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10-03-2013, 01:00 PM
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Clearly the people who have seen way more of Urbom than you think Harrold is better.
Harrold is only here thanks to the one-way contract, don't kid yourself.

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10-03-2013, 01:01 PM
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That's a bit disingenuous reasoning. Of course most teams will pass on a player once the season started. They are set when it comes to players/contracts and can't afford to audition a 6th/7th d-man.

Urbom got claimed and at least 9/10 players on waivers aren't. This doesn't mean Urbom is worth a lot. But there is enough there for another NHL team to give him a shot.
What? This has very little to do with what I posted.

People are questioning the decision to waive Urbom and keep Harrold.
I pointed out that 18 other teams made a similar decision.
Like you said, teams INCLUDING the Devils couldn't afford to audition a 6th/7th d-man.. and because the Devils had to open up a roster spot for Elias, they had to waive him.

It's not like the Devils wanted to get rid of the guy.. they had to exercise the same reasoning in waiving him as the teams who didn't put in a waiver claim.

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10-03-2013, 01:01 PM
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I wasn't sold on Urbom.. On the one hand he's huge and showed some potential.. On the other hand, I saw him in a few NHL games as well as some AHL games and he played very timid (especially in the NHL).. If the Caps can get him to play with more confidence this could be huge.. Really no risk for them so a smart pickup

Harrold is good to have because he can play forward in the event of an injury.. Maybe Gio should have been waived but they seem to like him a lot

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10-03-2013, 01:03 PM
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Teams typically don't end up regretting losing a 7th defenseman. If I see one more Penguins fan bemoan the loss of Brian Strait, a guy who would now be about 9th on the Penguins depth chart and never given a chance because of his low upside (and got straight-up abused by the Penguins in the playoffs) I'm going to scream...very similar situation here...but it still doesn't make sense to expose him to waivers and keep Harrold, who really is nothing more than a pedestrian #7 with no upside.

The bigger issue was giving Harrold a two-year one-way deal, though.
He might have been 7th now but in a few years it's likely he would have been a pretty decent #4 which Harrold never would have which is what I think he means.

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10-03-2013, 01:06 PM
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For those of you saying Harrold is better than Urbom, you haven't seen at least one of them in action much.

Harrold is at best a #7 D, and more like a good AHL D.

Urbom has the upside to become a very good #5 D. He is 6'5. He can be physical. He plays the angles VERY well. He is very smart with his stick and positioning. He cancels out plays very well. There is a reason the Devils fans would call him U-bomb and talk about how he "disarms bombs" and all that. I've seen him in many AHL games and he does have excellent upside to become a great shutdown D in the NHL.

Harrold has zero upside and is at best a #7.

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10-03-2013, 01:08 PM
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Whenever I see this I keep on thinking his last name is Urmom and get utterly offended.

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Pleased with this. Wanted Urbom in Washington for a long time, and called for him to be picked up yesterday. With the staff's refusal to give Orlov a chance, this move makes complete sense. Enables a lot more flexibility on the 3rd pairing. While the Caps are certainly loaded with defensive prospects of similar age, readiness, and upside to Urbom, it never hurts to get deeper (especially if they believe Urbom is ahead of guys like Orlov, Schilling, and Schmidt).

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10-03-2013, 01:12 PM
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Curious, Urbom can't be sent down if the caps what to keep him, if they do send him down he would have to clear again? I hope the kid does well.

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10-03-2013, 01:14 PM
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I assume this will likely result in Washington sending Connor Carrick to the AHL or back to juniors.
I was wrong, Washington re-assigned Michael Latta to the AHL to make room for Urbom.

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Curious what people want the Devils to do...they had to waive someone, and Josefson probably would have been claimed as well.
You would think there would have been a deal out there at some point in the summer where the Devils could have moved Urbom (from a position where they have an abundance of prospects: Gelinas, Severson, Merrill, etc) somewhere for a prospect forward, well in advance of waiving him. It almost felt like the Devils got surprised this year when the roster cut-off was coming up and had to quickly stash players on IR to get under the limit.

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Another ****ing person in the way of Orlov.
From what I saw of Orlov in the preseason...there might be a few people in the way of Orlov. Guy did not look good whatsoever.

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10-03-2013, 01:15 PM
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Curious, Urbom can't be sent down if the caps what to keep him, if they do send him down he would have to clear again? I hope the kid does well.
Capitals will have to waive him to send him down.

Devils are the only team who can send him down without waiving *if* they are the only team to make a claim.

