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10-06-2013, 10:58 PM
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Yeah, who's gonna watch an 11:35 Sunday night game? Great idea
It's on late because the A's playoff game. Apparently it takes that long to configure a football field from a baseball one. That's why it was pushed back.

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10-06-2013, 10:59 PM
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It's not just Eli's SB wins either. Going in to places like Green Bay and SF and winning is just something the Tony Romos of the world don't do.

That span of @GB, @SF & beating the Pats was an incredible string of victories.

But yeah, Romo is a really good fantasy qb option with his garbage time points.

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Yup, Eli Manning won those Super Bowls all by himself. He lined up at MLB and DE and shut down one of the best offenses in NFL history in SB 42. Not Strahan or Osi or Antonio Pierce. It was all Eli.

Do people realize there is a 2nd aspect to football called DEFENSE?
For years Eli Manning had excellent offensive and defensive lines and his production was just slightly better than average (sometimes below). His "greatness" is overrated due to a small sample size of playoff games. Joe Flacco's run last year was as good as anything Eli did and I don't think many Giants fans would consider Flacco an elite quarterback. In fact, Mark Sanchez is a very succesful playoff quarterback and he stinks.

Here's another cool stat - Romo led the league in fourth quarter comebacks last season.

For whatever reason, Eli can throw the game away in the 2nd quarter but if Romo throws one interception in the fourth he's a loser.

What was Eli's excuse when he chucked up a ball into double coverage at the end of the second quarter in the Denver game? That cost them 3 points.

For such a clutch qb, Eli loses quite a bit of important games and makes as many boneheaded decisions as any qb in the league. They could have won today for example.

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Romo is a much better player.
That's silly. Romo has never come up big when he's needed to, while E. Manning has made some ridiculous plays in the clutch.

A player can have a bad year. The team is having a bad year. If the Giants had a good running back, I think they'd look a lot better, and it would help Eli's turnovers decrease dramatically. Should still take Clowney in the draft.

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10-07-2013, 12:46 AM
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That's silly. Romo has never come up big when he's needed to, while E. Manning has made some ridiculous plays in the clutch.

A player can have a bad year. The team is having a bad year. If the Giants had a good running back, I think they'd look a lot better, and it would help Eli's turnovers decrease dramatically. Should still take Clowney in the draft.
With the exception of this season and Eli's rookie season, he's had terrific offensive lines. That's why he can hang back in the pocket and throw down the field at such a high rate. Romo is a magician at reading his line and avoiding pressure. It's amazing to watch. Eli would have had some really rough years playing behind those lines.

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With the exception of this season and Eli's rookie season, he's had terrific offensive lines. That's why he can hang back in the pocket and throw down the field at such a high rate. Romo is a magician at reading his line and avoiding pressure. It's amazing to watch. Eli would have had some really rough years playing behind those lines.
He still needs to make the throw, and he does.

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He still needs to make the throw, and he does.
He's made a couple of key clutch throws but that doesn't define your career. He wasn't the one flushing the likes of Brady and Rodgers out of the pocket consistently. When the Giants oline doesn't play well he looks like crap and when the Giants dline doesn't pressure the qb they don't win football games.

I love how the Giants dline held arguably the greatest offensive team of all time to 14 points and somehow Eli walked away with all the glory despite leading his offense to only 17 points.

He scored 21 the second time and that was against one of the worst defenses to ever play in a Super Bowl.

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He's made a couple of key clutch throws but that doesn't define your career. He wasn't the one flushing the likes of Brady and Rodgers out of the pocket consistently. When the Giants oline doesn't play well he looks like crap and when the Giants dline doesn't pressure the qb they don't win football games.

I love how the Giants dline held arguably the greatest offensive team of all time to 14 points and somehow Eli walked away with all the glory despite leading his offense to only 17 points.

He scored 21 the second time and that was against one of the worst defenses to ever play in a Super Bowl.

Lol. That 2007 Giants d was 17th in the league. 2011 25th in the league in pts against. They pressured everyone? Go look up the stats, here, i'll help ya.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/nyg/2007.htm

Sort the sacks column, Mrs. Romo, and let me know how incredible that Giants D was.

