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10-03-2013, 09:58 AM
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Oilers say hell no. If we're trading Yak and Klefbom I'd want Duchene or something coming back.

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10-03-2013, 10:05 AM
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As far as I understand Klefbom is ready to play. It's just Edmonton has NHL defensemen in plenty this year.
doesnt exactly make him a big contributor at the nhl level right away. needs sheltered minutes, may not adapt well etc etc.

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10-03-2013, 10:18 AM
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Oilers say hell no. If we're trading Yak and Klefbom I'd want Duchene or something coming back.
Not sure they'd say this. Yakupov and Klefbom are still prospects, and Edmonton wants to win right now. When Colorado, as I understand, is ready to wait for year or two.

Getting Varlamov and ROR would have an immediate positive impact on Oilers chances to get into play-offs.

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10-03-2013, 10:23 AM
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Not sure they'd say this. Yakupov and Klefbom are still prospects, and Edmonton wants to win right now. When Colorado, as I understand, is ready to wait for year or two.

Getting Varlamov and ROR would have an immediate positive impact on Oilers chances to get into play-offs.
Based on what exactly? Avs are in the same spot as Oilers. They have a market that's sick of missing the playoffs and a team want to take the next step now.

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10-03-2013, 10:32 AM
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I wouldn't trade O'Reilly alone for all three.
Makes yourself look bad saying that

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10-03-2013, 10:42 AM
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Are you ****ing joking?
Not at all. Klefbom has done nothing, no guarantees he will do anything. I wouldn't be shocked if O'Reilly is equal to Yakupov offensively in everything but Yak's peak couple seasons, he'll be ten times the leader, and a selke winner. and Dubnyk helps nothing.

Certainly adding Varlamov to this proposal is ridiculous. As Dubnyk is a downgrade there as well.

Oh, and let's not forget, we'll be giving up one of the best defensive forwards in the league, to get a defensively weak forward and a potential slight upgrade on defense down the road. Doesn't help the Avalanche defense in the end.

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10-03-2013, 10:52 AM
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Oilers say hell no. If we're trading Yak and Klefbom I'd want Duchene or something coming back.
You realize that O'Reilly might actually be the better player right? He controlled the game last night. He's the kind of guy that wins you Cups.

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10-03-2013, 10:56 AM
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Based on what exactly? Avs are in the same spot as Oilers. They have a market that's sick of missing the playoffs and a team want to take the next step now.
Hm, and why haven't they gotten a better defense then? I'm afraid with a present blue line their chance to get into post-season is very slim. Magic of Varlamov won't last too long.

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10-03-2013, 10:58 AM
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As for the proposal, Varlamov is more of the non-starter for me than ROR. The Avs were sloppy to start the game, and without Varly making some big saves, easily could have given up a couple early goals. Giggy doesn't make those saves, and I doubt Dubnyk does either. And, if the refs had called Lovejoy for tripping on the knee to knee (not intentional, but still dangerous), Varly would have shut out the 2nd best team in the West from last year.

Then look at ROR's goal and you see why Avs fans are excited about him being moved to LW. Having him able to forecheck without worrying about getting down low on D is going to cause some major frustration for opposing D.


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Am I missing something here? Did the OP get edited, or are multiple Avs fans actually saying that they wouldn't take this deal?

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10-03-2013, 11:01 AM
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You realize that O'Reilly might actually be the better player right? He controlled the game last night. He's the kind of guy that wins you Cups.
Well, ROR is a natural top6 center who will never be a top6 center in Colorado. And Yakupov will be a better 1st line winger than him.

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10-03-2013, 11:03 AM
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Swapping Dubnyk and Varlamov is as lateral a move as there is.

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10-03-2013, 11:06 AM
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Swapping Dubnyk and Varlamov is as lateral a move as there is.
I bet even Oilers fans won't agree with this.

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Swapping Dubnyk and Varlamov is as lateral a move as there is.
Pretty much. So Yakupov and Klefbom for O'Reilly. LOL.

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10-03-2013, 11:08 AM
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So ROR is worth more than Yakupov, Klefbom and Dubnyk?

Sheesh, anyone have any comparable trade where a recent 1st overall who lead his team in goals in his rookie season, a highly touted blue chip defender and a middle of the pack starting goalie got traded?

I bet if a package like that has ever gone out, a lot more than a ROR came the other way.

It's crazy how much people over value players. Like Cory Schneider got traded for a 9th overall pick and he's a top 10 goalie in the league.

People need to understand, real life doesn't work like NHL 14.

I would bet money that if Roy offered ROR straight up for Yakupov, any GM would say no. Yakupov just holds more value than ROR, it's simple as that sophomore 1st overall picks are worth ALOT. Guys that might turn into Selke caliber forwards aren't, maybe once he's in the discussion (nominated) for a Selke. We can start talking equivalent value with a sophomore 1st overall pick.

Also, I highly doubt Yakupov's peak is a 30-30 season. People said things like that about a recent first overall pick in Stamkos after his rookie season too.


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10-03-2013, 11:12 AM
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Hm, and why haven't they gotten a better defense then? I'm afraid with a present blue line their chance to get into post-season is very slim. Magic of Varlamov won't last too long.
So you're theory is because Avs haven't improved on defense as much as you like, they wish to be a farm team for Oilers and help them get over the hump and hold off improving for a couple of years?

Perhaps a bad idea to want to trade for a goalie with expiring magic too.

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10-03-2013, 11:15 AM
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I bet even Oilers fans won't agree with this.
Well the stats agree...

Dubnyk Last 3 NHL Seasons
12/13 - GAA - 2.57 SP - 0.921
11/12 - GAA - 2.67 SP - 0.914
10/11 - GAA - 2.71 SP - 0.916

Varly Last 3 Seasons
12/13 - GAA - 3.02 SP - 0.903
11/12 - GAA - 2.59 SP - 0.913
10/11 - GAA - 2.23 SP - 0.924

Those are pretty even stats, hence, lateral move.

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10-03-2013, 11:16 AM
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Well the stats agree...

Dubnyk Last 3 NHL Seasons
12/13 - GAA - 2.57 SP - 0.921
11/12 - GAA - 2.67 SP - 0.914
10/11 - GAA - 2.71 SP - 0.916

Varly Last 3 Seasons
12/13 - GAA - 3.02 SP - 0.903
11/12 - GAA - 2.59 SP - 0.913
10/11 - GAA - 2.23 SP - 0.924

Those are pretty even stats, hence, lateral move.
If only there was a way to observe these players...

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If only there was a way to observe these players...
Are you a goalie scout?

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10-03-2013, 11:18 AM
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Are you a goalie scout?
Is djdub a statistician?

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10-03-2013, 11:19 AM
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I bet even Oilers fans won't agree with this.
Oiler fans question Dubnyk's abilities as a legitimate no.1 goaltender, but Varlamov has just as many question marks and concerns.

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Yakupov >> O'Reilly
Dubnyk > Varlamov

And we give Klefbom too? Possibly one of the worst proposals I've ever seen, well done.

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Is djdub a statistician?
So we need a degree in mathematics to be able to read and understand a stat line? Hmmm....

I think your pulling at straws here bud.

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