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10-02-2013, 09:38 AM
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Yep, see my second post above. I'm trying to establish what other teams would pay for Gibson as I realize the Ducks would not be looking to move him.
Why bother then, there is no point other than wasting the sites bandwidth

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10-02-2013, 09:48 AM
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How many NHL games does he have ?

Great goalie prospect, no doubt, but come on...
That's why he's worth a pick.. lol

If he was to fetch an NHLer it would be a Martin Erat type player.

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10-02-2013, 10:55 AM
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I think he's going to be a good 1 for a long time in the NHL but until he plays a NHL game I doubt you'll see any team offering anything of significance for him.

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10-02-2013, 11:14 AM
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you don't trade you top goalie prospects unless someone like Andrew Raycroft is coming the other way
CHI says hi, then remembers trading Hasek and cries.

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10-02-2013, 01:08 PM
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Mid to late first or a solid player like when Forsberg got traded for Erat
I agree.

Which makes the Schneider seem that much better for NJ imo when the difference between Gibson, a stellar prospect, and Schneider, a stellar young NHL goaltender, is the difference between a late top-10 pick and a mid-late 1st rounder.

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10-02-2013, 02:47 PM
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That's why he's worth a pick.. lol

If he was to fetch an NHLer it would be a Martin Erat type player.
His value is equivalent to that of a top forward prospect at least.

Would you trade a Ryan Strome or Sven Bartschi for Martin Erat?

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10-02-2013, 05:59 PM
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CHI says hi, then remembers trading Hasek and cries.
I think you're forgetting the other half of that trivia. The part where he was the backup to a Hall of Fame goaltender.

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10-02-2013, 07:36 PM
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What are Anaheim's needs?
If we were to trade Gibson, one of our needs would be a solid goalie prospect.

So yeah...

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10-02-2013, 08:22 PM
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Anaheim won't trade Gibson unless the return is obscene. There's your answer. The value is quite literally not something you want to know about.

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10-02-2013, 09:11 PM
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His value is equivalent to that of a top forward prospect at least.

Would you trade a Ryan Strome or Sven Bartschi for Martin Erat?
Never. But the Erat comparison is bad. The caps got shafted in that trade and gave up on Forsberg way too soon.

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10-02-2013, 09:52 PM
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His value is equivalent to that of a top forward prospect at least.

Would you trade a Ryan Strome or Sven Bartschi for Martin Erat?
Forwards hold more value and there's no debating it. Especially those two.. they are top 10 prospects in the entire league at this point. GIbson would be a tier below them and a position of less value in a trade. That said, he is worth a considerable amount for a prospect regardless.

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Never. But the Erat comparison is bad. The caps got shafted in that trade and gave up on Forsberg way too soon.
And NiNo got traded for a 3rd liner...

People on HF overvalue prospects. When has a top prospect ever gotten traded for something people on here deemed fair? lol

Schneider lands 9th Overall
Clutterbuck Landed a former 5th overall
Erat laded a former 11th overall

If a top prospect or pick is traded, it's usually to sweeten the pot. Like Schenn going to Philly... with Simmonds.

I'm not saying they should trade Gibson. I'm saying if they put him on the market and called all 29 other teams and said "Gibson for the best roster player we are offered", you'd get a 1st round pick or a 2nd line talent. His potential alone is better than that, so why trade him?

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10-03-2013, 09:26 AM
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With the goal tending situation in Pittsburgh and their depth on D, Would this appeal to Anaheim?

To Pitt:
Gibson
Stortini
5th 2014

To ANA:
Despres
Hartzell
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10-03-2013, 10:11 AM
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it would take an overpay, Anaheim is in no position to trade him with Hiller and Fasth both becoming UFA's next year. Gibson may take over the net as early as next season
Only Hiller is a UFA this coming summer. Fasth is signed for another year.

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10-03-2013, 02:21 PM
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With the goal tending situation in Pittsburgh and their depth on D, Would this appeal to Anaheim?

To Pitt:
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5th 2014

To ANA:
Despres
Hartzell
Glass
No interest at all. We have Hiller's replacement in Norfolk now with Frederick Andersen if we decided to move Gibson so there's no interest in Hartzell. Tanner Glass is pretty meh.

