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10-03-2013, 10:02 AM
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Seeing how they picked yakupov over galchenyuk, it'll be galchenyuk ++
You TRULY believe that? If Edmonton came to us and offered Yakupov straight up for Galchenyuk, it'd be a no. Who gives a **** if they picked Yakupov first? Do you think that the Blues would have taken Johnson over Toews or Backstrom in retrospect? I doubt it. You can't say the situation is different because he's a d-man. It's about the fact that players change, especially when it's been well over a year since the draft. In retrospect, Trouba sure as hell wouldn't be going 9th overall like he did.

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Uhhhhh, no?

Habs wouldn't trade their top-2 centers along with our next two first round picks for a guy that MIGHT end up scoring 40 goals. This doesn't make sense and isn't fair value for MTL.

Plekanec + Collberg/Lehkonen/2014 1st + McCarron/De La Rose/R.Bourque

for

Yakupov

....would be about as far as I'd go as a Hab. We can't entirely gut the team now AND in the future for one player.
If Yakupov were a RFA, it would be a good deal to sign him and pay five 1st rounders. How is this deal different ? I love Eller and Pleks and the two 1st, but Yakupov is elite.

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10-03-2013, 10:28 AM
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I was thinking something like Zibanejad, Lazar and dman prospect or Smith. That would be about equal to what Ryan got. Ottawa would be set and so would EDM. Then EDM can also trade Gagner which I am sure would bring in a good young dman. Maybe a deal with PHX as they are pretty loaded with dmen. Then move N.Schultz for a 2nd.

I know Ottawa gets the better player but it gives us some better size in our top 9 and still plenty of scoring.

Hall; RNH; Hemsky
Perron; Zibanejad; Eberle
Joensuu; Gordon; Smith
Gradzek; Acton; Brown

I would be happy with a front 12 of that. Very balance with size and skill in the top 9.

This is why I was talking about moving Yak; do I think he is a great player yes, but would it make our team better now and in the future yes. Give Lazar 2 more years to develop then move him into the 3rd line centreman position.

Having RNH; Zibenajak; and Lazar for the next 10 years for centreman is a very good thing for this team.

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Eberle goes before Yakupov.
This ^, and before Ebs Hemsky goes buh-bye.

We understand Yak is going nowhere.
That said, as courtesy answer to OP, Rangers would do

Stepan + MDZ + Girardi + Boyle
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Yakupov + J. Schultz

Step = legit 1c (not elite top 10, but legit 1c) w/vision as good as RNH (RNH a little better shot)
MDZ = lefty block Howson covets
Girardi = D first D, minutes eater together this is a matching L-D first pair
Boyle = bottom pair C/LW, good on faceoffs, D, shows up for playoffs

Yakupov = bonafide lefty sniper at LW where Rangers are thin
J Schultz = top pair righty w/offense NY needs, great combo w/McDonagh

On paper seems win-win, allows NY to redeploy logjams at C and LD, gives Oil more than OP asked for.

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This ^, and before Ebs Hemsky goes buh-bye.

We understand Yak is going nowhere.
That said, as courtesy answer to OP, Rangers would do

Stepan + MDZ + Girardi + Boyle
for
Yakupov + J. Schultz

Step = legit 1c (not elite top 10, but legit 1c) w/vision as good as RNH (RNH a little better shot)
MDZ = lefty block Howson covets
Girardi = D first D, minutes eater together this is a matching L-D first pair
Boyle = bottom pair C/LW, good on faceoffs, D, shows up for playoffs

Yakupov = bonafide lefty sniper at LW where Rangers are thin
J Schultz = top pair righty w/offense NY needs, great combo w/McDonagh

On paper seems win-win, allows NY to redeploy logjams at C and LD, gives Oil more than OP asked for.
I kinda like it.

I'm really high on McIlrath, would you swap him and Girardi?

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Meh maybe, but honestly I don't see much of an improvement to our centers.


Now we're talking, that might be the best deal proposed so far.
Wow, Edmonton would actually think Ziba + Cowen for Yakupov is good?

