night. With important FO time, etc, he would get up towards 20 minuts a night. When protecting a lead etc I would reshuffle and get him even more ice time.

-The third line might be a questionmark, but I actually think they would score their fair share of pts. If they did that, if Nasher can score around 70 pts on that first line, we would ice the deepest line-up in the NHL for sure. 6 solid D's to back it up. That is especially important for us since we don't have that "edge" really.
i get what your trying to do....but your reaching too far...and callahan arg being our 2nd best goal scorer on the 4th line just doesnt make sense.....no matter how you try to find him more min in speacial teams hes just to important to get so few 5x5 mins

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LGR! Its game time baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If I coached this team, I'd ice this lineup when everyone is ready. I am a big fan of deep line-ups and would roll 4 lines more or less equally 5 on 5 (while going harder with a few on the special teams) (and yes, I might be going a bit over the top here).

My Line-up:
Hagelin-Miller-Nash //Nash needs alot of puck to be successful, he goes hard to the net and draws alot of attention while going to the net. To play with him, you need speed, but you should also not expect to have too much puck OTOH (there are exceptions, but that is OT).

My intention is for Hagelin and Miller to be to Rick Nash what Avery and Dubinsky were to Jaromir Jagr. When Nash skates into a collected D, these two would swirm around him and pick up loose pucks and take it to the net. They would backcheck real hard. They would to all the dirty work for Nasher. They are not the best environment for Nash that we could put up, but IMO -- the best bang for the puck, if you get what I mean. We free up extremely valuble assets for other lines. IE, this line would still score alot of goals and be a threat offensively, but we don't load all our MVA(=assts) on it.

Richards-Stepan-Zucc//I do believe in this line. One of few imaginable combinatinos that I believe BR would do well in. Zucc is an awsome playmaker. Stepan a right handed shot, and very solid all over. BR can shot the puck really well, and pass it. All three are really smart. AND, many teams would still put their best D's out against Nash, he is the one you need to have your best DD out against...

Pouliot-Brassard-Fast//This line shouldn't be underrated. Brassard has played really well, and developed good chemistry with Pouliot. Fast is a right handed shot and a very smart player, he would pick up on Pouliots and Brassard's intentions instantly.

Dorsett-Boyle-Callahan//Extremely strong checking line. Could be used to calm things down, could be used for any important FO, we would always get a solid shift from this line.

A few comments:
-Callahan would get top PP and PK time, which amounts to around 7 minutes a night. With important FO time, etc, he would get up towards 20 minuts a night. When protecting a lead etc I would reshuffle and get him even more ice time.

-The third line might be a questionmark, but I actually think they would score their fair share of pts. If they did that, if Nasher can score around 70 pts on that first line, we would ice the deepest line-up in the NHL for sure. 6 solid D's to back it up. That is especially important for us since we don't have that "edge" really.
Very interesting lineup Ola. We know how well Hagelin works with Nash, and Miller could potentially aid him in a similar manner while giving us the opportunity to play Stepan on another line. The question is can Miller handle #1C faceoffs at the NHL level?

I'd replace Dorsett with Moore or Pyatt on the 4th though. Dorsett has exclusively been a RW and I'm not sure how he'd handle a transition. RH shot usually have a harder time switching wing as they are rarer and therefore usually have played their natural side throughout their careers.

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i get what your trying to do....but your reaching too far...and callahan arg being our 2nd best goal scorer on the 4th line just doesnt make sense.....no matter how you try to find him more min in speacial teams hes just to important to get so few 5x5 mins
Callahan is a fantastic net-front guy on the PP, but he sucks at scoring 5v5. Over the past three seasons he has scored at a worse rate than Brian Boyle and Arron Asham.