Despres is a really nice piece, but we really don't need another young dman when we have Fowler, Sbisa, Vatanen and Lindholm playing at the NHL level or ready for NHL duty.

If we moved Gibson for anything short of a massive overpayment it would be part of a package for a Top 2 dman. In other words, we will likely keep Gibson as our goalie of the future.

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to Oilers:
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Rakell
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to Ducks:
Eberle

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10-03-2013, 02:45 PM
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That's intriguing, but I have serious doubts the Oilers would do this.

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10-03-2013, 02:46 PM
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What would he get in a trade?

Less than Schneider, maybe a bit more than Bernier but realistically right around what Bernier got.

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to Ducks:
Eberle
I can't say this is terrible or anything like that, but I wouldn't do it. The Ducks plan to build around Getzlaf/Perry and young potential stars such as the two you're asking for. I don't think such a trade fits in with the direction of this team, especially with young talented wingers like Etem, Palmieri, Silfverberg all looking like future top six contributors along with Perry.

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10-03-2013, 02:56 PM
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That's intriguing, but I have serious doubts the Oilers would do this.
Personally I don't even think that's intriguing. I actually think Gibson has looked like he's going to be a very good goalie. BUT

Because of the nature of the position goalies who look amazing at 20 don't always turn out that way. With the development process of goalies and the time it generally takes for them to get settled. Even someone like Lehtonen looked like he would be great but it took years and his second organization for him to finally cement himself as a legitimate NHLer.

So for the Oilers they could trade Eberle for a goalie that could be great in 3 to 5 years. On the other hand which Oilers team is better the one that trades Eberle for a goalie prospect who may help the team in a few years. Or the Oilers team that keeps Eberle and convinces someone like Ryan Miller that he's one of the last pieces of the rebuild.

The goaltending market is just too saturated these days, goalie prospects are too volatile and I have no idea why Ducks fans think John Gibson gets a better return than Corey Schneider or even Jonathan Bernier.

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10-03-2013, 02:57 PM
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The Ducks shouldn't trade him for anything. He will win a Vezina. If we didn't just trade for Bernier, and if Bernier continues to play at the level he did last night, then I would have wanted the Leafs to go after him hard. Kid is just elite in every frickin area.

I've been hyping him since he first joined the Kitchener Rangers. Best goalie I've seen in my life come out of the OHL.

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Lets not be too hasty.

Goalie prospects are a tough pick and a very risky pick. That said, if gibson has a very good season, his value is a top 10 pick.

As it stands right now, i think youd have to dangle something the ducks badly need. I.e. a top pairing, physical dman in his 20's locked up for a few years... then throw in sbisa and a pick to maybe balance.
Say Lundqvist walked for some reason and the Rangers desperately needed a goaltender. What about an extended Dan Girardi?

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to Oilers:
Gibson
Rakell
2014 2nd

to Ducks:
Eberle
Oilers say no. and counter with

to Oilers:
Perry
Gibson
2014 1st

to Ducks:
Eberle
Perron

And ducks say no to that!

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Lets not be too hasty.

Goalie prospects are a tough pick and a very risky pick. That said, if gibson has a very good season, his value is a top 10 pick.

As it stands right now, i think youd have to dangle something the ducks badly need. I.e. a top pairing, physical dman in his 20's locked up for a few years... then throw in sbisa and a pick to maybe balance.
There is a very wide gap in value between Gibson and a top pairing 20's age defenceman on a good contract. Would you want Seabrook? Subban? Phaneuf? Suter? Those are the types of players you are talking about.

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There is a very wide gap in value between Gibson and a top pairing 20's age defenceman on a good contract. Would you want Seabrook? Subban? Phaneuf? Suter? Those are the types of players you are talking about.
I believe the posters was probably referring more to a solid #2 dman than a legit #1 dman though I could be wrong.

There is also a very wide gap between the defenders you listed when comparing a Suter/Subban and Phaneuf.

I was thinking maybe something more along the lines of someone like Roman Josi.

As a Rangers fan I'd consider Staal for Sbisa and Gibson. It feels a huge need for the Rangers as Lundqvist will not be around forever. However, it probably isn't the right time to make the deal as Rangers are in win now mode.

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you don't trade you top goalie prospects unless someone like Andrew Raycroft is coming the other way
Yep, perfect illustration of why these trades just do not - and should not - happen often.

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