So if the Caps waive him, the Devils can basically force another team to keep him in the NHL by putting in a claim. The only AHL team he would play for this year is Albany.

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10-03-2013, 01:15 PM
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Claiming Urbom tells me one thing: what more does Dmitry Orlov have to do to get an NHL chance?

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Capitals will have to waive him to send him down.

Devils are the only team who can send him down without waiving *if* they are the only team to make a claim.

So if the Caps waive him, the Devils can basically force another team to keep him in the NHL by putting in a claim. The only AHL team he would play for this year is Albany.
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Peter Harrold is awful. Guy has no awareness and has no clue what to do when the puck isn't on his stick.

I'm not going to lose sleep over this but it pisses me off that we have no-talent dusters like Harrold and Volchenkov in the lineup while Mark Fayne is sitting in the press box and Alex Urbom is on waivers. ****ing stupid.

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Peter Harrold is awful. Guy has no awareness and has no clue what to do when the puck isn't on his stick.

I'm not going to lose sleep over this but it pisses me off that we have no-talent dusters like Harrold and Volchenkov in the lineup while Mark Fayne is sitting in the press box and Alex Urbom is on waivers. ****ing stupid.
Harrold is likely the #7. The good news is that at least their six defensemen are set and Larsson finally has a place.

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Claiming Urbom tells me one thing: what more does Dmitry Orlov have to do to get an NHL chance?
Become more comfortable on the left side of the ice. During his previous NHL stint, where he looked very promising, he was playing on the right side. Problem is that Adam Oates has a very strong preference for players to play on their natural side, and Orlov is a left shot. Unless Oates is willing to bend his policy or Orlov takes the next step as a left defenseman, he's going to continue to be buried in Hershey. Especially with guys like Nate Schmidt, Tyson Strachan, Connor Carrick, and Tomas Kundratek also fighting for playing time in the NHL.

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Harrold is only here thanks to the one-way contract, don't kid yourself.
Urbom might become better than Harrold in the future, but he isn't.

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Losing a fourth-year pro with almost no NHL experience that couldn't crack your top 7 D?

Devlis fans, why get worked up about that? I know the natural inclination of sports fans is to horde every player and believe that every draft pick your team makes is eternally awesome, but really, not everyone makes the NHL. Sometimes you gotta pare the tree.

There will be plenty more stay-at-home marginal #8 D-men in your future - I promise.

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Claiming Urbom tells me one thing: what more does Dmitry Orlov have to do to get an NHL chance?
Play well when given the chance. Why would they just hand him the spot when he had a bad last year because of injuries and this year when he was given the chance in the training camp he was by far the worst d-man.

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Play well when given the chance. Why would they just hand him the spot when he had a bad last year because of injuries and this year when he was given the chance in the training camp he was by far the worst d-man.


I know he didn't have a terrific camp, but "by far the worst d-man" is an incredible hyperbole. He was decidedly better than guys like Bowey and Wey, let alone the guys who couldn't even make it into a pre-season game (Genoway, Flemming, Haar, Rissling, Lewington, etc.). Personally, I also think he looked better than Cajkovsky and Oleksy in pre-season action. Just because he was outplayed by Carrick, Schmidt, and Strachan doesn't mean he was the worst in camp.

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Claiming Urbom tells me one thing: what more does Dmitry Orlov have to do to get an NHL chance?
Stay healthy and stop regressing as a player. He looked flat out bad in the pre-season.

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I know he didn't have a terrific camp, but "by far the worst d-man" is an incredible hyperbole. He was decidedly better than guys like Bowey and Wey, let alone the guys who couldn't even make it into a pre-season game (Genoway, Flemming, Haar, Rissling, Lewington, etc.). Personally, I also think he looked better than Cajkovsky and Oleksy in pre-season action. Just because he was outplayed by Carrick, Schmidt, and Strachan doesn't mean he was the worst in camp.
He definitely wasn't the worst d-man in camp, but he didn't seem to get better in any phase of the game. It sucks because he has awesome potential, just needs to put it all together.

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Harrold is likely the #7. The good news is that at least their six defensemen are set and Larsson finally has a place.
And yet, Mark Fayne is a healthy scratch in the season opener while Harrold is starting.

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It would have been nice to have the roster space to claim him (we have a few journeymen D on the roster already that wouldn't be a big loss) but at the same time, he really hasn't progressed as hoped. I don't think Lou would have waived him over Harrold if he believed he was going to become anything more than a 6/7.

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