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10-03-2013, 04:57 AM
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On “what the hell is going on with Chris Kreider,” I think he really wants to be successful so badly. He is trying to figure it out. He has a ton of talent and really wants it so bad. It’s not for a lack of effort. there were some preseaon games where he was pretty good. He isn’t far away and will be back with us for sure. It won’t be for long. I went through the same sort of thing when I was coming out of school and it’s confidence, when he gets a little bit of that he will be good to go and a tough guy to stop.”
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I really hope Chris figures it out because Brian is right, he will be very hard to stop if he ever does.

I'm just starting to doubt that he is ever going to figure it out well enough to be a legit top-6 winger. There is just too big a discrepancy between his current level and the one he has to reach.

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For a long time, I've felt having three essential lines was where hockey was headed rather than just relying on two scoring lines. There is much more matching defensemen against top lines these days that matching lines. I like this mix a lot. With travel and a new system, the first 10 games are almost certain to be a little rough but by Thanksgiving, I expect this team to be humming.
bobbop having positive things to say always makes me feel better

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Very interesting lineup Ola. We know how well Hagelin works with Nash, and Miller could potentially aid him in a similar manner while giving us the opportunity to play Stepan on another line. The question is can Miller handle #1C faceoffs at the NHL level?

I'd replace Dorsett with Moore or Pyatt on the 4th though. Dorsett has exclusively been a RW and I'm not sure how he'd handle a transition. RH shot usually have a harder time switching wing as they are rarer and therefore usually have played their natural side throughout their careers.



Callahan is a fantastic net-front guy on the PP, but he sucks at scoring 5v5. Over the past three seasons he has scored at a worse rate than Brian Boyle and Arron Asham.
yea but he does alot more for this team then just score goals...... you wanna have him on the 3rd , i can see that...but the 4th line is just silly for the capt of this team

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yea but he does alot more for this team then just score goals...... you wanna have him on the 3rd , i can see that...but the 4th line is just silly for the capt of this team
It is a bit silly, and especially if you match a team a team like many NHL teams are matched.

But there is also a mis-perception that even a majority of all NHL teams differs that much in terms of ice time 5 on 5 the first two periods of a NHL game. For some coaches, it is relevant to talk about top 2 lines and bottom 2 lines, but for many its just not relevant to get into that discussions with many others. It can be 1+3. It can be 1/2/3A/3B for the first half of a game then 1/3b/2-3b for the latter half, almost as a norm.

The main diffrence is always the special teams. That is a point I wanted to make. Its impossible to score much without PP time, and up to a third of a players ice time comes from special teams. Then the third period gets broken up in many many games. You protect the lead or go after a lead. In those games 1-4 don't matter, 10 guys play alot more than the other 8 in the 3rd. The exceptions are games where one team got a 3 goal lead or something really.

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It is a bit silly, and especially if you match a team a team like many NHL teams are matched.

But there is also a mis-perception that even a majority of all NHL teams differs that much in terms of ice time 5 on 5 the first two periods of a NHL game. For some coaches, it is relevant to talk about top 2 lines and bottom 2 lines, but for many its just not relevant to get into that discussions with many others. It can be 1+3. It can be 1/2/3A/3B for the first half of a game then 1/3b/2-3b for the latter half, almost as a norm.

The main diffrence is always the special teams. That is a point I wanted to make. Its impossible to score much without PP time, and up to a third of a players ice time comes from special teams. Then the third period gets broken up in many many games. You protect the lead or go after a lead. In those games 1-4 don't matter, 10 guys play alot more than the other 8 in the 3rd. The exceptions are games where one team got a 3 goal lead or something really.
So much this, and a player's effectiveness can differ hugely between 5v5 play and special teams since it is a very different brand of hockey.

For example, only ~10 players usually break 50 points 5v5 in an 82 game season. Nash and Stepan scoring as much as they did last season with our struggling PP was therefore extremely impressive.

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Last year I said I thought the team would take a step back.

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I have been saying this for a while. He is trying TOO hard to do exactly what people are telling him to do because he is unsure. Perfect example of how power forwards take longer to develop.

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