I'm surprised at that.

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If Yakupov were a RFA, it would be a good deal to sign him and pay five 1st rounders. How is this deal different ? I love Eller and Pleks and the two 1st, but Yakupov is elite.
Yakupov isn't an entire team!

You could trade Plekanec or Eller or the first round picks INDIVIDUALLY for a good scoring winger or top-3 defenceman. Is Yakupov worth that? Not even close! Is he worth 5 first round picks? Not even close! I seriously can't see him getting an offer sheet like that. Would that type of trade make us better now or in the future? I don't think so.

It's fine to like a player and want him on your team but seriously, this is a team game and there's no sense in spending all of your present and future assets to acquire one player that MIGHT end up being a special player.

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lol at Yakupov having higher value than J Staal

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lol at Yakupov having higher value than J Staal
Really isn't that far-fetched..

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lol at Yakupov having higher value than J Staal
Yea I take Yak every day over J. Staal. Eric on the other hand...

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lol at Yakupov having higher value than J Staal
Career 2nd/3rd liner > future 40 goal scorer? Ok.

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As I recall Ladd can play center fairly well, although I might be remembering wrong.

Anyways, sounds like you want Little. Good 2C with 1C potential, especially on a team like EDM. He plays defense very well and plays bigger than he is.

Little + 1st 2014 + Trouba is maybe something I could get behind around the trade deadline next year.

Of course, that probably wouldn't happen for a variety of reasons, but it would make your team better. Might even make our team better.

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Yakupov isn't an entire team!

You could trade Plekanec or Eller or the first round picks INDIVIDUALLY for a good scoring winger or top-3 defenceman. Is Yakupov worth that? Not even close! Is he worth 5 first round picks? Not even close! I seriously can't see him getting an offer sheet like that. Would that type of trade make us better now or in the future? I don't think so.

It's fine to like a player and want him on your team but seriously, this is a team game and there's no sense in spending all of your present and future assets to acquire one player that MIGHT end up being a special player.
I beg to differ. Yakupov was 2012's 1st overall pick. He is a scoring machine. I'm pretty sure many teams would dish out five 1st for him.

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Any Oil fan who considers trading Yakupov is just... *sigh*

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lol at Yakupov having higher value than J Staal
uhhh... really?

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Any Oil fan who considers trading Yakupov is just... *sigh*
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I see no convincing reason to trade the most dynamic and exciting player on the Oilers. He's a character. A very skilled, hard working, driven, get-under-your-skin-because-he-loves-the-game, character. It'd be a shame to lose him, regardless of the return.

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Career 2nd/3rd liner > future 40 goal scorer? Ok.
You finally got that time machine working, eh?

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Career 2nd/3rd liner > future 40 goal scorer? Ok.
Jordan is a proven consistent 50 point guy, and is one of the best shut down centers in the NHL. He's still just 24 and has room to grow offensively as well. Yakupov on the other hand, where's the guarantee that he's a 40 goal scorer? The guy put up 31 points in 48 games, and the only aspect of his game is to put up points. He was nowhere near the best rookie last year, and while he does have good potential, what points to him being a 40 goal guy? Last full season, only 4 players scored 40 goals, but I mean obviously Yakupov is a 40 goal scorer, right?

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Eberle goes before Yakupov.
Won't ever happen, trade Eberle = Hall pout.

Those 2 will play together forever IMO. They are best buds on and off the ice.

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lol a 2nd line center is going to get you nowhere close to Yakupov. Think ovechkin prime value

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Won't ever happen, trade Eberle = Hall pout.

Those 2 will play together forever IMO. They are best buds on and off the ice.
Doesn't really mean that much. Buffalo traded Pominville in spite of him and Vanek being BFFs. Same with Gaustad and Miller. IF there comes a time when trading Eberle is something the Oilers have need or want to do, they'll do it. Because this is HF, I'll state the obvious and say I don't see any incentive for them to move him now, but I think it'd be foolish to assume any player's friendship would stop management from making whatever moves they think are best for their club.

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