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10-07-2013, 01:19 AM
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Lol. That 2007 Giants d was 17th in the league. 2011 25th in the league in pts against. They pressured everyone? Go look up the stats, here, i'll help ya.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/nyg/2007.htm

Sort the sacks column, Mrs. Romo, and let me know how incredible that Giants D was.
They led the entire football league in sacks. Tuck, Osi, and Strahan combined for 32 sacks.

Tom Brady laughed in an interview when Strahan predicted the Pats to only score 17 points. Thad defense held one of the greatest offenses of all time to 14 points.

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romo is kinda like marino in that he'll put up great stats but probably won't win a ring. dallas's defense is just garbage.

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10-07-2013, 03:33 AM
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I have Rivers in Fantasy.

Great stats. 2 tds, 400 yds....3picks.

He lost the game, put up great fantasy stats but lost the game, but who cares?

Such a Romo. God bless him.

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When the Giants won,they led the NFL in sacks. One of those guys is in Atlanta. Age and injuries to the other guys. Its pro sports. They need to rebuild or retool. None of these teams ever use the term "rebuild". I am not a Giant fan but they need another running back and a new offensive line. Another tight end. They need help at linebacker. Reese hasn't been able to figure out the linebackers. Paul Schwartz of the Post wrote about it a few days ago. The Giants used to be linebacker U with LT,Carson,Banks,Reasons and Pepper Johnson. I remember my older cousins being huge Brad Van Pelt fans. The Giants secondary needs an overhaul. Is 67 year old Tom Coughlin the guy to coach a rebuilding team? Its hard to find those pieces in free agency.

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Jets are +10. I think this is a 3-4 point game either way. If Geno protects the football, there's no reason we can't win the game. The Falcons O-line is porous, and our d-line should be able to get pressure on Ryan before he can throw the deep balls. Steven Jackson is still out. Of course, we can't give them a short field.

If we force a turnover or two, this could be a very good game for the Jets.

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Title should say Giants suck; Jets will suck on Monday. I was a little annoyed when the Chiefs snagged Alex Smith for relatively little bc as a Jets fan he would have been a significant upgrade over one of the bottom 3 worst QB situations in the league. He is now leading KC's great D to a 5-0 record. He would have likely done this for the Jets and their amazing D. Perhaps if he had "character concerns" and was a potential locker room cancer then and only then would the Jets have attempted to get him. We could have snagged Smith, Smith, and still had the same first round.

But as annoyed as I may be I have to think the Jags fans are even more annoyed

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When the Giants won,they led the NFL in sacks. One of those guys is in Atlanta. Age and injuries to the other guys. Its pro sports. They need to rebuild or retool. None of these teams ever use the term "rebuild". I am not a Giant fan but they need another running back and a new offensive line. Another tight end. They need help at linebacker. Reese hasn't been able to figure out the linebackers. Paul Schwartz of the Post wrote about it a few days ago. The Giants used to be linebacker U with LT,Carson,Banks,Reasons and Pepper Johnson. I remember my older cousins being huge Brad Van Pelt fans. The Giants secondary needs an overhaul. Is 67 year old Tom Coughlin the guy to coach a rebuilding team? Its hard to find those pieces in free agency.
You don't say.

Reese signs other teams cast-offs, to form his LB core.

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Title should say Giants suck; Jets will suck on Monday. I was a little annoyed when the Chiefs snagged Alex Smith for relatively little bc as a Jets fan he would have been a significant upgrade over one of the bottom 3 worst QB situations in the league. He is now leading KC's great D to a 5-0 record. He would have likely done this for the Jets and their amazing D. Perhaps if he had "character concerns" and was a potential locker room cancer then and only then would the Jets have attempted to get him. We could have snagged Smith, Smith, and still had the same first round.

But as annoyed as I may be I have to think the Jags fans are even more annoyed
The Niners got a 2013 2nd and 2014 2nd (unless the Chiefs finish under 8-8, which looks unlikely). That was a lot to give up for a QB that has been awful for the majority of his career only to come into his own on an extremely talented team.

I'm happy where we are.

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You don't say.

Reese signs other teams cast-offs, to form his LB core.
It's clear the Giants don't value the LB position. And in their system, I'm not sure they're wrong.

