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10-03-2013, 09:49 AM
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Hes 20 freaking years old. You usually ease guys like this into the lineup with experienced offensive players. Not ****ing Talbot and Rinaldo. Couturier should be playing with guys like Read and Hartnell, or a healthy Voracek to get him going. Hes literally had nobody to play with. 4th line again last night. I want to see him and Schenn together. Imagine a line of Schenn Couturier Voracek for a few games next week? It would jump start both Schenn and Coots. Its not like they were past superstars in the NHL, its always an adjustment period. Not many rookies will come into the league and light it up with the dog **** linemates Couturiers been given.
I think people are afraid to admit that Couturier could be a dud.

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wow....
Wow what? You act like hes been given chance after chance, but he hasnt. Its ********.

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Get his **** together? Hes not put in any position to exceed. He plays with ****ing terrible linemates. Talbot was a joke last night, and he gets no power play time. Laviolette is ruining him right before our eyes. He is the best prospect weve had coming out of junior in a long long time and hes just being ****ing ruined. A lot of the things you guys complain abou Lavy is jut redundant ********, but this is the most troubling thing IMO.
I agree that Lavi is terrible at managing developing players. Especially Couts, guy gets the hardest minutes with almost no good opportunities going up the ice. Talbot on his line is a black hole in the offensive zone.

The problem with Lavi as a lot of people pointed out is he won't adjust his game and everyone's figured it out. His time is almost up. I don't understand why he won't change anything other than lines (the last thing that needs changing, guys need to develop chemistry with new positions/players).

But whats up with Voracek? Is he still playing injured, or was that an attempt to get something started on Cout's line? If it was, it didn't work.

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I think people are afraid to admit that Couturier could be a dud.
Yeah, a dud at the age of 20 Any rookie would suck at this position hes been put in. It happens all the time around the NHL. Open your eyes bro.

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I'd wait at least until he's been old enough to drink for a few months.
And then we will boot him off "dry island"

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Wow what? Has Lavy ever put Couturier in any position to be successful in an offensive role?

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Wow what? Has Lavy ever put Couturier in any position to be successful in an offensive role?
Simple/obvious answer that some people dont seem to see, clearly not.

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Wow what? Has Lavy ever put Couturier in any position to be successful in an offensive role?
Why should Couturier have been placed above any of the forwards they have had when he's shown very little offensive capability?

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I think people are afraid to admit that Couturier could be a dud.
Now he's a dud. He's 20 years old dude. Giroux was a rookie in the NHL and spent half the year in the AHL at the same age.

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So you guys want to put Hartnell & Read (Hartnell who has great chemistry with Giroux and Read who looks incredibly in sync with Vinny already) and destroy 3 lines instead of 1?

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I think people are afraid to admit that Couturier could be a dud.
Already calling him a dud? He's only 20 and gets **** minutes, if everyone had their career path set by that point, the league would look a lot different today. I want to see him get some real opportunities with a lineup like:

Hartnell - Giroux - Vinny
Schenn - Couturier - Voracek
Read - Laughton - Simmonds
Talbot - Hall - Rinaldo

Maybe swap Hartnell and Schenn to give the 2nd line some vet presence. But really, give Couturier some chance to succeed before we call him a dud.

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A great example was last night, instead of keep sending guys who clearly were playing like **** last night on the powerplay like Simmonds and Jake, try Couturier out on the half wall where Jake was all PP. Its not like he didnt show any promise there on the half wall off wing powerplay in preseason Pass to Hartnell ring a bell?

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I agree with you guys that Couturier hasn't had very good linemates so far, but has he really shown much to suggest that he would be more successful if he did?

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Why does Couturier need all star wingers to be effective? He can't be effective AT ALL without crazy talent on his wings?

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Wow what? Has Lavy ever put Couturier in any position to be successful in an offensive role?
He got PP time in the preseason and made an incredible pass against Washington to set up Hartnell for a tip in.

Now Meszaros has taken his spot on the 2nd unit.

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Why should Couturier have been placed above any of the forwards they have had when he's shown very little offensive capability?
And why hasn't he shown any offensive capability? It could have something to do with the ridiculous defensive assignments he's given or the fact that he's routinely played with career fourth liners in his 2+ seasons in the NHL. Give your head a shake.

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You know it goes both ways, a player should be talented enough to create his own opportunities without the help of everybody else on the ice, especially if they were drafted so high.

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So you guys want to put Hartnell & Read (Hartnell who has great chemistry with Giroux and Read who looks incredibly in sync with Vinny already) and destroy 3 lines instead of 1?
Its called balancing the lines, it would do more good than bad at this point. Not sure how you can argue against that.

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I am still pissed at this game, but after cooling a bit, Streit was actually better than advertised, hope he can keep it up. I am afraid to watch any post game clips, anyone give a quick summary ?

Harts-G-Jake
Schenn-Vinny-Read
Laughton-Couts-Simmer
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Is what I would like to see Saturday !

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Simple/obvious answer that some people dont seem to see, clearly not.
He's not even getting pp time. They decided to use Mez at the point for some reason

They need to go with 4 forwards on both units, Streit and Kimmo should be the only d-men out there. Forwards should be Hartnell, Simmer, G, Vinny, Jake, Schenn, Couturier and Read.

I said it before and I'll say it again, get rid of Lavi before he ruins Couts. Gives him all the tough minutes which is fine but he also surrounds him with garbage.

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Ok, you guys win. Couturier would be top 10 in scoring if he JUST HAD SOME LINEMATES!!!

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He got PP time in the preseason and made an incredible pass against Washington to set up Hartnell for a tip in.

Now Meszaros has taken his spot on the 2nd unit.
Exactly. Let's not forget his rookie year where he spent time as the team's number one center and didn't at all look out of place. The guy has offensive talent. He just has a coach hellbent on destroying his progression.

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Why does Couturier need all star wingers to be effective? He can't be effective AT ALL without crazy talent on his wings?
Lol you are so ignorant. He starts all his shifts in the defensive zone against the other teams top players and with **** linemates.

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Its called balancing the lines, it would do more good than bad at this point. Not sure how you can argue against that.
So line 1 was good, Line 2 was good, Line 3 sucked, Line 4 was actually ok.

Lets screw up the 2 good lines just to satisfy one player and potentially wreck the entire offense.

Nice idea.

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Lol you are so ignorant. He starts all his shifts in the defensive zone against the other teams top players and with **** linemates.
Yup, every single shift he starts in the defensive zone and has **** lines mates. 100% of the time.

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