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It's clear the Giants don't value the LB position. And in their system, I'm not sure they're wrong.
You do need it though. It's why they haven't been able to stop TEs for years. Also, when it comes to running QBs, it helps.

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You do need it though. It's why they haven't been able to stop TEs for years. Also, when it comes to running QBs, it helps.
Or stopping the run. Or stopping screens out of the backfield.

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Or stopping the run. Or stopping screens out of the backfield.
That too. Reese just needs to get a clue.

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That too. Reese just needs to get a clue.
Boy are we spoiled. Two Super Bowls yet the GM needs to get a clue.

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The linebacker position has changed. Now they have to cover the tight end which runs like a wide receiver. Jimmy Graham of the Saints is a nightmare to cover. The Pats tights were impossible to defend before Gronk couldn't stay healthy and Hernandez forgot he was a football player. The Jets need to give Geno some weapons. A big tight end and a receiver for starters. 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Stop using all of the top picks on defense.

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Boy are we spoiled. Two Super Bowls yet the GM needs to get a clue.
Seriously spoiled. Like Yankee fan territory

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As long as Kellen Winslow doesn't touch the ball tonight I'll be happy, I'm up 18.5, really glad I benched Kap for Pryor this week, the Raiders strategy is a good one.

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Gonna do some research here just for myself, but figured I'd share the results I find.

Giants drafts since 2009:

'09: Nicks, Clint Sintim (LB), Will Beatty (T), Barden, Beckam, Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar (QB), DeAndre Wright (CB), Stoney Woodson (CB).

A good draft, for the most part. Four of the 7 players drafted have become big parts of the Giants. Two receivers, a OLineman (despite Beatty's struggles) and Andre Brown. Beckam wasn't too terrible either.

'10: JPP, Linval Joseph, Phillip Dillard (LB), Mitch Petrus (G), Adrian Tracy (LB), Matt Dodge (LOL)

After JPP and Joseph - oh my God, terrible. Interestingly enough, Tracy was drafted as a LBer. And I'll say this about Matt Dodge, that dude could kick like a mule but was so ****ing inconsistent. I'm happy Weatherford made it work with the G-men.

'11: Prince, Marvin Austin, Jernigan, James Brewer (T), Greg Jones (LB), Tyler Sash, Jaiquan Williams (LB), Da'Rel Scott (RB)

Outside of Prince and Jernigan....... Williams has yet to develop into much.

'12: Wilson, Randle, Hosley, Adrien Robinson, Brandon Mosley (T), Matt McCants (T), Marcus Kuhn (DT)

Seeing a trend yet?

'13: Pugh (trend breaker), John Hankins, Damontre Moore, Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman, Michael Cox

Outside of Pugh, it's obvious that Reese and the Giants FO do not put a huge emphasis on drafting LBers or O-Line in the top rounds of the draft. I mean, they didn't even pick a linebacker at all in the draft this year! Seemingly, when it comes to drafting OL and LB they shoot for the projects in the later rounds, when it may be time to make a more sure thing in the top round.

I don't think it's too early to analyze some of these drafts. The '12 and '13 drafts can definitely take more time before we start looking back on them and analyzing. Who knows what will happen. I mean, if D. Wilson for some reason never pans out as an NFL running back (knock on wood), that '12 draft is a joke besides Randle.

In my (not so expert) opinion, it's time to switch focus. Go for the OL and LB in high rounds, and go for high risk/high reward types for dynamic positions later in the draft.

I'll maintain that the Giants do have way more holes than OL and LB needs, but drafting at those two positions is a start in the right direction to turn it around.

Draft Clowney, trade JPP for a top linebacker (is that possible? is that even worth it?), run train with a tandem of Clowney, Kiwanuka, and Moore. I love the guys in the middle of the D-line.

This is going off on a tangent now, so I'll just stop.

The point of this post was to show though, that when Giants fans say the FO needs to change their way of thinking, it's in similar terms to these. I think I speak for most, if not all, Giants fans when I say we are quite satisfied with two super bowl wins since 2008

tl;dr - DRAFT MORE LBers and OL IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS OF THE DRAFT!

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